An electronic all that "Sounds Right"?
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FOXPRO
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Dan,
That doesn't surprise me at all that you would say that. Now, how about some factual information for your decision? Most here already know your disgust with FOXPRO and bringing out new calls (I will never forget that post). You have made that abundantly clear. Not a good enough reason, however, to say that it is a better unit.
I am not here to bust on people that have WT's, Dan. The point is the way that you do it. You make custom guns, right? I would think you would have a better understanding of offering people the best equipment that money can buy. But obviously, that only counts in custom guns, and not in e-calls. We will always continue to bring out new and better products as technology improves. It seems that you actually try to deter people away from buying a FOXPRO because of the advancements that we have made. Seems kind of frivolous. Have you ever heard one of the Prairie Blasters or an FX series or Scorpion with a large speaker connected? If not, then your statement does not hold much merit.
WT sounds are of equal or lower quality (yes, it's true), made and designed overseas (FOXPRO's are made in the USA), warranty is 3 years less, and you can not put in any other sounds than his (at a cost of 33.00 per sound, it can get pretty expensive in a hurry).
That doesn't surprise me at all that you would say that. Now, how about some factual information for your decision? Most here already know your disgust with FOXPRO and bringing out new calls (I will never forget that post). You have made that abundantly clear. Not a good enough reason, however, to say that it is a better unit.
I am not here to bust on people that have WT's, Dan. The point is the way that you do it. You make custom guns, right? I would think you would have a better understanding of offering people the best equipment that money can buy. But obviously, that only counts in custom guns, and not in e-calls. We will always continue to bring out new and better products as technology improves. It seems that you actually try to deter people away from buying a FOXPRO because of the advancements that we have made. Seems kind of frivolous. Have you ever heard one of the Prairie Blasters or an FX series or Scorpion with a large speaker connected? If not, then your statement does not hold much merit.
WT sounds are of equal or lower quality (yes, it's true), made and designed overseas (FOXPRO's are made in the USA), warranty is 3 years less, and you can not put in any other sounds than his (at a cost of 33.00 per sound, it can get pretty expensive in a hurry).
kshuntercb
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Foxpro rocks!! That's all I have to say about that.
I own an FX-3 and just ordered a Scorpion. I don't mind paying the price for TOP quality products I know will last, and customer service I can count on. If you REALLY look at the different calls out there...FoxPro is the best. I have been very pleased with mine. I will never hesitate to recommend FoxPro.
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Dan,
Now, how about some factual information for your decision?
Mike, your comment is what annoys me about PredatorMasters. Note, not so much about FP because I'm sure it is a good product, and since you own the company I admire the feisty way you root for your product and sell it. But every time I even consider picking up a FoxPro somebody on this site aggravates the notion right out of me.
Why is it that only the buyers of non-FoxPro products need to back up their decison with facts? Why are FP owners exempt on PredatorMasters?
If you go through this thread, how many Foxpro boosters gave ANY factual info to back up their cheerleading? "FoxPro rocks!" (That one is heavy on factual technical info! But it is a good customer quote you can use.) "FoxPro is the best." (That poster at least mentioned customer service as a somewhat non-subjective factor in why he thinks it is best.)
On this thread the count is 6 who boost FoxPro and 7 who recommend other brands. Of the 6 FoxPro boosters, 2 are Field Reps and one is the owner of the company! Those 3 have every right to post but I regard their posts as I would any salesman.
Those mentioning other brands tend to give more info than the FP people. They also expect to get flak for praising anything other than FP. I'd expect that on FoxPro's site, but here? At a neutral predator hunting forum? It ain't neutral by a long ways when when non-FP owners duck when they hit the submit button.
Dillon and PredatorMasters may like driving the steamroller but I don't like being steamrolled.
What irritates many of us who post here is the one sided cheerleading for FP and bashing of any other product or anyone who uses any other product. PredatorMasters is NOT a neutral site, but strongly biased toward FoxPro, not just in post numbers, but in the stance of the PredatorMasters organization.
I think that's unhealthy, but those who run this site obviously disagree with me. The mods tend to hover over any discussion of e-callers and pounce on any post that might reflect badly on FP, praise another unit without mentioning similar FP features, or have erroneous info about FP. They do not protect any other product with the same zeal. Any unbiased search of the archives will bear this out.
Now that I have posted this I imagine a flood of FP cheerleaders will post to pad the numbers. FP sales exceed the other products, (with all of the advertising they should), and it is normal to have more FP owners post.
I will make a prediction: if FoxPro is able to establish a monopoly as the only e-caller on the market, prices will skyrocket and innovation will stagnate. If I was Mike Dillon, I'd like that. If I got perks or a job from FoxPro, I'd like that if the perks continued. If I'm a hunter who just wants to buy and use an e-caller...
Dan,
Now, how about some factual information for your decision?
Mike, your comment is what annoys me about PredatorMasters. Note, not so much about FP because I'm sure it is a good product, and since you own the company I admire the feisty way you root for your product and sell it. But every time I even consider picking up a FoxPro somebody on this site aggravates the notion right out of me.
Why is it that only the buyers of non-FoxPro products need to back up their decison with facts? Why are FP owners exempt on PredatorMasters?
If you go through this thread, how many Foxpro boosters gave ANY factual info to back up their cheerleading? "FoxPro rocks!" (That one is heavy on factual technical info! But it is a good customer quote you can use.) "FoxPro is the best." (That poster at least mentioned customer service as a somewhat non-subjective factor in why he thinks it is best.)
On this thread the count is 6 who boost FoxPro and 7 who recommend other brands. Of the 6 FoxPro boosters, 2 are Field Reps and one is the owner of the company! Those 3 have every right to post but I regard their posts as I would any salesman.
Those mentioning other brands tend to give more info than the FP people. They also expect to get flak for praising anything other than FP. I'd expect that on FoxPro's site, but here? At a neutral predator hunting forum? It ain't neutral by a long ways when when non-FP owners duck when they hit the submit button.
Dillon and PredatorMasters may like driving the steamroller but I don't like being steamrolled.
What irritates many of us who post here is the one sided cheerleading for FP and bashing of any other product or anyone who uses any other product. PredatorMasters is NOT a neutral site, but strongly biased toward FoxPro, not just in post numbers, but in the stance of the PredatorMasters organization.
I think that's unhealthy, but those who run this site obviously disagree with me. The mods tend to hover over any discussion of e-callers and pounce on any post that might reflect badly on FP, praise another unit without mentioning similar FP features, or have erroneous info about FP. They do not protect any other product with the same zeal. Any unbiased search of the archives will bear this out.
Now that I have posted this I imagine a flood of FP cheerleaders will post to pad the numbers. FP sales exceed the other products, (with all of the advertising they should), and it is normal to have more FP owners post.
I will make a prediction: if FoxPro is able to establish a monopoly as the only e-caller on the market, prices will skyrocket and innovation will stagnate. If I was Mike Dillon, I'd like that. If I got perks or a job from FoxPro, I'd like that if the perks continued. If I'm a hunter who just wants to buy and use an e-caller...
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STUMP49
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I use the Wildlife Technologies KAS 2030.
I have probably heard them all at one time or the other and like the WT best. I also like to use mouth calls as I feel they produce a truer sound than the recorded offerings. I might add, my dog likes the WT sounds better too.
Your mutt wouldn't know the difference between a WT, Minaska or a Foxpro sound, plus I dont think he gives a rats a$$.
As for the foxpro, Minaska or any other company that makes callers I feel they have the right to defend there products and should do so, and have done so here on PM.
Each person has there own reasons for liking the caller they have. You know when all is said and done its how the caller works for the person that has is. If it works its the greatest if not its junk.
We can debate this from now until hell freezes over and everyone will have there own opinion.
So go to the store try them out and pick the one you can afford and sounds good to you. Now all thats left is to go hunting.
I use the Wildlife Technologies KAS 2030.
I have probably heard them all at one time or the other and like the WT best. I also like to use mouth calls as I feel they produce a truer sound than the recorded offerings. I might add, my dog likes the WT sounds better too.
Your mutt wouldn't know the difference between a WT, Minaska or a Foxpro sound, plus I dont think he gives a rats a$$.
As for the foxpro, Minaska or any other company that makes callers I feel they have the right to defend there products and should do so, and have done so here on PM.
Each person has there own reasons for liking the caller they have. You know when all is said and done its how the caller works for the person that has is. If it works its the greatest if not its junk.
We can debate this from now until hell freezes over and everyone will have there own opinion.
So go to the store try them out and pick the one you can afford and sounds good to you. Now all thats left is to go hunting.
snowcamoman
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Gos,
I'll try to chime in here as well and give my 2 cents.
First off, this isn't a battle over which caller is going to work and not work. They'll all work, plain and simple. The choice is what do you expect in a caller and how much do you want to spend? Not only how much do you want to spend now, but how much are you willing to ante up down the road to add more to that caller (if you choose to)?
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The problem as I hear it is the calls just don't "sound right" compared to the real thing.
The new sounds on the market are the real thing. Have you had a chance to hear some of the new high quality sounds on the market lately? If not, call them all up and ask to hear some sounds. Pick the same sounds and listen to them. Ask them how long the sound loops are.
Call Wildlife Technologies (888) 821-4387
Then call up FoxPro and ask to hear their sounds (717) 248-2507
After that, call up Minaska and ask to hear their sounds 402-467-4070
That will give you a basis of what the sounds are like. Remember, guys were killing Coyotes with record players and boom boxes in the past. The quality of sound in the new callers is far superior to those old callers (and easier to use).
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I know from hearing a rabbit taken by a hawk that those wild squalls bring in everything in hearing distance but these recorded calls won't even get a passing crow flock heading my way.
I agree that some sounds won't bring in flocks of birds (ravens in my case), but it doesn't matter because I'm not hunting ravens (illegal). Some sounds just bring in more birds than others. I think certain frequencies really tick off birds and they come to check it out. I've had sounds though that predators come into that birds don't care about, so it's a tossup.
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Some of the tape calls are not much better as they have a short pattern that repeats over and over, and again, just sounds wrong, as in not realistic.
If you do not want short looping sounds, I'd recommend a caller that you can edit your own sounds on. That way you can go through the sounds or record them into your computer and change them to your liking. I edit almost all of my sounds and change the volumes and pauses so that I don't have to press the remote as often. You can download free editing software and edit to your heart's content. FoxPro and Minaska allow you to load your own sounds, WT does not.
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Rather than me listing all the JS Tapes that I don't like, could someone recommend a proven electronic call that really does sound like the universal dinner bell and brings in animals?
There is no "Universal dinner bell". One day something will work and the next something totally different or nothing at all. That's the great thing with the new age digital callers (most of them). You can change them up and make them do what you want and when you want.
Think of how you hunt and what you want. Do you hike a lot and need a lightweight caller? Do you need super volume or average volume? Do you hunt at night? Do you need a remote control decoy? Do you already have sounds to load onto a caller? What has worked in the past? I know there are a lot of questions, but it'll pay to do your homework and figure out exactly what you want. Call and talk to the manufacturers to get a feel for them. Ask them about the competition and compare notes. Check warranties, customer feedback and any other detail that you feel is important.
I'll try to chime in here as well and give my 2 cents.
First off, this isn't a battle over which caller is going to work and not work. They'll all work, plain and simple. The choice is what do you expect in a caller and how much do you want to spend? Not only how much do you want to spend now, but how much are you willing to ante up down the road to add more to that caller (if you choose to)?
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The problem as I hear it is the calls just don't "sound right" compared to the real thing.
The new sounds on the market are the real thing. Have you had a chance to hear some of the new high quality sounds on the market lately? If not, call them all up and ask to hear some sounds. Pick the same sounds and listen to them. Ask them how long the sound loops are.
Call Wildlife Technologies (888) 821-4387
Then call up FoxPro and ask to hear their sounds (717) 248-2507
After that, call up Minaska and ask to hear their sounds 402-467-4070
That will give you a basis of what the sounds are like. Remember, guys were killing Coyotes with record players and boom boxes in the past. The quality of sound in the new callers is far superior to those old callers (and easier to use).
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I know from hearing a rabbit taken by a hawk that those wild squalls bring in everything in hearing distance but these recorded calls won't even get a passing crow flock heading my way.
I agree that some sounds won't bring in flocks of birds (ravens in my case), but it doesn't matter because I'm not hunting ravens (illegal). Some sounds just bring in more birds than others. I think certain frequencies really tick off birds and they come to check it out. I've had sounds though that predators come into that birds don't care about, so it's a tossup.
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Some of the tape calls are not much better as they have a short pattern that repeats over and over, and again, just sounds wrong, as in not realistic.
If you do not want short looping sounds, I'd recommend a caller that you can edit your own sounds on. That way you can go through the sounds or record them into your computer and change them to your liking. I edit almost all of my sounds and change the volumes and pauses so that I don't have to press the remote as often. You can download free editing software and edit to your heart's content. FoxPro and Minaska allow you to load your own sounds, WT does not.
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Rather than me listing all the JS Tapes that I don't like, could someone recommend a proven electronic call that really does sound like the universal dinner bell and brings in animals?
There is no "Universal dinner bell". One day something will work and the next something totally different or nothing at all. That's the great thing with the new age digital callers (most of them). You can change them up and make them do what you want and when you want.
Think of how you hunt and what you want. Do you hike a lot and need a lightweight caller? Do you need super volume or average volume? Do you hunt at night? Do you need a remote control decoy? Do you already have sounds to load onto a caller? What has worked in the past? I know there are a lot of questions, but it'll pay to do your homework and figure out exactly what you want. Call and talk to the manufacturers to get a feel for them. Ask them about the competition and compare notes. Check warranties, customer feedback and any other detail that you feel is important.
FOXPRO
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okanagan,
If you took my post the wrong way, then I apologize. You see, Dan Carey is a paid advertiser, just as I am, and paid to play, just as I have. He himself has made it obvious to everyone his problems with FOXPRO and technology. I have no problems with his stance on that subject. What I do have a problem with is that he does what he can to steer people away from us because of that stance, and gives a lot of misinformation on the subject. Alot of people are misinformed on the subject of sounds and sound quality, and have no true understanding of what quality is. They just know that people say they are high quality because they heard that. There are so many ecall companies out there that give erronous information on the subject. I can tell you that we don't, and will stand up to any of the rhetoric out there, and prove our stance. Not just heresay, but actual facts. We have done this for MANY years now. We could actually discredit alot more some of the information given by other companies, but choose not to.
As far as your opinion about PM, man you are WAY off base. I get tired of hearing that. Do you know why people choose our product here? Do you know how many years I have been on this site answering questions, resolving problems, etc? People see the way that we take care of our customers and actually care about our product. That is what keeps it going. If you feel that PM is doing us a favor, please explain how. We have done it ourselves by doing the right thing, and we have EARNED our customers by the way in which we take care of them. If you only knew what some of the other companies have done behind the scenes to egg people on to bicker about us. I also have no time for that. It's shameless. Some people need to grow up. I can promise you that I have never stooped to that level, and never will. I will continue to earn our customers, one at a time, whether it be by answering questions, explaining some of the rhetoric, adding new features, products, etc. If you don't like that, then I'm sorry, but I am not going to stop doing what I have always done.
As far as moderators go, I can promise you that just the opposite of what you said is true. They let our posts go alot longer than any others. That is because I can handle them myself, and in a professional manner. Please show me one example of what you are claiming?
And if you think that I am the type of person looking for a monopoly, only to skyrocket the prices, then obviously you have not paid any attention to my posts. That is not my style either. I do everything I can to ensure people get what they want in an ecall. Do I want everyone to own a FOXPRO--sure I do. But, I realize that it will never happen, so I will just continue on, one customer at a time.
Sorry Okanagan, but I think that your post was made on a lot of assumptions on your part.
If you took my post the wrong way, then I apologize. You see, Dan Carey is a paid advertiser, just as I am, and paid to play, just as I have. He himself has made it obvious to everyone his problems with FOXPRO and technology. I have no problems with his stance on that subject. What I do have a problem with is that he does what he can to steer people away from us because of that stance, and gives a lot of misinformation on the subject. Alot of people are misinformed on the subject of sounds and sound quality, and have no true understanding of what quality is. They just know that people say they are high quality because they heard that. There are so many ecall companies out there that give erronous information on the subject. I can tell you that we don't, and will stand up to any of the rhetoric out there, and prove our stance. Not just heresay, but actual facts. We have done this for MANY years now. We could actually discredit alot more some of the information given by other companies, but choose not to.
As far as your opinion about PM, man you are WAY off base. I get tired of hearing that. Do you know why people choose our product here? Do you know how many years I have been on this site answering questions, resolving problems, etc? People see the way that we take care of our customers and actually care about our product. That is what keeps it going. If you feel that PM is doing us a favor, please explain how. We have done it ourselves by doing the right thing, and we have EARNED our customers by the way in which we take care of them. If you only knew what some of the other companies have done behind the scenes to egg people on to bicker about us. I also have no time for that. It's shameless. Some people need to grow up. I can promise you that I have never stooped to that level, and never will. I will continue to earn our customers, one at a time, whether it be by answering questions, explaining some of the rhetoric, adding new features, products, etc. If you don't like that, then I'm sorry, but I am not going to stop doing what I have always done.
As far as moderators go, I can promise you that just the opposite of what you said is true. They let our posts go alot longer than any others. That is because I can handle them myself, and in a professional manner. Please show me one example of what you are claiming?
And if you think that I am the type of person looking for a monopoly, only to skyrocket the prices, then obviously you have not paid any attention to my posts. That is not my style either. I do everything I can to ensure people get what they want in an ecall. Do I want everyone to own a FOXPRO--sure I do. But, I realize that it will never happen, so I will just continue on, one customer at a time.
Sorry Okanagan, but I think that your post was made on a lot of assumptions on your part.
Exceptionally good and even handed post, Snowcamoman, your best one in ages.
There is no "best" caller. Snowcamoman's post makes that pretty clear.
There are several good ones that have different features.
Each of us will have a favorite that is the "best" caller in our opinion, for our use, and that is appropriate. We just need to go easy on pushing our claim of best on other people. Status and peer pressure is one of the factors in "best", as Cadillac and Lexus prove.
Some features appeal to one hunter, such as ease of recording/editing sounds, and other features appeal to others.
If all I wanted to do was call cougars, WT gets the nod without question. YMMV but that's a no brainer in my mind.
If all I wanted to do was call coyotes, I wouldn't even bother to buy an electronic, but would stick with hand calls.
Minaska gets damned by faint praise but they have some of the easiest to use sound managing and remote features of anyone. The side to side motion option on their Sidewinder decoy has some killer uses that no other decoy that I know of can duplicate.
Scorpion gives head to head competition to the nifty M1 Bandit, and should have some improvements since it came out later. The M1 is superb in sound, size and ease of use, and I'd have to try a Scorpion myself to see which one I liked better.
All of them give the caller versatility to call many kinds of animals. I have experimented with sounds for 40 years and call dozens of kinds of critters so I want a unit that is easy and quick to load sounds from all kinds of sources. Most people just use what came on the call so my preference is a minority that doesn't interest many buyers, and should not.
On top of that, each company is improving products at warp speed. Anything you buy will be surpassed by a caller with better features. If you want to hunt with an e-caller, buy one and use it.
And as Snowcamoman says, buy what suits your need and style of hunting based on researching the features rather than fads and ads.
There is no "best" caller. Snowcamoman's post makes that pretty clear.
There are several good ones that have different features.
Each of us will have a favorite that is the "best" caller in our opinion, for our use, and that is appropriate. We just need to go easy on pushing our claim of best on other people. Status and peer pressure is one of the factors in "best", as Cadillac and Lexus prove.
Some features appeal to one hunter, such as ease of recording/editing sounds, and other features appeal to others.
If all I wanted to do was call cougars, WT gets the nod without question. YMMV but that's a no brainer in my mind.
If all I wanted to do was call coyotes, I wouldn't even bother to buy an electronic, but would stick with hand calls.
Minaska gets damned by faint praise but they have some of the easiest to use sound managing and remote features of anyone. The side to side motion option on their Sidewinder decoy has some killer uses that no other decoy that I know of can duplicate.
Scorpion gives head to head competition to the nifty M1 Bandit, and should have some improvements since it came out later. The M1 is superb in sound, size and ease of use, and I'd have to try a Scorpion myself to see which one I liked better.
All of them give the caller versatility to call many kinds of animals. I have experimented with sounds for 40 years and call dozens of kinds of critters so I want a unit that is easy and quick to load sounds from all kinds of sources. Most people just use what came on the call so my preference is a minority that doesn't interest many buyers, and should not.
On top of that, each company is improving products at warp speed. Anything you buy will be surpassed by a caller with better features. If you want to hunt with an e-caller, buy one and use it.
And as Snowcamoman says, buy what suits your need and style of hunting based on researching the features rather than fads and ads.
Mike, thanks for your gracious response. I've been on PM longer than you have if I read the dates right on when we joined.
As to whether PM favors FP unfairly, we will just disagree on our opinions. It would be interesting to test the climate with a wide open comparision of features we like and dislike and opinions about companies. Wanna take a $10 bet on which company's fan club would dominate the name calling put downs, and which side the mods would be on? I don't want to put the energy into it so will withdraw the bet but it would be revealing.
Your customer service has a great rep and you've worked hard to earn that. It's the FP fan club, including some mods here, that does the FP cheerleading and bashing of others. I don't blame you for that but FP benefits from it. My tangles with the mods on this have been offline, not in the archives.
Have a good market year, and a great one personally.
As to whether PM favors FP unfairly, we will just disagree on our opinions. It would be interesting to test the climate with a wide open comparision of features we like and dislike and opinions about companies. Wanna take a $10 bet on which company's fan club would dominate the name calling put downs, and which side the mods would be on? I don't want to put the energy into it so will withdraw the bet but it would be revealing.
Your customer service has a great rep and you've worked hard to earn that. It's the FP fan club, including some mods here, that does the FP cheerleading and bashing of others. I don't blame you for that but FP benefits from it. My tangles with the mods on this have been offline, not in the archives.
Have a good market year, and a great one personally.
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Mike, thanks for your gracious response. I've been on PM longer than you have if I read the dates right on when we joined.
As to whether PM favors FP unfairly, we will just disagree on our opinions. It would be interesting to test the climate with a wide open comparision of features we like and dislike and opinions about companies. Wanna take a $10 bet on which company's fan club would dominate the name calling put downs, and which side the mods would be on? I don't want to put the energy into it so will withdraw the bet but it would be revealing.
Your customer service has a great rep and you've worked hard to earn that. It's the FP fan club, including some mods here, that does the FP cheerleading and bashing of others. I don't blame you for that but FP benefits from it. My tangles with the mods on this have been offline, not in the archives.
Have a good market year, and a great one personally.
I agree. I own a Scorpion and like it. The service I received from FP in the past has been what I would expect from any manufacturer that I purchase products from. I do not have one thing bad to say about FP. The issue I have is the within this forum (probably the worst forum within PM). A compliment on any product other than FP seems to get challenged immediately (or worse - discredited). A good example is on the WT2030 post currently out here. Some members commented on the positive service they receive from WT and another member stated they are wrong. How the hell would another member know what service another person is having? I've seen other posts where some people here vent their frustrations with their recent FP service and the same ol electronic caller forum crowd immediately discredits the poster stating they must be the issue, not FP. Nothing like ripping on a new member and scaring them away from the site and potentially from calling. For whatever reason, members in this forum cannot accept the fact that other people have different tastes and opinions from theirs and are quick to challenge any positive comment on a product they do not like. Again, I like FP products but as a casual reader of the PM forums,the bandwagon cheerleading is pretty bad in here to where I think many people are afraid to post their opinions if it is not FP related (that is unfortunate for that is what this forum was meant to do). CT
Mike, thanks for your gracious response. I've been on PM longer than you have if I read the dates right on when we joined.
As to whether PM favors FP unfairly, we will just disagree on our opinions. It would be interesting to test the climate with a wide open comparision of features we like and dislike and opinions about companies. Wanna take a $10 bet on which company's fan club would dominate the name calling put downs, and which side the mods would be on? I don't want to put the energy into it so will withdraw the bet but it would be revealing.
Your customer service has a great rep and you've worked hard to earn that. It's the FP fan club, including some mods here, that does the FP cheerleading and bashing of others. I don't blame you for that but FP benefits from it. My tangles with the mods on this have been offline, not in the archives.
Have a good market year, and a great one personally.
I agree. I own a Scorpion and like it. The service I received from FP in the past has been what I would expect from any manufacturer that I purchase products from. I do not have one thing bad to say about FP. The issue I have is the within this forum (probably the worst forum within PM). A compliment on any product other than FP seems to get challenged immediately (or worse - discredited). A good example is on the WT2030 post currently out here. Some members commented on the positive service they receive from WT and another member stated they are wrong. How the hell would another member know what service another person is having? I've seen other posts where some people here vent their frustrations with their recent FP service and the same ol electronic caller forum crowd immediately discredits the poster stating they must be the issue, not FP. Nothing like ripping on a new member and scaring them away from the site and potentially from calling. For whatever reason, members in this forum cannot accept the fact that other people have different tastes and opinions from theirs and are quick to challenge any positive comment on a product they do not like. Again, I like FP products but as a casual reader of the PM forums,the bandwagon cheerleading is pretty bad in here to where I think many people are afraid to post their opinions if it is not FP related (that is unfortunate for that is what this forum was meant to do). CT
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What irritates many of us who post here is the one sided cheerleading for FP and bashing of any other product or anyone who uses any other product. PredatorMasters is NOT a neutral site, but strongly biased toward FoxPro, not just in post numbers, but in the stance of the PredatorMasters organization.
I think that's unhealthy, but those who run this site obviously disagree with me. The mods tend to hover over any discussion of e-callers and pounce on any post that might reflect badly on FP, praise another unit without mentioning similar FP features, or have erroneous info about FP. They do not protect any other product with the same zeal. Any unbiased search of the archives will bear this out.
Okanagan, where are all the mods jumping in at? I'm getting real tired of reading the same BS statements. Members, and yes even Mods and Admins have opinions. Are we ALL supposed to keep our opinion to ourselves? Claiming that we protect Foxpro is crazy. All of the sponsors here pay the same fee to be here. Accusing the Mods and Admin of playing favorites is pretty low, but I guess you can make all the false claims you like?
What irritates many of us who post here is the one sided cheerleading for FP and bashing of any other product or anyone who uses any other product. PredatorMasters is NOT a neutral site, but strongly biased toward FoxPro, not just in post numbers, but in the stance of the PredatorMasters organization.
I think that's unhealthy, but those who run this site obviously disagree with me. The mods tend to hover over any discussion of e-callers and pounce on any post that might reflect badly on FP, praise another unit without mentioning similar FP features, or have erroneous info about FP. They do not protect any other product with the same zeal. Any unbiased search of the archives will bear this out.
Okanagan, where are all the mods jumping in at? I'm getting real tired of reading the same BS statements. Members, and yes even Mods and Admins have opinions. Are we ALL supposed to keep our opinion to ourselves? Claiming that we protect Foxpro is crazy. All of the sponsors here pay the same fee to be here. Accusing the Mods and Admin of playing favorites is pretty low, but I guess you can make all the false claims you like?
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I think many people are afraid to post their opinions if it is not FP related
That's IT! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif I'm making a list of ALL Foxpro users and we'll ban ALL Y'ALL! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Well, that would make some folks happy............'course other folks aren't happy if they don't have anything to complain about. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Oh, what to do? What to do? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I think many people are afraid to post their opinions if it is not FP related
That's IT! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif I'm making a list of ALL Foxpro users and we'll ban ALL Y'ALL! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Well, that would make some folks happy............'course other folks aren't happy if they don't have anything to complain about. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Oh, what to do? What to do? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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I think many people are afraid to post their opinions if it is not FP related
That's IT! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif I'm making a list of ALL Foxpro users and we'll ban ALL Y'ALL! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Well, that would make some folks happy............'course other folks aren't happy if they don't have anything to complain about. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Oh, what to do? What to do? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I'm not complaining. I have to admit, reading the elementary cat fights are entertaining at times. I'm waiting for the post on where my caller can beat up your caller. I guess I just need to be more passionate about my caller.
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I think many people are afraid to post their opinions if it is not FP related
That's IT! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif I'm making a list of ALL Foxpro users and we'll ban ALL Y'ALL! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Well, that would make some folks happy............'course other folks aren't happy if they don't have anything to complain about. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Oh, what to do? What to do? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I'm not complaining. I have to admit, reading the elementary cat fights are entertaining at times. I'm waiting for the post on where my caller can beat up your caller. I guess I just need to be more passionate about my caller.
STUMP49
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FOXPRO
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Dan Carey,
Sorry if you were offended by my post. I can tell by your reply that you were. Sometimes, I think you need to sit back in your chair, and really ask yourself if you had it coming. Afterall, you are in a business to sell custom rifles, and I am in a business to sell digital calls, and I am very passionate about it. If you can't accept that, then you can't. But, ask yourself, if I was cutting up on your work, what your response would be. Before you type a reply, make sure that you think about it real hard. I know for a fact (after looking at some of your posts in the firemarms thread), that you are also very passionate in what you do. I will never hide the fact that I take great pride in what we do, and will always be there to take on criticism. I will be the first to admit that sometimes when I post, I may take some criticism. I accept that. But, my intent will not change. I know that our product line and sounds do not deserve the rhetoric, and I take it personally when I feel that someone (esp. another paid advertiser) takes cheap shots. You never post in this thread, unless it has to do with negativity towards FOXPRO, and you know it. All it takes is looking at the history of your posts. If I went over to the firearms thread, and started bashing your work, I know what your response would be. I don't think that it is me that needs to grow up.
Sorry if you were offended by my post. I can tell by your reply that you were. Sometimes, I think you need to sit back in your chair, and really ask yourself if you had it coming. Afterall, you are in a business to sell custom rifles, and I am in a business to sell digital calls, and I am very passionate about it. If you can't accept that, then you can't. But, ask yourself, if I was cutting up on your work, what your response would be. Before you type a reply, make sure that you think about it real hard. I know for a fact (after looking at some of your posts in the firemarms thread), that you are also very passionate in what you do. I will never hide the fact that I take great pride in what we do, and will always be there to take on criticism. I will be the first to admit that sometimes when I post, I may take some criticism. I accept that. But, my intent will not change. I know that our product line and sounds do not deserve the rhetoric, and I take it personally when I feel that someone (esp. another paid advertiser) takes cheap shots. You never post in this thread, unless it has to do with negativity towards FOXPRO, and you know it. All it takes is looking at the history of your posts. If I went over to the firearms thread, and started bashing your work, I know what your response would be. I don't think that it is me that needs to grow up.