utahyotekiller1
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I was browsing a dealer website.... again. And I came across some CZ shotguns for really cheap ($300-400 for pumps and $400-500 for semi autos). Just curious if anybody has one and how good the quality is?
Anyone have a CZ shotgun??
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Furhunter
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I have a RedHead (IIRC) over under in 20ga. that's a pretty nice shotgun. I did have a case a ammo that gave me some problems once, I think the rims were a little thin causing it not to fire when you pulled the trigger. Changed ammo and no problem. Maybe the firing pins a little short who knows. Anyhow, its a nice little shotgun, can't speak for their pumps and autos at all.
utahyotekiller1
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The pumps and autos seem to be lower quality than the o/u and SxS the few times I've handled them.
Hidalgo
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The CZ shotguns are manufactured in Turkey by Huglu. The quality is a total crapshoot (sorry Lance). I know a person who put one of their semis through what he called an "endurance test" and the gun ran over 3000 rounds without a hiccup. I know several others that did everything from full auto to not firing at all.
Word to the wise from a guy who has been there: Spend your hard earned money on a quality shotgun. Even if it means buying used. There are WAY better options out there on the used market like Winchester SX3 or Remington 1187 in the autoloader category, and the Remington 870 is quite possibly the best pump shotgun ever made. All of these are in that price range in excellent used condition. And it also depends on what you're going to use it for and how many rounds/year you're going to shoot. For "casual" use and hunting, any name brand gun will do you nicely. Remington, Winchester, Browning, ... all are way better choices than a CZ.
Word to the wise from a guy who has been there: Spend your hard earned money on a quality shotgun. Even if it means buying used. There are WAY better options out there on the used market like Winchester SX3 or Remington 1187 in the autoloader category, and the Remington 870 is quite possibly the best pump shotgun ever made. All of these are in that price range in excellent used condition. And it also depends on what you're going to use it for and how many rounds/year you're going to shoot. For "casual" use and hunting, any name brand gun will do you nicely. Remington, Winchester, Browning, ... all are way better choices than a CZ.
utahyotekiller1
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Ok thanks guys I'll be headed a different route as far as shotguns are concerned.
tugboater
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Originally Posted By: HidalgoThe CZ shotguns are manufactured in Turkey by Huglu. The quality is a total crapshoot (sorry Lance). I know a person who put one of their semis through what he called an "endurance test" and the gun ran over 3000 rounds without a hiccup. I know several others that did everything from full auto to not firing at all.
Word to the wise from a guy who has been there: Spend your hard earned money on a quality shotgun. Even if it means buying used. There are WAY better options out there on the used market like Winchester SX3 or Remington 1187 in the autoloader category, and the Remington 870 is quite possibly the best pump shotgun ever made. All of these are in that price range in excellent used condition. And it also depends on what you're going to use it for and how many rounds/year you're going to shoot. For "casual" use and hunting, any name brand gun will do you nicely. Remington, Winchester, Browning, ... all are way better choices than a CZ.
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The semi is very selective on what it shoots and cycles, the redhead delux I had the single select stoped workin. The bobwhite side by side developed a problem when closing the barrel the triggers would move. I ended up buying a Berreta fr Walmart for 550$ that is a dumpster! It will shoot everything!
Word to the wise from a guy who has been there: Spend your hard earned money on a quality shotgun. Even if it means buying used. There are WAY better options out there on the used market like Winchester SX3 or Remington 1187 in the autoloader category, and the Remington 870 is quite possibly the best pump shotgun ever made. All of these are in that price range in excellent used condition. And it also depends on what you're going to use it for and how many rounds/year you're going to shoot. For "casual" use and hunting, any name brand gun will do you nicely. Remington, Winchester, Browning, ... all are way better choices than a CZ.
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The semi is very selective on what it shoots and cycles, the redhead delux I had the single select stoped workin. The bobwhite side by side developed a problem when closing the barrel the triggers would move. I ended up buying a Berreta fr Walmart for 550$ that is a dumpster! It will shoot everything!
reaper4
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check out the stoegers. they are big here for the waterfowl guides that need a gun that can get the crap beat out of it and still keep going. i have one, my brother, and 3 of my friends. they run off the inertia system and are really hard to beat for the money. stay away from their pumps but the auto loaders are absolutely great work guns. cant be beat. and around here most of the gas operated guns will freeze up.
utahyotekiller1
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I've looked at stoeger in the past and I liked what I saw so I might have to try one out.
Squeeze
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Originally Posted By: reaper4 and around here most of the gas operated guns will freeze up.
Seriously? I wonder why the Marine Corp went with the Benelli M4...Yup, a gas operated semi-auto. I am pretty sure they tested that.
I hunt waterfowl in Wisconsin. From the great lakes, to marshes you can hear the ice growing in. I have hunted with Remington 1100s, Remington 11-87s, Browning Golds, Browning Maxus, Winchester SX-3s, and Beretta A390s...All gas guns, and all have never failed due to weather. Some of them have never failed, period, and others have malfunctions due to parts wear or breakage, but came back reliable after repair.
I hunted in North Dakota, and on one particular field hunt, two Benellis started malfunctioning due to blowing dust. Two Browning Gold 10 guages, and a Remington 11-87, kept right on cycling, until limits were had. I even lent one of the Benelli boys my Browning Gold 10, so he could finish his limit, instead of getting one shot with the Benelli.
I bought a Benelli SBE shortly after they first landed here in the US. It lasted about a year and a half, and made two trips back to Italy. The whole inertia=reliability claim is more about marketing than it is about reality. The new self contained short stroke gas piston shotguns will run as long and as dirty as any inertia gun. Yes the old open piston Remington 1100/11-87 was less tolerant of powder fouling, but when properly maintained, would run with any inertia gun.
I guess if one uses ones shotgun as a canoe paddle, then MAYBE an inertia gun might be a better choice.
Squeeze
Seriously? I wonder why the Marine Corp went with the Benelli M4...Yup, a gas operated semi-auto. I am pretty sure they tested that.
I hunt waterfowl in Wisconsin. From the great lakes, to marshes you can hear the ice growing in. I have hunted with Remington 1100s, Remington 11-87s, Browning Golds, Browning Maxus, Winchester SX-3s, and Beretta A390s...All gas guns, and all have never failed due to weather. Some of them have never failed, period, and others have malfunctions due to parts wear or breakage, but came back reliable after repair.
I hunted in North Dakota, and on one particular field hunt, two Benellis started malfunctioning due to blowing dust. Two Browning Gold 10 guages, and a Remington 11-87, kept right on cycling, until limits were had. I even lent one of the Benelli boys my Browning Gold 10, so he could finish his limit, instead of getting one shot with the Benelli.
I bought a Benelli SBE shortly after they first landed here in the US. It lasted about a year and a half, and made two trips back to Italy. The whole inertia=reliability claim is more about marketing than it is about reality. The new self contained short stroke gas piston shotguns will run as long and as dirty as any inertia gun. Yes the old open piston Remington 1100/11-87 was less tolerant of powder fouling, but when properly maintained, would run with any inertia gun.
I guess if one uses ones shotgun as a canoe paddle, then MAYBE an inertia gun might be a better choice.
Squeeze
utahyotekiller1
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I think I can pick up a used Remington 1100 or 11-87 for about the same or even a little less than a stoeger. Looks I've got more homework to do haha.t
reaper4
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hey to each their own im just saying that as a gunsmith that has a few local shops that give me 100 percent of repairs, i see tons of 1100's 1187's the brownings and benellis and stoegers as well. Im just looking at it from one point of view but when i get 10 gas guns to every 1 inertia gun....i dont need to look further. i bought a maxus that i love. great shooting gun,but if you get moisture near that thing thats all she wrote until you break it down and do a really good cleaning. the only 2 stoeger AUTOLOADERS that i have taken in were so rusted out by the end of the season that i coulnt get the barrel off, chokes out, or anything. but they were still cycling
reaper4
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Originally Posted By: SqueezeOriginally Posted By: reaper4 and around here most of the gas operated guns will freeze up.
Seriously? I wonder why the Marine Corp went with the Benelli M4...Yup, a gas operated semi-auto. I am pretty sure they tested that.
I hunt waterfowl in Wisconsin. From the great lakes, to marshes you can hear the ice growing in. I have hunted with Remington 1100s, Remington 11-87s, Browning Golds, Browning Maxus, Winchester SX-3s, and Beretta A390s...All gas guns, and all have never failed due to weather. Some of them have never failed, period, and others have malfunctions due to parts wear or breakage, but came back reliable after repair.
I hunted in North Dakota, and on one particular field hunt, two Benellis started malfunctioning due to blowing dust. Two Browning Gold 10 guages, and a Remington 11-87, kept right on cycling, until limits were had. I even lent one of the Benelli boys my Browning Gold 10, so he could finish his limit, instead of getting one shot with the Benelli.
I bought a Benelli SBE shortly after they first landed here in the US. It lasted about a year and a half, and made two trips back to Italy. The whole inertia=reliability claim is more about marketing than it is about reality. The new self contained short stroke gas piston shotguns will run as long and as dirty as any inertia gun. Yes the old open piston Remington 1100/11-87 was less tolerant of powder fouling, but when properly maintained, would run with any inertia gun.
I guess if one uses ones shotgun as a canoe paddle, then MAYBE an inertia gun might be a better choice.
Squeeze btw the benelli m4 is a different story it runs off of two pistons and it really doesent relate to the point of this topic. good gun for its inteded purposes.
Seriously? I wonder why the Marine Corp went with the Benelli M4...Yup, a gas operated semi-auto. I am pretty sure they tested that.
I hunt waterfowl in Wisconsin. From the great lakes, to marshes you can hear the ice growing in. I have hunted with Remington 1100s, Remington 11-87s, Browning Golds, Browning Maxus, Winchester SX-3s, and Beretta A390s...All gas guns, and all have never failed due to weather. Some of them have never failed, period, and others have malfunctions due to parts wear or breakage, but came back reliable after repair.
I hunted in North Dakota, and on one particular field hunt, two Benellis started malfunctioning due to blowing dust. Two Browning Gold 10 guages, and a Remington 11-87, kept right on cycling, until limits were had. I even lent one of the Benelli boys my Browning Gold 10, so he could finish his limit, instead of getting one shot with the Benelli.
I bought a Benelli SBE shortly after they first landed here in the US. It lasted about a year and a half, and made two trips back to Italy. The whole inertia=reliability claim is more about marketing than it is about reality. The new self contained short stroke gas piston shotguns will run as long and as dirty as any inertia gun. Yes the old open piston Remington 1100/11-87 was less tolerant of powder fouling, but when properly maintained, would run with any inertia gun.
I guess if one uses ones shotgun as a canoe paddle, then MAYBE an inertia gun might be a better choice.
Squeeze btw the benelli m4 is a different story it runs off of two pistons and it really doesent relate to the point of this topic. good gun for its inteded purposes.
SlickerThanSnot
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Originally Posted By: tugboaterPass on Stoeger to!
have you had one?
have you had one?
Hidalgo
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Stoeger is in the same bracket as Huglu ..... pure junk. If you have a Stoeger that runs as it should, consider yourself fortunate.
As for the gas guns and waterfowl hunting, that's also a crock. I've hunted waterfowl for 40 years in some of the most brutal conditions you could ask for, and I've seen gas guns continue to shoot. A lot of it has to do with the way they are cleaned. Pour a bunch of lube in them and they will quit working. We always ran our 1100s almost dry ... and they continued to shoot.
Look guys ... you can get a dud in most any brand. And you can get a gem in almost any brand. But the Stoegers, Huglus, the "new" Weatherbys, and some other brands are NOT quality products. I have personally seen ALL of these brands fall apart or refuse to function. No rumor or something I heard. I've actually seen it.
UTAH: Buy yourself a NAME BRAND gun with a GOOD REPUTATION and a PROVEN TRACK RECORD and you'll never be sorry.
Originally Posted By: utahyotekiller1I think I can pick up a used Remington 1100 or 11-87 for about the same or even a little less than a stoeger.
I KNOW you can. And you'll have a better gun that will last you a lifetime if you maintain it.
As for the gas guns and waterfowl hunting, that's also a crock. I've hunted waterfowl for 40 years in some of the most brutal conditions you could ask for, and I've seen gas guns continue to shoot. A lot of it has to do with the way they are cleaned. Pour a bunch of lube in them and they will quit working. We always ran our 1100s almost dry ... and they continued to shoot.
Look guys ... you can get a dud in most any brand. And you can get a gem in almost any brand. But the Stoegers, Huglus, the "new" Weatherbys, and some other brands are NOT quality products. I have personally seen ALL of these brands fall apart or refuse to function. No rumor or something I heard. I've actually seen it.
UTAH: Buy yourself a NAME BRAND gun with a GOOD REPUTATION and a PROVEN TRACK RECORD and you'll never be sorry.
Originally Posted By: utahyotekiller1I think I can pick up a used Remington 1100 or 11-87 for about the same or even a little less than a stoeger.
I KNOW you can. And you'll have a better gun that will last you a lifetime if you maintain it.
reaper4
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i agree completely that you are way better off spending more money now on a gun with a history of great products. just saying that if you are stuck in a price point that limits you to the 500 range a stoeger is Not a bad option. i have 5 or 6 name brand shotguns that i love. but i will tell you that if its raining, snowing , or we have some rough wind and our boat will be getting wet the stoeger comes with me
Hidalgo
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Originally Posted By: reaper4i think stoeger gets a bad name primarily because the p350 and pumps are WORTHLESS
LOL ... you're grasping at straws now. If you have one that functions properly, consider yourself fortunate. By the way ... how many rounds have you fired through it?
Enough of this thread for me. I think the original question has been answered.
LOL ... you're grasping at straws now. If you have one that functions properly, consider yourself fortunate. By the way ... how many rounds have you fired through it?
Enough of this thread for me. I think the original question has been answered.