Anyone have a 22 Beast (22-6mm Hagar)
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steve garrett
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it looks like a 22-6.8 that some guys around here have done, typically using a black hole barrel. plan on about 150 fps extra, when loaded equal pressure to the 223, some will chime in and say its more than that. I disagree it comes down to case compacity and the 4:1 rule. the 6x6.8 has been alot more popular that doing a 22 cal. personally I don't think its enough extra over the 223 case to warrant the extra expense. however in a bolt gun things are different your not shooting the volume and your not puking cases 20 feet when you fire the gun. I would consider the 6x6.8 if it was a little faster and the cases were alot less money.
I've shot a 6 WOA for 5 seasons now and it is the best of both worlds. It doesn't move when fired yet somehow kills like a 22-250/243 half breed. It is beyond replacement in my opinion.
If you don't think it's a big improvement over the 223 I need to shoot a coyote in front of you sometime and you'll change your mind. It's a hammer for sure.
Just interested in trying something new and don't want another 6.8 based rifle. I have 500 pieces of Hagar brass so might as well.
If you don't think it's a big improvement over the 223 I need to shoot a coyote in front of you sometime and you'll change your mind. It's a hammer for sure.
Just interested in trying something new and don't want another 6.8 based rifle. I have 500 pieces of Hagar brass so might as well.
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R Johnson
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Originally Posted By: steve garrettit looks like a 22-6.8 that some guys around here have done, typically using a black hole barrel. plan on about 150 fps extra, when loaded equal pressure to the 223, some will chime in and say its more than that. I disagree it comes down to case compacity and the 4:1 rule. the 6x6.8 has been alot more popular that doing a 22 cal. personally I don't think its enough extra over the 223 case to warrant the extra expense. however in a bolt gun things are different your not shooting the volume and your not puking cases 20 feet when you fire the gun. I would consider the 6x6.8 if it was a little faster and the cases were alot less money.
Garret, You should probably go back to school. Your 4 to 1 rule only works when used with similar cases at similar pressure. It won't work when you compare a larger case to a smaller case. If it works the, 22-250 would only be 200 FPS faster than your beloved 223. You also have never shot any of the 6.8 based cartridges. If you had you would praising the merits of them not spewing misinformation and hiding behind the old "My Opinion" guise.
Another thing, why would you want to load down to 55,000 PSI like you do with your 223? The 6.8 platform and case is rated to run at 58,000. So now why shouldn't it way outrun the 223?
Another good one of your so called opinions is ejecting brass. If your gun is PUKING brass 20 feet you probably should find someone to fix it. Apparently it must be broke and you don't know how or can't repair it.
One thing your right about is someone chiming in. It sounds like your trying to instigate an argument about something you have little or no knowledge of. Maybe its time for you to sit back and read, you might learn something.
Garret, You should probably go back to school. Your 4 to 1 rule only works when used with similar cases at similar pressure. It won't work when you compare a larger case to a smaller case. If it works the, 22-250 would only be 200 FPS faster than your beloved 223. You also have never shot any of the 6.8 based cartridges. If you had you would praising the merits of them not spewing misinformation and hiding behind the old "My Opinion" guise.
Another thing, why would you want to load down to 55,000 PSI like you do with your 223? The 6.8 platform and case is rated to run at 58,000. So now why shouldn't it way outrun the 223?
Another good one of your so called opinions is ejecting brass. If your gun is PUKING brass 20 feet you probably should find someone to fix it. Apparently it must be broke and you don't know how or can't repair it.
One thing your right about is someone chiming in. It sounds like your trying to instigate an argument about something you have little or no knowledge of. Maybe its time for you to sit back and read, you might learn something.
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steve garrett
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Originally Posted By: R JohnsonOriginally Posted By: steve garrettit looks like a 22-6.8 that some guys around here have done, typically using a black hole barrel. plan on about 150 fps extra, when loaded equal pressure to the 223, some will chime in and say its more than that. I disagree it comes down to case compacity and the 4:1 rule. the 6x6.8 has been alot more popular that doing a 22 cal. personally I don't think its enough extra over the 223 case to warrant the extra expense. however in a bolt gun things are different your not shooting the volume and your not puking cases 20 feet when you fire the gun. I would consider the 6x6.8 if it was a little faster and the cases were alot less money.
Garret, You should probably go back to school. Your 4 to 1 rule only works when used with similar cases at similar pressure. It won't work when you compare a larger case to a smaller case. If it works the, 22-250 would only be 200 FPS faster than your beloved 223. You also have never shot any of the 6.8 based cartridges. If you had you would praising the merits of them not spewing misinformation and hiding behind the old "My Opinion" guise.
Another thing, why would you want to load down to 55,000 PSI like you do with your 223? The 6.8 platform and case is rated to run at 58,000. So now why shouldn't it way outrun the 223?
Another good one of your so called opinions is ejecting brass. If your gun is PUKING brass 20 feet you probably should find someone to fix it. Apparently it must be broke and you don't know how or can't repair it.
One thing your right about is someone chiming in. It sounds like your trying to instigate an argument about something you have little or no knowledge of. Maybe its time for you to sit back and read, you might learn something.
did someone pee in your cheerios are you having a bad day?? seriously you come here and attack me when I have said nothing to you, who the [beeep] do you think you are?
first of all the 5.56 nato case is rated at what 62kpsi? There is actually load data albeit hard to find that has 5.56 nato loading data available. I load my 223's or should I say I load my 5.56 nato to higher pressures.
YES an ar 15 can puke brass 20 feet away have you ever shot at a gun range and had to chase brass from under benches and other areas. I thought you were some high class AR builder you of all people aught to have had this happpen, or do you just screw parts together and call it good?? dude you attacked me,
this site shows case compacities, http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_case_capacity.htm it lists the 223 case as holding 31.4 grains, the 22-250 case as holding 44.6. The difference is 13.2 grains. The 22-250 case holds roughly 42% more powder. this means it should drive a bullet roughly 10-11% faster than a 223 when loaded to equal pressure. so if you push a 50 grain bullet from a bolt gun 223 at 3500 fps, this means it should achieve about 3850-3900 fps when fired from a 22-250, as you can see this matches up with about how fast you can push a bullet from a 22-250 as well.
you simply can't escape the rules of case compacity and pressure. ritch you want to come on here and attack me personally without ANY provocation what so ever. I am going to give it right back to you with facts and with numbers. I am entitled to my opinion just like everyone else is. the man came on here and asked a question, no one had replied so I gave him my opinion, isn't that what a forum is used for?
Garret, You should probably go back to school. Your 4 to 1 rule only works when used with similar cases at similar pressure. It won't work when you compare a larger case to a smaller case. If it works the, 22-250 would only be 200 FPS faster than your beloved 223. You also have never shot any of the 6.8 based cartridges. If you had you would praising the merits of them not spewing misinformation and hiding behind the old "My Opinion" guise.
Another thing, why would you want to load down to 55,000 PSI like you do with your 223? The 6.8 platform and case is rated to run at 58,000. So now why shouldn't it way outrun the 223?
Another good one of your so called opinions is ejecting brass. If your gun is PUKING brass 20 feet you probably should find someone to fix it. Apparently it must be broke and you don't know how or can't repair it.
One thing your right about is someone chiming in. It sounds like your trying to instigate an argument about something you have little or no knowledge of. Maybe its time for you to sit back and read, you might learn something.
did someone pee in your cheerios are you having a bad day?? seriously you come here and attack me when I have said nothing to you, who the [beeep] do you think you are?
first of all the 5.56 nato case is rated at what 62kpsi? There is actually load data albeit hard to find that has 5.56 nato loading data available. I load my 223's or should I say I load my 5.56 nato to higher pressures.
YES an ar 15 can puke brass 20 feet away have you ever shot at a gun range and had to chase brass from under benches and other areas. I thought you were some high class AR builder you of all people aught to have had this happpen, or do you just screw parts together and call it good?? dude you attacked me,
this site shows case compacities, http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_case_capacity.htm it lists the 223 case as holding 31.4 grains, the 22-250 case as holding 44.6. The difference is 13.2 grains. The 22-250 case holds roughly 42% more powder. this means it should drive a bullet roughly 10-11% faster than a 223 when loaded to equal pressure. so if you push a 50 grain bullet from a bolt gun 223 at 3500 fps, this means it should achieve about 3850-3900 fps when fired from a 22-250, as you can see this matches up with about how fast you can push a bullet from a 22-250 as well.
you simply can't escape the rules of case compacity and pressure. ritch you want to come on here and attack me personally without ANY provocation what so ever. I am going to give it right back to you with facts and with numbers. I am entitled to my opinion just like everyone else is. the man came on here and asked a question, no one had replied so I gave him my opinion, isn't that what a forum is used for?
midwestpredator
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Originally Posted By: steve garrettOriginally Posted By: R JohnsonOriginally Posted By: steve garrettit looks like a 22-6.8 that some guys around here have done, typically using a black hole barrel. plan on about 150 fps extra, when loaded equal pressure to the 223, some will chime in and say its more than that. I disagree it comes down to case compacity and the 4:1 rule. the 6x6.8 has been alot more popular that doing a 22 cal. personally I don't think its enough extra over the 223 case to warrant the extra expense. however in a bolt gun things are different your not shooting the volume and your not puking cases 20 feet when you fire the gun. I would consider the 6x6.8 if it was a little faster and the cases were alot less money.
Garret, You should probably go back to school. Your 4 to 1 rule only works when used with similar cases at similar pressure. It won't work when you compare a larger case to a smaller case. If it works the, 22-250 would only be 200 FPS faster than your beloved 223. You also have never shot any of the 6.8 based cartridges. If you had you would praising the merits of them not spewing misinformation and hiding behind the old "My Opinion" guise.
Another thing, why would you want to load down to 55,000 PSI like you do with your 223? The 6.8 platform and case is rated to run at 58,000. So now why shouldn't it way outrun the 223?
Another good one of your so called opinions is ejecting brass. If your gun is PUKING brass 20 feet you probably should find someone to fix it. Apparently it must be broke and you don't know how or can't repair it.
One thing your right about is someone chiming in. It sounds like your trying to instigate an argument about something you have little or no knowledge of. Maybe its time for you to sit back and read, you might learn something.
did someone pee in your cheerios are you having a bad day?? seriously you come here and attack me when I have said nothing to you, who the [beeep] do you think you are?
first of all the 5.56 nato case is rated at what 62kpsi? There is actually load data albeit hard to find that has 5.56 nato loading data available. I load my 223's or should I say I load my 5.56 nato to higher pressures.
YES an ar 15 can puke brass 20 feet away have you ever shot at a gun range and had to chase brass from under benches and other areas. I thought you were some high class AR builder you of all people aught to have had this happpen, or do you just screw parts together and call it good?? dude you attacked me,
this site shows case compacities, http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_case_capacity.htm it lists the 223 case as holding 31.4 grains, the 22-250 case as holding 44.6. The difference is 13.2 grains. The 22-250 case holds roughly 42% more powder. this means it should drive a bullet roughly 10-11% faster than a 223 when loaded to equal pressure. so if you push a 50 grain bullet from a bolt gun 223 at 3500 fps, this means it should achieve about 3850-3900 fps when fired from a 22-250, as you can see this matches up with about how fast you can push a bullet from a 22-250 as well.
you simply can't escape the rules of case compacity and pressure. ritch you want to come on here and attack me personally without ANY provocation what so ever. I am going to give it right back to you with facts and with numbers. I am entitled to my opinion just like everyone else is. the man came on here and asked a question, no one had replied so I gave him my opinion, isn't that what a forum is used for?
You seem to talk alot about equal pressure this or that. Im curious, how do you know what pressure you are running in your guns? Do you run a strain guage on every barrel?
Garret, You should probably go back to school. Your 4 to 1 rule only works when used with similar cases at similar pressure. It won't work when you compare a larger case to a smaller case. If it works the, 22-250 would only be 200 FPS faster than your beloved 223. You also have never shot any of the 6.8 based cartridges. If you had you would praising the merits of them not spewing misinformation and hiding behind the old "My Opinion" guise.
Another thing, why would you want to load down to 55,000 PSI like you do with your 223? The 6.8 platform and case is rated to run at 58,000. So now why shouldn't it way outrun the 223?
Another good one of your so called opinions is ejecting brass. If your gun is PUKING brass 20 feet you probably should find someone to fix it. Apparently it must be broke and you don't know how or can't repair it.
One thing your right about is someone chiming in. It sounds like your trying to instigate an argument about something you have little or no knowledge of. Maybe its time for you to sit back and read, you might learn something.
did someone pee in your cheerios are you having a bad day?? seriously you come here and attack me when I have said nothing to you, who the [beeep] do you think you are?
first of all the 5.56 nato case is rated at what 62kpsi? There is actually load data albeit hard to find that has 5.56 nato loading data available. I load my 223's or should I say I load my 5.56 nato to higher pressures.
YES an ar 15 can puke brass 20 feet away have you ever shot at a gun range and had to chase brass from under benches and other areas. I thought you were some high class AR builder you of all people aught to have had this happpen, or do you just screw parts together and call it good?? dude you attacked me,
this site shows case compacities, http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_case_capacity.htm it lists the 223 case as holding 31.4 grains, the 22-250 case as holding 44.6. The difference is 13.2 grains. The 22-250 case holds roughly 42% more powder. this means it should drive a bullet roughly 10-11% faster than a 223 when loaded to equal pressure. so if you push a 50 grain bullet from a bolt gun 223 at 3500 fps, this means it should achieve about 3850-3900 fps when fired from a 22-250, as you can see this matches up with about how fast you can push a bullet from a 22-250 as well.
you simply can't escape the rules of case compacity and pressure. ritch you want to come on here and attack me personally without ANY provocation what so ever. I am going to give it right back to you with facts and with numbers. I am entitled to my opinion just like everyone else is. the man came on here and asked a question, no one had replied so I gave him my opinion, isn't that what a forum is used for?
You seem to talk alot about equal pressure this or that. Im curious, how do you know what pressure you are running in your guns? Do you run a strain guage on every barrel?
steve garrett
Well-known member
Originally Posted By: midwestpredatorOriginally Posted By: steve garrettOriginally Posted By: R JohnsonOriginally Posted By: steve garrettit looks like a 22-6.8 that some guys around here have done, typically using a black hole barrel. plan on about 150 fps extra, when loaded equal pressure to the 223, some will chime in and say its more than that. I disagree it comes down to case compacity and the 4:1 rule. the 6x6.8 has been alot more popular that doing a 22 cal. personally I don't think its enough extra over the 223 case to warrant the extra expense. however in a bolt gun things are different your not shooting the volume and your not puking cases 20 feet when you fire the gun. I would consider the 6x6.8 if it was a little faster and the cases were alot less money.
Garret, You should probably go back to school. Your 4 to 1 rule only works when used with similar cases at similar pressure. It won't work when you compare a larger case to a smaller case. If it works the, 22-250 would only be 200 FPS faster than your beloved 223. You also have never shot any of the 6.8 based cartridges. If you had you would praising the merits of them not spewing misinformation and hiding behind the old "My Opinion" guise.
Another thing, why would you want to load down to 55,000 PSI like you do with your 223? The 6.8 platform and case is rated to run at 58,000. So now why shouldn't it way outrun the 223?
Another good one of your so called opinions is ejecting brass. If your gun is PUKING brass 20 feet you probably should find someone to fix it. Apparently it must be broke and you don't know how or can't repair it.
One thing your right about is someone chiming in. It sounds like your trying to instigate an argument about something you have little or no knowledge of. Maybe its time for you to sit back and read, you might learn something.
did someone pee in your cheerios are you having a bad day?? seriously you come here and attack me when I have said nothing to you, who the [beeep] do you think you are?
first of all the 5.56 nato case is rated at what 62kpsi? There is actually load data albeit hard to find that has 5.56 nato loading data available. I load my 223's or should I say I load my 5.56 nato to higher pressures.
YES an ar 15 can puke brass 20 feet away have you ever shot at a gun range and had to chase brass from under benches and other areas. I thought you were some high class AR builder you of all people aught to have had this happpen, or do you just screw parts together and call it good?? dude you attacked me,
this site shows case compacities, http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_case_capacity.htm it lists the 223 case as holding 31.4 grains, the 22-250 case as holding 44.6. The difference is 13.2 grains. The 22-250 case holds roughly 42% more powder. this means it should drive a bullet roughly 10-11% faster than a 223 when loaded to equal pressure. so if you push a 50 grain bullet from a bolt gun 223 at 3500 fps, this means it should achieve about 3850-3900 fps when fired from a 22-250, as you can see this matches up with about how fast you can push a bullet from a 22-250 as well.
you simply can't escape the rules of case compacity and pressure. ritch you want to come on here and attack me personally without ANY provocation what so ever. I am going to give it right back to you with facts and with numbers. I am entitled to my opinion just like everyone else is. the man came on here and asked a question, no one had replied so I gave him my opinion, isn't that what a forum is used for?
You seem to talk alot about equal pressure this or that. Im curious, how do you know what pressure you are running in your guns? Do you run a strain guage on every barrel? you don't, I just watch this as a reloader just like anyone else would. The 4:1 rule is by no means exact, different barrels shoot faster than others. There are also numerous other factors, its just a general rule of thumb. It doesn't help when cases are rated 2 different ways. the 223 being rated for alot less pressure than a 5.56 nato.
another example is the 280 ackley, the regular 280 is rated at lower pressure than a 280 ackley. yet people think they have a 7mm mag when they load up their 280 ackley to max. It not comparing equal pressures and ratings. your not getting an apples to apples comparison.
Garret, You should probably go back to school. Your 4 to 1 rule only works when used with similar cases at similar pressure. It won't work when you compare a larger case to a smaller case. If it works the, 22-250 would only be 200 FPS faster than your beloved 223. You also have never shot any of the 6.8 based cartridges. If you had you would praising the merits of them not spewing misinformation and hiding behind the old "My Opinion" guise.
Another thing, why would you want to load down to 55,000 PSI like you do with your 223? The 6.8 platform and case is rated to run at 58,000. So now why shouldn't it way outrun the 223?
Another good one of your so called opinions is ejecting brass. If your gun is PUKING brass 20 feet you probably should find someone to fix it. Apparently it must be broke and you don't know how or can't repair it.
One thing your right about is someone chiming in. It sounds like your trying to instigate an argument about something you have little or no knowledge of. Maybe its time for you to sit back and read, you might learn something.
did someone pee in your cheerios are you having a bad day?? seriously you come here and attack me when I have said nothing to you, who the [beeep] do you think you are?
first of all the 5.56 nato case is rated at what 62kpsi? There is actually load data albeit hard to find that has 5.56 nato loading data available. I load my 223's or should I say I load my 5.56 nato to higher pressures.
YES an ar 15 can puke brass 20 feet away have you ever shot at a gun range and had to chase brass from under benches and other areas. I thought you were some high class AR builder you of all people aught to have had this happpen, or do you just screw parts together and call it good?? dude you attacked me,
this site shows case compacities, http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_case_capacity.htm it lists the 223 case as holding 31.4 grains, the 22-250 case as holding 44.6. The difference is 13.2 grains. The 22-250 case holds roughly 42% more powder. this means it should drive a bullet roughly 10-11% faster than a 223 when loaded to equal pressure. so if you push a 50 grain bullet from a bolt gun 223 at 3500 fps, this means it should achieve about 3850-3900 fps when fired from a 22-250, as you can see this matches up with about how fast you can push a bullet from a 22-250 as well.
you simply can't escape the rules of case compacity and pressure. ritch you want to come on here and attack me personally without ANY provocation what so ever. I am going to give it right back to you with facts and with numbers. I am entitled to my opinion just like everyone else is. the man came on here and asked a question, no one had replied so I gave him my opinion, isn't that what a forum is used for?
You seem to talk alot about equal pressure this or that. Im curious, how do you know what pressure you are running in your guns? Do you run a strain guage on every barrel? you don't, I just watch this as a reloader just like anyone else would. The 4:1 rule is by no means exact, different barrels shoot faster than others. There are also numerous other factors, its just a general rule of thumb. It doesn't help when cases are rated 2 different ways. the 223 being rated for alot less pressure than a 5.56 nato.
another example is the 280 ackley, the regular 280 is rated at lower pressure than a 280 ackley. yet people think they have a 7mm mag when they load up their 280 ackley to max. It not comparing equal pressures and ratings. your not getting an apples to apples comparison.
midwestpredator
Active member
Originally Posted By: steve garrettyou don't, I just watch this as a reloader just like anyone else would. The 4:1 rule is by no means exact, different barrels shoot faster than others. There are also numerous other factors, its just a general rule of thumb. It doesn't help when cases are rated 2 different ways. the 223 being rated for alot less pressure than a 5.56 nato.
another example is the 280 ackley, the regular 280 is rated at lower pressure than a 280 ackley. yet people think they have a 7mm mag when they load up their 280 ackley to max. It not comparing equal pressures and ratings. your not getting an apples to apples comparison.
You watch what as a reloader? You said earlier that you load your 223 to 556 pressure. How do you know that you are at 62kpsi vs 50 vs 67234kpsi vs 56789kpsi?
You gave the impression earlier that folks run the 6.8 wildcats to a much higher pressure than 223/556 is loaded to and that why they are faster. So how do you know that the given load is at say 65kpsi and the 223 load that is being compared to it is at only 52kpsi?
another example is the 280 ackley, the regular 280 is rated at lower pressure than a 280 ackley. yet people think they have a 7mm mag when they load up their 280 ackley to max. It not comparing equal pressures and ratings. your not getting an apples to apples comparison.
You watch what as a reloader? You said earlier that you load your 223 to 556 pressure. How do you know that you are at 62kpsi vs 50 vs 67234kpsi vs 56789kpsi?
You gave the impression earlier that folks run the 6.8 wildcats to a much higher pressure than 223/556 is loaded to and that why they are faster. So how do you know that the given load is at say 65kpsi and the 223 load that is being compared to it is at only 52kpsi?
steve garrett
Well-known member
the same way the people loading the 6.8 wildcats know when they are at max pressure. do you have an agenda?
beyond that YES I think the reason people see more significant gains with the 6x6.8 or even 22x6.8 when comparing it to say a 6x45 or venilla 223 is they are loading them up full house. Nothing wrong with that thats how I load. That doesn't mean I am anti 6.8 wildcat, heck I might own one one day. in my mind it just means gains may not be what some claim when comparing things on an equal playing field.
beyond that YES I think the reason people see more significant gains with the 6x6.8 or even 22x6.8 when comparing it to say a 6x45 or venilla 223 is they are loading them up full house. Nothing wrong with that thats how I load. That doesn't mean I am anti 6.8 wildcat, heck I might own one one day. in my mind it just means gains may not be what some claim when comparing things on an equal playing field.
midwestpredator
Active member
My only agenda is trying to learn how to tell the exact pressure of my loads or someone elses without the use of pressure testing equipment.
Color me ignorant for a minute and explain to me how you determine your 223 is loaded to 556 max of 62kpsi? How do you know that signs of excessive pressure didnt occur at 55kpsi and not at 62?
Color me ignorant for a minute and explain to me how you determine your 223 is loaded to 556 max of 62kpsi? How do you know that signs of excessive pressure didnt occur at 55kpsi and not at 62?
If I had 500 pieces of Hagar brass and a reamer I'd be doing one up in a Savage just to see how it runs. It is a poor choice in an AR IMHO but for a bolt it has a very nice potential for usage. It is proven at long range and no reason at all that it won't be a hammer.
Greg
Greg
I built a Savage 6x6.8 after selling the 6x6.8 AR15 & went up 2" to 22" on the bolt rig.
I run 55g bullets at a moderate 3568 fps and the 90g nosler HBT at 3105. Tell me that speed is not up to par w/the 243? Looking at 243 dada they are right in the same ballpark for speed.
CZ I have had zero issues with FC/hornady/SSA/ or the R-P brass in use, wondering if you just got some bad stuff?
I was going to built a 22x6.8, but since the 6x6.8 runs those 55s so nicely & very accurately Ive decided to do 2 more 6x6.8 builds instead.
All my 6mm barrels are BHW 1/9" twists.
I run 55g bullets at a moderate 3568 fps and the 90g nosler HBT at 3105. Tell me that speed is not up to par w/the 243? Looking at 243 dada they are right in the same ballpark for speed.
CZ I have had zero issues with FC/hornady/SSA/ or the R-P brass in use, wondering if you just got some bad stuff?
I was going to built a 22x6.8, but since the 6x6.8 runs those 55s so nicely & very accurately Ive decided to do 2 more 6x6.8 builds instead.
All my 6mm barrels are BHW 1/9" twists.
Originally Posted By: AnkenyQuote:It is a poor choice in an AR IMHO.. Speaking of the 22 Beast, right? I have been looking at a 22 Beast upper. Before I spend my money and have regrets, why would the 22 Beast be a bad choice? Also, if I want a fast 22 caliber in an AR 15 what would you suggest.
Yes the Beast. The case is is long it sucks up magazine space. You are running the bullet into the case a bit and loosing slight capacity unless you load long and much of that data I am seeing is at 2.340 or so. Far in excess of the 2.316 of the ASC. Windowing the magazine is fine and I have a couple of those but simple is better at times.
Fast 22 would be the shorter 22X6.8. Velocities published speeds with the light bullets in the Hagar,on 6MMAR, are actually slightly less than the pressure tested loads that are being shot in 22X6.8 and the heavy bullets are so close as to be a wash.
Just my opinion but as I said if I had a reamer handy and a bucket of brass I would build one just to play with but I know I would be going back to the 22X6.8 going in. I like to experiment on stuff just for the fun of it. I've got some 20's that equal and exceed the 204 that really are just an exercise in loading and budget stretching but there I am loading 'em up.
Greg
Yes the Beast. The case is is long it sucks up magazine space. You are running the bullet into the case a bit and loosing slight capacity unless you load long and much of that data I am seeing is at 2.340 or so. Far in excess of the 2.316 of the ASC. Windowing the magazine is fine and I have a couple of those but simple is better at times.
Fast 22 would be the shorter 22X6.8. Velocities published speeds with the light bullets in the Hagar,on 6MMAR, are actually slightly less than the pressure tested loads that are being shot in 22X6.8 and the heavy bullets are so close as to be a wash.
Just my opinion but as I said if I had a reamer handy and a bucket of brass I would build one just to play with but I know I would be going back to the 22X6.8 going in. I like to experiment on stuff just for the fun of it. I've got some 20's that equal and exceed the 204 that really are just an exercise in loading and budget stretching but there I am loading 'em up.
Greg
midwestpredator
Active member
I think in most situations wildcats on the 6.8 or grendel case are the way to go. The brass availability being the biggest reason.
Since the OP has plenty of brass on hand and is doing a bolt gun, there is not much of a reason not to build one. Ill be watching for some group pics and chrono readings.
Since the OP has plenty of brass on hand and is doing a bolt gun, there is not much of a reason not to build one. Ill be watching for some group pics and chrono readings.