An electronic all that "Sounds Right"?

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BIAS? Please show me how a person can add or change his own sounds on a WT. Can I just switch sound cards? NO! Let me clarify. I thought we were talking about the big three.



Buy another WT.

FX3, FX5, and scorpion... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 


You probably feel like the weight of the world has been lifted off your shoulders. I'd shut it down, but the cry babies will say it was done to protect Foxpro.



Weas

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I did that in the past and got jumped on for it. I shut another one down when folks were slaming Buckley (Loud mouth calls). I guess in those days we weren't protecting Foxpro or something? You're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
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It looks like its dead. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

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Absolutely no offense toward the OP but they stated "The problem as I hear it is the calls just don't "sound right" compared to the real thing." The reality is, that it makes NO DIFFERENCE what it sounds like to US, it's the predator's opinions that matter. I can remember calling fox back in the late 70's with a jensen speaker attached by a coil of speaker wire plugged into an old fashioned push-button cassette player. The best part is, the tapes were recorded on the same player, direct from vinyl records, you kids remember them?, complete with scratching and popping. Called lots of fox with that set-up until I graduated to a JS512.
My point is, only that so many newbies come looking for the "best sounds available" as being the most important part of some mysterious puzzle,when the reality imo is that other basics, like set-ups,approach and the perservearence to keep making new stands, are so much more important than what sound you make. While "the sound" plays a more important part in howling,when it comes to distress sounds some seem to forget that we're dealing with a small carnivore with an egg-sized brain. If he hears you, and you trigger his hunger, curiosity or territorial response, he's coming to you,plain and simple. They lack the cognitive thought process that allow them to put a huge amount of thought into what's making the sound,or whether it's real or not. Now before anyone jumps on me with the old "oh I have smart ones lock-up on me way out there while they think it over", I'd have to disagree. You may have a few now and then that have been shot at or busted other hunters before,even learned a little,but before anyone wants to award them with an inate sense of reasoning, might I suggest that cautious responses are not at all unusual among species, and even varies among individuals.It's a survival instinct within a species that has many enemies.
I'm hardly the most successful caller out there, but I'm pretty sure that a "mediochre sound" in the hands of an exceptional hunter will bring more success than the most expensive caller out there,in the hands of someone that doesn't put much thought into following the basics.



Very well said.
 
Mickthetaxidermist
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif You may as well have another beer or six, nothing else going on here, may have to join you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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Y'all wanna talk about custom rifles now??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif



Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

All my guns are custom. They were built by a manufactor I brought them and now they are custom to me.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
When a Stevens out of the box will Shoot As well or Better than a "Custom Rifle" ... WHY Waste the money ? It's obvious that if people were not foolishly spending $ on So Called Custom guns, they could "Come to the dark Side" and buy Quality E-callers... then threads like this would not exist, Jealousy would subside and we could go back to bashing people for hunting Canis Latrans (Politically correct name) with .17 HMR's

This thread is nothing more than a Useless pissing contest. Foxpro Owns 80 % or more of the market for Quality callers. Profits from this have allowed more R&D, and advancements in E-caller technology. I LOVE the fact there is Fierce competition between the "Big 3" call makers, it's great for the consumers... Hell, we have Wireless callers almost the size Cell Phones were 10 years ago... that Sound Great ! My hats off to FoxPro, Minaska and WT for pushing the limits. Lets see who will be the First one to offer me a Scorpion / M1 size Decoy I can control with the Aux port... I seen a pic of one with a Cardinal on top, so I know it's Do-Able.... I'm Ready to Test it ! ~Ace~
 
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Profits from this have allowed more R&D, and advancements in E-caller technology. I LOVE the fact there is Fierce competition between the "Big 3" call makers, it's great for the consumers... My hats off to FoxPro, Minaska and WT for pushing the limits.



Now if none of these companies didnt use all the new technology how long would they stay in busness.
Really where would FoxPro, Minaska and WT be. Maybe thats why they are the top three technology, and they know how to use it.

Dan Carey said this of Mike Dillon
But, I have in the past pointed out the obvious, that you build your product with planned obsolescence.

How stupid is this. If you dont advance with technology you will be left behind. All companies want to stay on top no one wants to be last.

What AceHandler said
I LOVE the fact there is Fierce competition between the "Big 3" call makers, it's great for the consumers...

Each caller is different and you have to buy what meets your needs....

Instead of people getting on here and asking what caller should I buy they should be asking themselves what caller will meet my needs. You are the only person that can answer that question. What works for me may not work for you. You should go to the store and look them over and play with them, then do your home work by reading posts on e-callers then make your own decission. If you do that we wont have run away post like this one....

So do your home work and buy whats good for you.
Have a great day and good hunting.
 
If you do that we wont have run away post like this one....
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif So you wanna ruin it for the rest of us now huh??

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If you do that we wont have run away post like this one....
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif So you wanna ruin it for the rest of us now huh??

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Some one has to, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif but I am not foolish enough to do that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Like riding a dead horse in a race. You cant win /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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BIAS? Please show me how a person can add or change his own sounds on a WT. Can I just switch sound cards? NO! Let me clarify. I thought we were talking about the big three.



Whew, Now I'm back on track. Big 3 = Foxpro, Minaska and JS to me.

I'm not sorry to say that I own a Foxpro. It has a couple of problems that need fixed, but it doesn't let me down. As soon as season is over I will send it in for the fx5 "upgrade".

From a consumer standpoint, when I was looking at calls in this price range, the WT wasn't even in the running. Ultra $$$, large bulky design, no option for camo, did I mention ultra $$$, and not able to add sounds on the fly. How much sense does it make to have to send in a caller all the time to change a sound these days. Every other caller has this feature, why doesn't WT? Free market business will take care of that problem on it's own.

The FX3 wasn't the smallest caller out there, but it gave the 2 speakers for greater calling flexibility, Camo case option and held sounds that I could change. It does what I ask it to and has brought in lots of fur. That is what this sport is all about. Not this mine is bigger than yours crap.

I almost chose the bandit call over the Foxpro. Simply because of the number of sounds it held. Did I need 100 sounds, not really. But how many of us really need one of your guns, or one of Mike's callers? This is a want sport not a need sport. If a company doesn't have what I want, I move on.

I ended up with the Foxpro because of the news that Foxpro was allowing upgrades to the caller to get more sounds and the new remote. That sold me on the FX3's ability for future upgrades. While you call it planned obsolescence, I call it not being wasteful with existing equipment.



Dan, I have no doubt that your guns are very fine indeed. And I would not hesitate to purchase one from you since you are so passionate about the work you do. On that same note, Mike is the same about his family's calls and designs.

As for innovation,
The next thing I would like to see from Foxpro is an integrated decoy, and actually add some sort of light to the call for use getting into and out of an area during dark. I only have so many hands. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

WT is welcome to try for this as well, but I don't see a suggestion box on his website.

As for the mods leaning people towards Foxpro. They should. It keeps this great site open for us to discuss things like this. (And more helpful topics as well). I'm sure you can find posts that lean people towards Dan as well.
 
Gos, Has anyone bothered to welcome you to PM yet? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif Welcome to the outfit buddy! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Have your gathered any useful information from this thread? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif You may have noticed that people that are normally very open minded are quite opinionated when it comes to E-callers, sounds and the companies that make them available. That makes it very difficult for a person seeking information to get any objective feedback. What can a guy do to overcome that? He needs to do as much research on his own as possible. It's nearly impossible to get objective, useful information on any message board. Before I bought my first E-caller I was fortunate enough to be able to hunt over or at least listen to various E-callers. I was able to ask individuals that I trusted questions where I knew ahead of time these people would share the positives as well as the negative features of the various callers and the companies that produce them. You'll find folks that are equally as passionate about their WT, foxpro, Minaska, JS or whatever caller. Why is that? Because they have found a caller that suits them! That's the great secret. You must find a caller that suits you! Hopefully you can hook up with members in your area that have and use the various callers. Once you see and hear them in person and hopefully get to hunt over them you too will choose a caller that you can be passionate about. That will give you the opportunity to jump into these threads with both feet as many of us have done here. Doesn't that sound like fun? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif


 
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