AR trigger Lubrication test ! UPDATED

Originally Posted By: HookedAs far as bolt lube goes, Mobil 1 works fantastic for me.

Mobil 1 is an excellent lubricant, and I've used it for years. But after trying, and working with Weapon Shield oil and Lithium Grease for some time now, it's all I now use for any and all firearms lubrication needs.
 
Years ago, there was a member that "Lurked" here (Evil Lurker?), and had very good results using WS Products, based on his knowledge and testing I`m sure it is a very good product.
 
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Originally Posted By: billtOriginally Posted By: Goe BlowNow to the machine demo its value is subject, years ago a guy showed me a demo on gear lube additives demonstrating wear protection funny thing was he showed in the same demo that the Drink (coke) would stop the a goughing grinding of the same two metals.

Then perhaps you should lubricate your weapons with Coke? My point exactly....
 
Originally Posted By: Goe BlowOriginally Posted By: billtOriginally Posted By: Goe BlowNow to the machine demo its value is subject, years ago a guy showed me a demo on gear lube additives demonstrating wear protection funny thing was he showed in the same demo that the Drink (coke) would stop the a goughing grinding of the same two metals.

Then perhaps you should lubricate your weapons with Coke? My point exactly....


I get that some folks will like what they like. Even after an unbiased and subjective test, they still cling to brand X or product Y. The simple fact is, there are many great lubricants that will do what is needed of them. I use mil-std CLP, and TW-25 because that is what we use in the military. Also, I get them at a great price. I simply can not see an advantage enough to justify $40 in some oil and grease. I also feel that if it was that exponentially better, it would be standard issue when we carry our service rifles. But...everyone run what they feel is proper, shoot straight and keep your powder dry.
 
Originally Posted By: pahntr760Originally Posted By: Goe BlowOriginally Posted By: billtOriginally Posted By: Goe BlowNow to the machine demo its value is subject, years ago a guy showed me a demo on gear lube additives demonstrating wear protection funny thing was he showed in the same demo that the Drink (coke) would stop the a goughing grinding of the same two metals.

Then perhaps you should lubricate your weapons with Coke? My point exactly....


I get that some folks will like what they like. Even after an unbiased and subjective test, they still cling to brand X or product Y. The simple fact is, there are many great lubricants that will do what is needed of them. I use mil-std CLP, and TW-25 because that is what we use in the military. Also, I get them at a great price. I simply can not see an advantage enough to justify $40 in some oil and grease. I also feel that if it was that exponentially better, it would be standard issue when we carry our service rifles. But...everyone run what they feel is proper, shoot straight and keep your powder dry. What you say basic truth but then you should also know how slow the military is to adapt....
 
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Here is another thing a great many shooters fail to realize. Just because the military uses something, does not make it the finest obtainable. For example, the military uses CLP. They do so because a soldier cannot carry a plethora of products in the field to service his weapon. So the military contracted for a Mil-Spec product that can do all 3. "Clean-Lubricate-Protect". It does not mean CLP is the finest gun lube available, just because it meets a "Mil-Spec". Anymore than a Mil-Spec MRE is the finest food obtainable. It simply meets a nutritional military specification for a ready to eat meal, that's all. No more. No less.

Shooters do not carry around their gun cleaning products. At least not on their person with other people shooting at them. We can, and do, use a multitude of different products, all designed to perform a different task. We use solvents to remove fouling. We use oil to lubricate light assemblies. We use grease to lubricate high stress parts. The correct lubricant for the task at hand. Shooters are not regulated to use one single product. Like magazines and ammunition, we can use whatever we want. Not so with the military soldier. He must use what the military approves, inventories, and issues to him.

Any time a product is designed to do 3 things at once, it usually doesn't do any of them very well. I'm not saying, or even suggesting CLP is "bad" for a gun. It's not. It's just that there are better products out there.

Most any oil or grease will keep a firearm up and running. Anything is better than nothing, as the saying goes. Just as you can use any off the shelf motor oil in your car. And any of them will keep the engine from seizing up. But some oils are far and away better than others.

Weapon Shield has designed, and proven, their oil / "CLP", and greases out perform most all others. Some will not believe that, regardless of how many tests they run showing otherwise. That is their prerogative. As I said, guns are not that difficult to keep lubricated. But with so many products out there, it makes sense to use the best ones obtainable. And as I mentioned before, I don't carry all of them around with me. I just reach and take them off the shelf as I need them.
 
So many half truths and flat out inaccuracies on this post. But I will save the key strokes explaining as your mind is set and that is the end, for you at least.
 
Originally Posted By: pahntr760 So many half truths and flat out inaccuracies on this post. But I will save the key strokes...................

Translated = "I think you're wrong, but I can't, or else I'm too lazy to explain why I think so".
 
Originally Posted By: billtHere is another thing a great many shooters fail to realize. Just because the military uses something, does not make it the finest obtainable. For example, the military uses CLP. They do so because a soldier cannot carry a plethora of products in the field to service his weapon. So the military contracted for a Mil-Spec product that can do all 3. "Clean-Lubricate-Protect". It does not mean CLP is the finest gun lube available, just because it meets a "Mil-Spec". Anymore than a Mil-Spec MRE is the finest food obtainable. It simply meets a nutritional military specification for a ready to eat meal, that's all. No more. No less.

Shooters do not carry around their gun cleaning products. At least not on their person with other people shooting at them. We can, and do, use a multitude of different products, all designed to perform a different task. We use solvents to remove fouling. We use oil to lubricate light assemblies. We use grease to lubricate high stress parts. The correct lubricant for the task at hand. Shooters are not regulated to use one single product. Like magazines and ammunition, we can use whatever we want. Not so with the military soldier. He must use what the military approves, inventories, and issues to him.

Any time a product is designed to do 3 things at once, it usually doesn't do any of them very well. I'm not saying, or even suggesting CLP is "bad" for a gun. It's not. It's just that there are better products out there.

Most any oil or grease will keep a firearm up and running. Anything is better than nothing, as the saying goes. Just as you can use any off the shelf motor oil in your car. And any of them will keep the engine from seizing up. But some oils are far and away better than others.

Weapon Shield has designed, and proven, their oil / "CLP", and greases out perform most all others. Some will not believe that, regardless of how many tests they run showing otherwise. That is their prerogative. As I said, guns are not that difficult to keep lubricated. But with so many products out there, it makes sense to use the best ones obtainable. And as I mentioned before, I don't carry all of them around with me. I just reach and take them off the shelf as I need them. You make some excellent points here billt!
 
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Originally Posted By: billtOriginally Posted By: pahntr760 So many half truths and flat out inaccuracies on this post. But I will save the key strokes...................

Translated = "I think you're wrong, but I can't, or else I'm too lazy to explain why I think so".

I know you're wrong, but not worth any extra time arguing over the internet with a knot head.
 
Originally Posted By: pahntr760I know you're wrong..............

Sure you do kid. You're a legend in your own mind.
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OK, lets start here

"Shooters do not carry around their gun cleaning products. At least not on their person with other people shooting at them."
Yep, the Otis Kit with CLP never goes in the field...

"Like magazines and ammunition, we can use whatever we want. Not so with the military soldier. He must use what the military approves, inventories, and issues to him."

PMags are easily authorized with the correct channels. Also, self procured cleaning kits and lubricants are available, in theater, at the BX/PX.


"Weapon Shield has designed, and proven, their oil / "CLP", and greases out perform most all others. Some will not believe that, regardless of how many tests they run showing otherwise."

And like I said before, these test went FAR beyond what any hunter will see. Even a prairie dog shooter won't subject their rifles to the stresses "tested"

I get it, you like Weapon Shield...good on you. But your constant badgering of all other things is silly. Simply put, there are far more than one way to skin a cat.

And, like I said before, none of this will matter as it won't get through your stubbornness.


Originally Posted By: billtOriginally Posted By: pahntr760I know you're wrong..............

Sure you do kid. You're a legend in your own mind.
rolleyes.gif


Legend in my own mind, that is a cute one. Along with the 'kid' part...And the the fact that this is the only thread you've participated in for months...smells funny, that one.

Lets just leave it at I'll use what I wish and you can too.
 
Come on guys lets agree every one has the right to there own opinion. My goal is to find the best lube for me by using my experiences and what instruments are available to me.
 
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Originally Posted By: pahntr760Yep, the Otis Kit with CLP never goes in the field.

I told you CLP was DESIGNED to be used in the field.

Originally Posted By: pahntr760PMags are easily authorized with the correct channels. Also, self procured cleaning kits and lubricants are available, in theater, at the BX/PX.

"With the correct channels"?? Come on, get real. 99.99% of every military M-4 sees nothing but G.I. issue magazines and standard Ball or M-855 ammunition, along with nothing but CLP. You know it, and I know it. To suggest otherwise is silly nit picking nonsense. All of which is totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand. If other lubricants and magazines were so necessary in the field, the military would issue them. They're not, and they don't.

Originally Posted By: pahntr760And like I said before, these test went FAR beyond what any hunter will see. Even a prairie dog shooter won't subject their rifles to the stresses "tested".

This is absolutely hilarious. Now you're complaining that Weapon Shield was too well tested? Are you serious? Of course these tests go, "far beyond what the hunter will see". That is the whole purpose and concept of testing to begin with. Do you think G.M., Ford, and Chrysler test their engines and vehicles by giving them to housewives to drive to the store? They test under the absolute harshest and worst high wear conditions imaginable. They purposely try to induce failure. That is the whole idea. The S.A.E. (which Mr. Fennel was a member of for years), tests lubricants the exact same way. And they have for decades. It's commonplace in the lubrication industry. It is one of the main reasons today's modern oils and lubricants are so superior to what was available just a few years ago. But again, if you knew anything of what you're talking about you would know that, wouldn't you? It's quite apparent you don't, and this type of foolish nonsense proves it. No wonder you were so reluctant to post, and I had to all but drag it out of you. I would be too if this silliness was my comeback.

Your first mistake is thinking that I'm trying to convince you of something. I'm not. You can use goat cheese to lubricate your guns for all I care. And believe me, I don't. Then you turn around and start in with, nit picking posts in some foolish, futile attempt to prove some obscure, non existent point that no one, least of all myself, even cares about because of the total irrelevance of it to the discussion at hand.

Originally Posted By: pahntr760Along with the 'kid' part...And the the fact that this is the only thread you've participated in for months...smells funny, that one.

You may not be a kid, but your poor communication and lack of common sense, along with your all but non existent knowledge on this subject would certainly suggest otherwise. And yes, you're correct. This is one of the few threads I've participated in. See, I don't live on the Internet. I have what is called a life. I go out in the world and see and do. It's quite apparent you spend the bulk of your life in front of a monitor, (over 10,000 posts in 5-1/2 years on this forum alone proves that), trying to pick arguments on subjects you know absolutely nothing about. If you didn't you wouldn't be so foolish to think I'm some type of "salesman" for Weapon Shield. Who actually thinks I would be foolish enough to waste my time trying to sell it to someone with your total lack of knowledge and common sense. Now, please move along and let the grown ups talk.
 
Originally Posted By: Goe BlowOriginally Posted By: HookedOne magical lube I would like to see included is Rydol
http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.8.2_fc.php

As far as bolt lube goes, Mobil 1 works fantastic for me. 5W-30 or 0-30

Send me some and i will run it .

A quart of each should not cost any more than $15.00 ($12.00)
If you want to try some out then PM me where to send it and I`ll mail you some of each both 5-30 and 0-30.
 


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