Anyone with Winchester Model 70 Does yours do this?

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VASHTI

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I have a Win. 70 coyote I got from someone else.

Im wondering is this normal?


Cock the rifle. Put on full safety and pull trigger. I get just a slight movement of the firing pin but not enough to fire. BUT if I then slide the safety from full to no safety the firing pin finishes and goes all the way and fires.

So what I do is just go from full safety to half safety and then I am able to eject the shell without firing.


Also how do you get the firing pin out of the actual cocking peice. Mine looks as though it is one machined piece.

I ask this because the rifle came with a Timney trigger that was just too light for my kid. So I put the original parts back in. The cocking piece looks as if it might have been filed slightly and might be my problem so I ordered a new one from Midway and I cannot see how the original separates.

Winchester will not sell me the original assembly. Has to be sent back and after large shipping costs and months of waiting Im trying to avoid.

My serial # is G23764&&
Im assuming it is post 64 as the previous owner said it only had 60 rounds through it.

Thanks...Casey
 
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Can't say any of my 4 have that issues. Granted they are all left hand models. I'd call Winchester and check with them. May be a short trip back to the factory for a tune up.

My 0.02
 
I would check with a local gunsmith...should't be hard to fix..at least it didn't take him long to fix mine that was doing the same thing.
 
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BUT if I then slide the safety from full to no safety the firing pin finishes and goes all the way and fires.



That's not good.
Does it fire with your finger off the trigger when the safety is pushed to fire ? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
I don't know anything about that gun but your descripion sounds scary.

PC
 
Either the trigger mechanism is dirty or the sear engagement is too light...or a combination of both. Any gun that fires when you have the safety engaged, pull the trigger and then release the safety is definately not right and a possible hazard. This happens primarily to rifles that have a safety which works by camming back the cocking piece like the Model 70, the Springfield 03 and the Mauser. Dirt causes it by sticking the trigger down so that the sear cant stop the cocking piece{among other things.} Not enough sear engagement works alittle different...it starts out as an amazingly light and great feeling trigger then it wears to the point that the sear starts to miss the cocking piece. Find someone familiar with adjusting the Model 70 trigger and have it cleaned and readjusted. Worst case just send it back to FN.
 
The old Savage triggers used to do that when somebody screwed around with them, that didn't know what they were doing. I shot a hole through the hood and fender of my pickup, learning that. I would take it to a dependable gunsmith or as msinc suggested, contact FN.
 
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Either the trigger mechanism is dirty or the sear engagement is too light...or a combination of both...



Neither (you shouldn't guess about trigger advice).

Someone tried to install a Timney trigger and filed a bit of the sear away, now the rifle won't work with an original Winchester trigger.


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I have a Win. 70 coyote I got from someone else.

Im wondering is this normal?


Cock the rifle. Put on full safety and pull trigger. I get just a slight movement of the firing pin but not enough to fire. BUT if I then slide the safety from full to no safety the firing pin finishes and goes all the way and fires.

So what I do is just go from full safety to half safety and then I am able to eject the shell without firing.


Also how do you get the firing pin out of the actual cocking peice. Mine looks as though it is one machined piece.

I ask this because the rifle came with a Timney trigger that was just too light for my kid. So I put the original parts back in. The cocking piece looks as if it might have been filed slightly and might be my problem so I ordered a new one from Midway and I cannot see how the original separates.

Winchester will not sell me the original assembly. Has to be sent back and after large shipping costs and months of waiting Im trying to avoid.

My serial # is G23764&&
Im assuming it is post 64 as the previous owner said it only had 60 rounds through it.

Thanks...Casey



No it's not normal, the installation of the timney trigger was incorrect. Unfortunately you can't just switch back to the factory trigger without fitting it to the rifle. To properly install the Timney trigger requires the modification of both the cocking piece sear and the safety cam area. The instructions are here: http://www.timneytriggers.com/InstallInstructions/Win%2070.pdf

The firing pin is held in by the bolt shroud & the spring keeper. To remove the bolt shroud simply remove the bolt from the rifle. Look at the underside of the bolt and you will see a retainer pin . Press this pin in and the shroud unscrews clockwise. To remove the spring insert the firing pin assembly into a fixture to catch the spring. (a 3/16 hole drilled through a piece of steel and mounted in a vise will work.) The object is to compress the firing pin spring enough to remove the retainer. And use caution this spring is very stout.

As a side note the rilfle basix trigger works great and drops right in. First and foremost be safe and take your time. If this is beyond your ability take it to a reputable gunsmith.

ETA:
You may want to contact:
BACHELDER'S Custom Gunsmith
1229 MICHIGAN NE GRAND RAPIDS, MI 49512 USA
Voice: 1-616-459-3636 Fax: 1-616-459-9670
Might be quicker than sending the rifle to Winchester.
 
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Okay so it is screwed up.. I will bite my lip and just send it in.
Winchester told me only an authorized dealer/gunsmith can work on their guns and order certain parts like we are talking about not just any old gunsmith???

Anyone want to buy it cheap and you fix it?
Here is the actual add: Not this guys fault...

It is now the rifle only as the original owner bought the scope and rings back.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubb...ue#Post52961094


Thanks Casey
 
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definitely should not do what you describe
I agree that someone fiddled around with it and messed it up
I have 4 win mod 70 and none of them will do what you describe
a trip back to Win may be in order or have a competent smith fix it....... if they can
 
have you done a trigger job on the rifle and has trigger spring been cut? You should be able to tell by looking at it. I would suspect someone has adjusted the trigger and has caused the trigger to travel far enough that the sear is release but the safety holds it until you release the it. Check and see if the trigger has alot of side to side movement or if the pin is worn.
 
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I have a Win. 70 coyote I got from someone else.

Im wondering is this normal?


Cock the rifle. Put on full safety and pull trigger. I get just a slight movement of the firing pin but not enough to fire. BUT if I then slide the safety from full to no safety the firing pin finishes and goes all the way and fires.

Casey



No, it's not normal, and it is VERY dangerous.
Have a gunsmith adjust the trigger so that doesn't happen.
I do my own triggers and could fix that problem. But, if you're not familiar with triggers, by all means have a gunsmith fix it. It should not be an expensive fix, and should not take a long time getting the rifle back.

Don
 
After I really got it apart I see the spot where the safety stops on the cocking piece has been milled/lathed back almost a 1/8 inch so the Timney trigger would work that was in there.

So I ordered all new Speedlock cocking piece and spring/firing pin and will have the gunsmith install.

Lots of thanks to you guys for helping me out.


Get it together right and sell it.

Anyone interested?
 
I have a model 70 coyote. The trigger was really creepy when I got it. I removed the action from the stock and played with it for a while. There were some adjustments to be made so I tinkered for a while. At first, I tinkered too much and had the exact problem you are describing. (All through function checking, never with live ammo.) I then un-tinkered (is that a word?) back to the point I was looking for. I would love to describe to you how to adjust it, but I can not remember what exactly it looked like. (I havent had it out of the stock since, and I have worked too many triggers since then to give you an accurate description.) Either way, if you dont want to mess with it I might be interested in purchasing the gun. PM me with the full specs and asking price.

-BANDIT
 
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