Anyone load the Honady 53gr V-Max?

Widow maker 223,

Why don't you post your buldged case picture on the AR forum. I've never seen anything like that, but some of the boys over there may be able to help. Be shure to say what brand of cases, or anything else that might help them.

I was uninformed about the pressure thing untill a few weeks ago. After much research on pressure testing, I was brought to a whole new conclusion. What is posted in most reloading manuals about .223/5.56 NATO about pressure is wrong. It's a shame that most gun writers repeat the same bad information.

.223 and 5.56 NATO are loaded to the same pressure.

I guess it could be possible to jam a long heavy bullet, seated out long, into the lands of a .223, and increase pressure slightly.
 
Originally Posted By: Steve M.smokeless, thanks for the reply. My barrel is 18" and 1:8 twist...

OK. You may get to 3250fps in your 18" tube, but you are going to have to push it. Accuracy may suffer, and may not. You will have to play with a lot more powders than you have on hand to get that velocity. My suggestion would be to pick up some IMR-8208xbr, and give it a whirl. Try the powders you have as well, but I think you will find more of what your looking for, with a different powder than you have, and the 53gr v-max. IMO.

Do you have, or have access to a chronograph? There is no other way to tell the velocity in your firearm. What books say, is what they tested, not what it will be in your firearm.
 
No offense, but you need to take your problem to the AR Forum. What you have contributed to the OP's question is a BIG ZERO.


IMO, you have problems, not related to "pressure", but more equipment or component related.

Answer the OP's questions, or start your own thread, with your own topic. We all need answers to questions, but not at the expense of someone else's question.
 
thanks again smokeless. I appreciate your input. It's nice to have a baseline with some tested powder recommendations to get started. I'll probably pick up a pound of BL-C2 and 8208xbr, and try those along with my H335. Maybe even a pound of win 748. I'll bump em up until the accuracy starts to slide to see what works in my rifle. I've always wanted a chrono....this may be a good time to bite the bullet...
 
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Use caution with the BLC-2. It is very temperature sensitive. I used it one time and will not ever use it again.
 
Originally Posted By: Steve M.thanks again smokeless. I appreciate your input. It's nice to have a baseline with some tested powder recommendations to get started. I'll probably pick up a pound of BL-C2 and 8208xbr, and try those along with my H335. Maybe even a pound of win 748. I'll bump em up until the accuracy starts to slide to see what works in my rifle. I've always wanted a chrono....this may be a good time to bite the bullet...


Steve, if you will look at the first page of the 223 section of your Hornady manual, you will see that the test barrel Hornady used was a 26". Not 18" or 20".

If you are going to buy powder, I would suggest these for your 18" tube: Imr-8208xbr, TAC, Benchmark, H-322. These are all proven powders in the medium to faster burn range, they are temp stable as well. You said that you already have Varget, and H-335. Those will give you the slower end of burn speed. Slower powders may not burn up completely in your short tube.

Use the Google search bar at the top of the page and search these powders. You will find plenty of suggestions there. Start low, and work up.
 
I have to agree with this, things will be going good and all of a sudden you have blown primers, and if you load em down for the heat then it's low pressure when it's -10 below.Originally Posted By: reb8600Use caution with the BLC-2. It is very temperature sensitive. I used it one time and will not ever use it again.
 
reb and denny, thanks for the words of caution...noted!

And Smokeless, thanks again for the info. An excellent point about the 26" barrel. I appreciate your powder suggestions as well. I think I'll heed your advice and pick up those powders and work em up. Any recommendations for a good starting point with your suggested powders? (18", 1:8 twist barrel,AR15)
Thanks!
 
25 grs of tac works in my T/C Contender, 14 & 21" barrel, 16" AR, Model 12 Savage 20" bull, 20" Savage sporter barrel, 16" H&R Handi rifle. It also goes 'bang' in my mini 14 that has been cut to 16".
I also use Varget, H335, Benchmark.
 
My M4 clone build has a Colt 1-9" twist barrel that hates 53gr VMAX loaded with Benchmark. The groups were so bad I thought the bullet was destabilizing so I was going to stop load the 53gr for it. But then I switched to H335 and bingo 1/2-3/4 moa and I got a badger yesterday with it. 147 yards DRT. 16" barrel going 3043 fps. I've killed rats, chucks badgers, and coyotes with it.
 
Hello,
I'll soon be receiving my RRA ATH in 223 and I want to load some 53gr V-max bullets. They are a boat tail round with a BC of .290 so they oughta perform well. There's not much load data for them so I was wondering if anyone has used them and what seems to be the recipe of choice. I have some H335 and some Varget so I'm leaning towards those powders unless someone has found something better.
Thanks!
I've ran in sorta the same thing with certain specific bullets looking for load data within say either powder's manufacture load data or a bullet manufactures site. Such as Sierra bullets, usually I skip over Hornady. the ogive or as some like to say profile does make difference. However the same weight can usually be found as act as a rough guide even if it's not the exact projectile.

There are many methods to find a safe load for your rifle load combination, one method that could be used is a simple ladder test, although unless your shooting at 400yds won't give a actual true accuracy node as a rule. But, because of the increasing increments within the test can be used to find the upper pressure limits before exceeding them. I'm I advocating the sole use of this method. NO I'm not I'm simply stating it "COULD" be used if interchanging components' from published data. But if chosen I would recommend stating at the bottom end of published data, but it's your gun your face / hand / eyeballs. Hence my recommendation.

Reading primers, primer pockets, and other signs can sometimes be misleading in certain circumstances, but as a rule is one of the best method one can use without obtaining and using specialized pressure test equipment. Such as the industry uses before publishing load data.

The factors of chamber tolerances, leade design, powder and or bullet manufacture's deviation standards. Map pressure limits within a Semi- automatic or even a even a full automatic such as the M249 as a example. (here I'm not wading into the 5.56mm vs the .223 debate. I could, but chose not to. Just follow your manufacture's advice is my advice. If you ignore that, well that is on you. I'm simply stating the differences that makes a difference in load pressure testing)

SAAMI while a voluntary standard is well, just that voluntary not mandated so it's truly not a enforceable standard spec. This is not wise for a manufacture to not adhere, but fact is SAAMI can't force a standard on ammunition or firearm production. They advise and publish, no where can they halt or fine production or punish for not adhering to their publish standards. It is voluntary.
Before everyone wigs out understand that SAAMI has taken the interchangeability of ammo and firearms to a greater of safety than was ever available prior to it's inception and acceptance by the manufacturers'. Their program and efforts has been a booming success story.

To the Op's question I personally would use Hodgden load data site recommendation using a coal of 2.200" (or even deviate a little bit, provided they are not jamming into the lands or so short a coal that it causes issues) start at 24.0 grs of H335 using a ladder test method according to Hodgden redline should be 26.0grs (53grs).
Because of the Hornady's ogive do I "think" the COAL could be set longer than Hodgdon recommended COAL for the 53 gr Sierria in a ladder? Yes I think it could, but I personally would use the published COAL length an go from there.

Just a recommendation YMMV, personally I like H335 for the .223/5.56mm and usually recommend it. Why well it performs well across the 5 different AR's with varying twist rate, barrel lengths, and differing chambers. The most accurate loads is the 50 to 55gr projectile (I usually stick with FB deigns) with the 12 twist (at mag length). Although my goal of minute of PD can be obtained in the M4 clone of 14.5" with a 1-7' twist using the exact same load. Even though it is really overspin and shows it's tail at the just before the 400 yard line. Which a BT design such as the Hornady V-max could shine here because of the added length vs the FB design. Again YMMV, I'm simply stating my experience.
 
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