An electronic all that "Sounds Right"?

Weasel,
When you posted an ad for FoxPro in response to someone who asked for help in selecting an e-caller, I PM'ed you saying I thought that was inappropriate for a moderator who should at least try to appear neutral and treat all advertised products the same. You deleted the post and replied to me in anger. You were a moderator at the time.

Neither of us has changed his mind since then. I think your conduct was inappropriate and that you are blind to how it appears. You think it is appropriate and unbiased.

Run a check of your own posts in the past day, your responses to people who mention e-callers. If you don't see yourself, no mirror will help.
 
Posted an ad for FoxPro? That's laughable. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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You think it is appropriate and unbiased.




You are a mind reader? How do you know what I think? I made my decision on which ecaller I'd spend my money on after a long period of research. It's no secret and I've never tried to hide the fact that I chose Foxpro. Not only have I seen what everybody else has had to say, I've been privy to some behind the scenes activities of some of the call manufacturers. I've had the opportunity to hunt with nearly every ecaller on the market and field tested others that may or may not have ever made it to market. Shouldn't I share my experience with folks that ask? Just because I'm a moderator doesn't mean I don't have an opinion. The area where I must remain unbiased is the direction threads take on this board. No more, no less. If anything, I and other mods leave Foxpro to stick up for themselves. I've come to the defense of other call makers quicker than I've ever come to the defense of Foxpro. By the way, the Johnny Stewart callers are great too. I plug them on a regular basis, don't I?
 
Mike Dillon:

I find it very interesting you never miss a chance to single me out.

Unlike your product, my custom rifles are usually worth more used than they cost new, and will last a lifetime. My customer service is not an issue, as my product leaves here without flaws, and never needs a costly upgrade or rebuild. However, my workmanship carries a lifetime warranty.

I go out of my way to not bash any PM sponsor, no matter what I personally think of their service or product. But, I have in the past pointed out the obvious, that you build your product with planned obsolescence.

I don't build custom rifles for the money, I build them because I want to. I'm retired form the transportation industry. Yep, you guessed it, I owned the company.

I remember telling you once before, I won't be dragged into a P**ing match with you about E-callers, nothing has changed.

You have had your say and I've had mine. This is the end of this childish exchange, on mine part anyway. I don't totally dislike your product. But, I'm sure you can change that with your eagerness to address me every time I post in your personal forum.

If you should have the need for the most accurate varmint rifle available, and one that will last you a lifetime.
Give me a call.
 
Dan,

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My customer service is not an issue, as my product leaves here without flaws, and never needs a costly upgrade or rebuild. However, my workmanship carries a lifetime warranty.




That is interesting. How many custom rifles do you sell in a year? Now, compare that with the number of units we build in about 15 minutes. We are dealing with the world of electronics, which is completetly different than the world of firearms. Technology changes more in a month in electronics that it has in 100+ years in firearms. We certainly don't build with a planned obsolescence. That is a completely obsurd statement to even make, Dan. As newer technology becomes available, you can be sure that we will keep up with it, and introduce it into newer products.
 
I heard most of your components were made in China, that should help in the build time.

You can't compare a custom rifle to an electronic toy.
 
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Mike Dillon:

I find it very interesting you never miss a chance to single me out.
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QUIT OPENING THE DOOR.


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Unlike your product, my custom rifles are usually worth more used than they cost new, and will last a lifetime. My customer service is not an issue, as my product leaves here without flaws, and never needs a costly upgrade or rebuild. However, my workmanship carries a lifetime warranty.
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SORRY BUT THERE IS NOTHING PERFECT IN THIS WORLD SO THERE ARE FLAWS.

HOW CAN YOU COMPARE A RIFLE TO A E-CALLER, THATS LIKE COMPARING A TANK TO A FORD.



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I go out of my way to not bash any PM sponsor, no matter what I personally think of their service or product. But, I have in the past pointed out the obvious, that you build your product with planned obsolescence.
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ELECTRONICS ARE THE QUICKEST THINGS TO GO OBSOLETE.
YOU CAN BUY A COMPUTER TODAY AND BUY A BETTER ONE TOMORROW.
SAME AS FOR A TVs, STEREOs AND FISH FINDERS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, SO E-CALLERS ARE NO DIFFERENT.

ARE YOU READING WHAT YOUR SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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I don't build custom rifles for the money, I build them because I want to. I'm retired form the transportation industry. Yep, you guessed it, I owned the company.

I remember telling you once before, I won't be dragged into a P**ing match with you about E-callers, nothing has changed.

You have had your say and I've had mine. This is the end of this childish exchange, on mine part anyway. I don't totally dislike your product. But, I'm sure you can change that with your eagerness to address me every time I post in your personal forum.
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KEEP THE DOOR SHUT. QUIT STIRRING THE POT.



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If you should have the need for the most accurate varmint rifle available, and one that will last you a lifetime.
Give me a call.


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YES FOR THE MOST PART A RIFLE WILL LAST A LIFE TIME.
NOW THERE ARE SOME IT WILL NOT, THEY WILL SHOOT THE BARRELS OUT.

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No I am not sticking up for Mike Dillon he can take care of himself. I just want to show you how you sound to others like me on this board.

I would probably have to say you both make a good product, but they are entirely diffrent so you cant compare them.

Lets call it a day and go hunting................
 
No I am not sticking up for Mike Dillon he can take care of himself. I just want to show you how you sound to others like me on this board.





Fair enough. And here's how you sound:

You are sticking up for Mike in spite of the facts. Mike started the accusations, yet you blame Dan if he responds. Why do you diss Dan and give Mike a pass?

Dan's orignial post said he uses a WT because it sounds best to him and his dog, and did not say anything about any other product. Mike jumped Dan and accused him of putting down FP and steering customers away. There was no trace of that in Dan's post.

But according to your rules, Mike gets to whack away and Dan is to be silent because if he speaks, he's opening the door to argument.

Your post is typical of FP boosters on PM: defend FP right or wrong and bash anyone who doesn't cheer for FP. It is a double standard. You guys keep proving that.

Let them duke it out if they want, but keep the field level. If you want to put a muzzle on somebody, put it on both of them.
 
Okanagan

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SORRY BUT THERE IS NOTHING PERFECT IN THIS WORLD SO THERE ARE FLAWS.HOW CAN YOU COMPARE A RIFLE TO A E-CALLER, THATS LIKE COMPARING A TANK TO A FORD.



Are you saying Ford is crap /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif Mine came with a remote that has a range of 25 yards and fits on my key ring.
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1grecook
Oh no just that my tank is better than your ford. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif My tank came with a laser and range finder and a big gun, all the better to hunt with. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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1grecook
Oh no just that my tank is better than your ford. My tank came with a laser and range finder and a big gun, all the better to hunt with.




Ok, you got me there! But my FoxP....oh...better not go there /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I know a new year has just began, but I'd like to nominate this thread as the most Totally Useless of 2008. I truly see everyone's point, what I fail to see, is the POINT of the thread overall. There is not one bit of useful information here that would benefit anyone at all, newbie or experienced caller.
Absolutely no offense toward the OP but they stated "The problem as I hear it is the calls just don't "sound right" compared to the real thing." The reality is, that it makes NO DIFFERENCE what it sounds like to US, it's the predator's opinions that matter. I can remember calling fox back in the late 70's with a jensen speaker attached by a coil of speaker wire plugged into an old fashioned push-button cassette player. The best part is, the tapes were recorded on the same player, direct from vinyl records, you kids remember them?, complete with scratching and popping. Called lots of fox with that set-up until I graduated to a JS512.
My point is, only that so many newbies come looking for the "best sounds available" as being the most important part of some mysterious puzzle,when the reality imo is that other basics, like set-ups,approach and the perservearence to keep making new stands, are so much more important than what sound you make. While "the sound" plays a more important part in howling,when it comes to distress sounds some seem to forget that we're dealing with a small carnivore with an egg-sized brain. If he hears you, and you trigger his hunger, curiosity or territorial response, he's coming to you,plain and simple. They lack the cognitive thought process that allow them to put a huge amount of thought into what's making the sound,or whether it's real or not. Now before anyone jumps on me with the old "oh I have smart ones lock-up on me way out there while they think it over", I'd have to disagree. You may have a few now and then that have been shot at or busted other hunters before,even learned a little,but before anyone wants to award them with an inate sense of reasoning, might I suggest that cautious responses are not at all unusual among species, and even varies among individuals.It's a survival instinct within a species that has many enemies.
I'm hardly the most successful caller out there, but I'm pretty sure that a "mediochre sound" in the hands of an exceptional hunter will bring more success than the most expensive caller out there,in the hands of someone that doesn't put much thought into following the basics.
 


Ok, you got me there! But my FoxP....oh...better not go there /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif




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"SORRY BUT THERE IS NOTHING PERFECT IN THIS WORLD SO THERE ARE FLAWS.HOW CAN YOU COMPARE A RIFLE TO A E-CALLER, THATS LIKE COMPARING A TANK TO A FORD."
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Old man Cronk is probably the only "perfect" thing around. He "thought" that he was wrong once, but turned out that he was only mistaken. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Mick,
I agree... coyotes, predators in general and animals lack the thought process to define what is "real" or if it is a sound being looped every 5, 10, or 30 seconds... either it sounds like something to them that will trigger a response, or ..... it don't. The "quality" of a sound or how perfect it sounds to "US" makes no difference.... if that actually mattered then every one here who makes calls would strive to have every cotton-tail sound the same... just a thought
 
Now this thread has gone totally down the tubes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif Mick goes and posts useful information on it, effectively taking it from a contender for the most useless thread of 2008 to one that probably won't make the final cut. I have faith that a thread much more worthless than this one will be posted. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif Well, now that the cat is out of the bag, I'll agree with him. My old cassette player sounded like CRAP! Honestly, it sounded like a real bad handcaller calling from inside a tin can and scattering gravel while he did it. Thing was, it work and worked well. Predators have been called in by rubbing Styrofoam on a piece of glass. They've also been called in with a balloon that had the neck stretched while the air was escaping. The animals care less about the sound than the hunters do. You'll hear people claim that animals won't respond to anything other than "real" animal sounds. BS! Why do they respond to a squeaker bulb or a mouth blown call then? New folks tend to make predator calling much harder than it needs to be. Every new guy wants more volume, more range, real animal sounds, etc. The call manufacturers give it to you because you "want" it, not because it's needed to call predators. That said, it sure is nice being able to get the sound away from you and not having to wind and unwind wire. The new callers are so convenient (except WT) to load and change sounds on that I'm glad the call manufacturers have responded to the wants of people. The realistic, clear sounds are great for scaring the crap out of my wife, but not necessary to call animals. The new callers are smaller and lighter too. The great sounds that we have available is just a freebie as far as I'm concerned.
Oh, and Rich also let the cat out of the bag. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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The new callers are so convenient (except WT) to load and change sounds on that I'm glad the call manufacturers have responded to the wants of people.



Your bias is showing through. Think about HS,Burnham,Preymaster etc. etc....
 
BIAS? Please show me how a person can add or change his own sounds on a WT. Can I just switch sound cards? NO! Let me clarify. I thought we were talking about the big three.
 
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