usmcoyotekiller
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I have and ar with a muzzle brake on it is there any use for these beside making it louder???
ar muzzle brake
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OldTurtle
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I think it depends on the type of shooting you are doing... if you are shooting at larger targets, or in action type competitions,,, you will never notice that you have one installed...
If you are shooting Prairie Dogs, or similar, and want to see the shot impacts, they can help with that..They can also help with quick second round follow up shots by keeping the muzzle down just a little more..
If you are shooting Prairie Dogs, or similar, and want to see the shot impacts, they can help with that..They can also help with quick second round follow up shots by keeping the muzzle down just a little more..
BRIZ
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well,
some breaks are designed to take out muzzle jump, some for dust signature, some for noise reduction (linear compensators).
im not sure of the verbage but there is a diff between a break and compensator and a flash hider. someone might be able to help out more on this without me doing a google search on it but...
i know that a bushmaster "izzy" break is one mean mother, i shot mine one time with out ear protection (dumb i know) and my ears rang for 2 weeks, i tried everything i could with that thing, that rifle went down the road (it was pinned on and during the ban)
the flash hiders that are standard on the milliatry M16 and M4 (bird cage type), help control muzzle jump to an extent, but mainly are for reduching the dust signature when shooting prone and suppersing the muzzle flash in low light, this is a dead giveaway to a shooting position from the enemy point of view.
compensators, do just that, compensate for things that the rifle does, muzzle jump, recoil, muzzle blast etc. i have a Kies blast master liner comp comming on my custom build that Scott is doing for me, this comp will reduce the muzzle blast and noise that will come off the 16 inch barrel.
hope this helps you out some but without knowing what muzzle devise you have now its kind of hard to nail it down for you.
some breaks are designed to take out muzzle jump, some for dust signature, some for noise reduction (linear compensators).
im not sure of the verbage but there is a diff between a break and compensator and a flash hider. someone might be able to help out more on this without me doing a google search on it but...
i know that a bushmaster "izzy" break is one mean mother, i shot mine one time with out ear protection (dumb i know) and my ears rang for 2 weeks, i tried everything i could with that thing, that rifle went down the road (it was pinned on and during the ban)
the flash hiders that are standard on the milliatry M16 and M4 (bird cage type), help control muzzle jump to an extent, but mainly are for reduching the dust signature when shooting prone and suppersing the muzzle flash in low light, this is a dead giveaway to a shooting position from the enemy point of view.
compensators, do just that, compensate for things that the rifle does, muzzle jump, recoil, muzzle blast etc. i have a Kies blast master liner comp comming on my custom build that Scott is doing for me, this comp will reduce the muzzle blast and noise that will come off the 16 inch barrel.
hope this helps you out some but without knowing what muzzle devise you have now its kind of hard to nail it down for you.
I had a PWS TTO on a 16" rifle, and while it did reduce muzzle rise, it was VERY loud and any one standing to the side of you got pounded by the percussion. The gun I am using now has a Battle Comp in it. It's great at reducing muzzle jump and not near as bad for people around you. All my future builds will have a Battle Comp on them.
sharkathmi
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usmcoyotekiller,
Like one guy said, you might want to try a linear compensator.
I put one on my AR and I feel that it has helped with the noise issue. It is still loud, but not as loud.
Here is a link to a Levang Linear Compensator .
Something to consider.
Like one guy said, you might want to try a linear compensator.
I put one on my AR and I feel that it has helped with the noise issue. It is still loud, but not as loud.
Here is a link to a Levang Linear Compensator .
Something to consider.
joshua79109
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Originally Posted By: usmcoyotekillerI have and ar with a muzzle brake on it is there any use for these beside making it louder???
They reduce the muzzle flip. Most of the guys I shoot with at matches use them to keep their time as low as possible between targets.
I prefer a flash hider (Smith Vortex) on a 5.56X45 carbine as opposed to the brake. For me the muzzle flip of the 5.56X45 is not big enough to warrant a brake. With a good grip I can eliminate most of the flip. In 5.56X45 flash reduction is more important to me to ensure no blindness from the muzzle flash in the dark or for the unlikely chance that someone would ever be shooting back at me (I prefer them to not see my muzzle flash) - I understand this is not a something that everyone considers or cares about.
I say all of that to say it's really a to each their own deal in my opinion, nothing wrong with choosing either way as long as a person understands the differences.
They reduce the muzzle flip. Most of the guys I shoot with at matches use them to keep their time as low as possible between targets.
I prefer a flash hider (Smith Vortex) on a 5.56X45 carbine as opposed to the brake. For me the muzzle flip of the 5.56X45 is not big enough to warrant a brake. With a good grip I can eliminate most of the flip. In 5.56X45 flash reduction is more important to me to ensure no blindness from the muzzle flash in the dark or for the unlikely chance that someone would ever be shooting back at me (I prefer them to not see my muzzle flash) - I understand this is not a something that everyone considers or cares about.
I say all of that to say it's really a to each their own deal in my opinion, nothing wrong with choosing either way as long as a person understands the differences.
Just to key in an a point here, the linear muzzle breaks do not, I repeat DO NOT reduce noise at all, If it did, it would be a suppressor. Linear muzzle breakes direct the noise, and more importantly the muzzle blast forward. The blast being directed forward, is the biggest part of what makes these breaks comfortable to shoot, it gets rid of that impact feeling like someone just clapped your ears. That is why it is perceived by the shooter as more comfortable to shoot.
Remember that no break is a substitute for hearing protection.
And we recommend you wear it at all times while shooting.
That being said, when i choose to not wear hearing protection, such as when hunting, our breaks make the rifle much more comfortable to shoot.
Remember that no break is a substitute for hearing protection.
And we recommend you wear it at all times while shooting.
That being said, when i choose to not wear hearing protection, such as when hunting, our breaks make the rifle much more comfortable to shoot.
NdIndy
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The linear comp isn't about noise at all. It's design is to take muzzle jump out and push the gun straight back (linear compensator) Comp=recoil linear=straight. They will be quieter to the shooter than other brakes, but not enough to be considered. Recoil is likely to be MORE than with other brakes since they don't kick blast out to the sides. They are supposed to be pretty effective at controlling muzzle jump though.
Most of the negative reviews I've read have been people complaining that they didn't do what they're not supposed to do, ie reduce recoil or suppress it. I'll be testing one soon, but they're on backorder so no reviews yet.
FWIW I've got a DPMS style on my AR, behind the trigger is easy to shoot and a fun gun. But when I did my last rifle class no-one would shoot next to me. Guys on either side would stay 5 feet behind me. Apparently the blast to the side even with ears on was intolerable. And all of us were street cops carrying 'expert' ratings with thousands and thousands of rounds downrange. So it must be really bad
Most of the negative reviews I've read have been people complaining that they didn't do what they're not supposed to do, ie reduce recoil or suppress it. I'll be testing one soon, but they're on backorder so no reviews yet.
FWIW I've got a DPMS style on my AR, behind the trigger is easy to shoot and a fun gun. But when I did my last rifle class no-one would shoot next to me. Guys on either side would stay 5 feet behind me. Apparently the blast to the side even with ears on was intolerable. And all of us were street cops carrying 'expert' ratings with thousands and thousands of rounds downrange. So it must be really bad
NdIndy
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I guess I have to do everything
The levang is back in stock at midway, reminded me of this thread. This link
http://www.kiesfirearms.com/Parts_and_Accessories.html
goes to pics and pricing on his site, wasn't there before I don't think. More $ than the levang but he has caliber listed up to .308.
Depending on how the levang works on the .223 I might look at one for my 25-06 or bigger.
http://www.kiesfirearms.com/Parts_and_Accessories.html
goes to pics and pricing on his site, wasn't there before I don't think. More $ than the levang but he has caliber listed up to .308.
Depending on how the levang works on the .223 I might look at one for my 25-06 or bigger.
Sorry about not replying to this thread earlier on, we have been rebuilding the website and have pics of pretty much everything except the complete uppers, those pics will be coming up soon though.
our compensator is quite a bit different then the levang, and not just cosmetically. Personally i have never used a levang so i can not compare them. I do know that the folks who have ours and those who have tried them like them alot.
Thanks
Travis
our compensator is quite a bit different then the levang, and not just cosmetically. Personally i have never used a levang so i can not compare them. I do know that the folks who have ours and those who have tried them like them alot.
Thanks
Travis
NdIndy
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I actually dropped my .223 with the smith today to get the barrel threaded, the levang came in yesterday. It's going on a bolt gun, not an AR. My AR would become a no-no if I swapped the smaller levang onto it. Well, I'd have to stamp it anyway. Assuming legislation gets passes this next go round that makes a can legal to shoot more than paper with the bolt would have been getting threaded anyway.
Hopefully I'll get some shooting in during the next week. First impression of the levang, it's smaller and heavier than I thought it would be. I had thought about opening one up for a larger caliber, but looking at it I don't think that's a viable option. Do-able, but at what looks to be not much benefit.
I've seen at least 1 place modding them for larger, but I think it's a matter of someone will pay for it so we'll do it.
Physics wise I can see how it *should* work pretty easily. But then again I've reverse engineered quite a few things in my day and physics in my head is a lot like knowing my own name. Whether or not it *does* work, I'll post when I know.
KIES: what's different in yours?
Hopefully I'll get some shooting in during the next week. First impression of the levang, it's smaller and heavier than I thought it would be. I had thought about opening one up for a larger caliber, but looking at it I don't think that's a viable option. Do-able, but at what looks to be not much benefit.
I've seen at least 1 place modding them for larger, but I think it's a matter of someone will pay for it so we'll do it.
Physics wise I can see how it *should* work pretty easily. But then again I've reverse engineered quite a few things in my day and physics in my head is a lot like knowing my own name. Whether or not it *does* work, I'll post when I know.
KIES: what's different in yours?
The internal design is a bit different, as well as the extended cup in the front.
And we make them for both 22 caliber and 30 caliber, so there would be no need to play around with opening one up, which could lead to dangerous results, as barrels 22 caliber and under are threaded 1/2x28 and barrels from 23 caliber to 30 caliber are threaded 5/8x24. The reason for this is, you can imagine what would happen if you threaded a 22 caliber muzzle device onto a 30 caliber barrel.
And we make them for both 22 caliber and 30 caliber, so there would be no need to play around with opening one up, which could lead to dangerous results, as barrels 22 caliber and under are threaded 1/2x28 and barrels from 23 caliber to 30 caliber are threaded 5/8x24. The reason for this is, you can imagine what would happen if you threaded a 22 caliber muzzle device onto a 30 caliber barrel.
NdIndy
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Ya, after receiving it and looking at it, seemed a bad idea. I found pics of a modified one, after the work done I see 0 benefit unless you want a little extra weight on the end of your barrel.
Depending on how the .223 testing goes I'll look at a larger caliber. I've got a spare unfired 25-06 barrel I need to find a use for and a couple 25-06 rifles to compare with.
Depending on how the .223 testing goes I'll look at a larger caliber. I've got a spare unfired 25-06 barrel I need to find a use for and a couple 25-06 rifles to compare with.
NdIndy
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Weather and work finally allowed a little trigger time today. Not a lot but 20 or so rounds downrange with the levang comp. The downside is I haven't shot the rifle in a while so impressions may be skewed.
While the 223 isn't exactly a punishing round, I found the recoil to be surprisingly soft. Ill have to take some tools with me next time, assuming thr rain ever stops, so I can back to back test but as of now it looks like there is a noticeable reduction in recoil which is more than I guessed would happen.
Sound-wise, not using the most sophisticated equpment and only thinking to check my last shot, showed 140db, reading to the right and behind me a couple feet. Pretty much what I anticipated, and ill check if there is any difference when I do the back to backs. I'm not going to anticipate a noteable change in volume.
While the 223 isn't exactly a punishing round, I found the recoil to be surprisingly soft. Ill have to take some tools with me next time, assuming thr rain ever stops, so I can back to back test but as of now it looks like there is a noticeable reduction in recoil which is more than I guessed would happen.
Sound-wise, not using the most sophisticated equpment and only thinking to check my last shot, showed 140db, reading to the right and behind me a couple feet. Pretty much what I anticipated, and ill check if there is any difference when I do the back to backs. I'm not going to anticipate a noteable change in volume.