Originally Posted By: Bowhntr6pt
If you can shoot 1' to 1 1/2" every time all the time, with over-the-counter standard parts... you're not doing too bad in my opinion.
I Agree with that every day all day.
Ok I'm going to say this in a differant manner. When I shot NRA Highpower and was building NRA Highpower Guns as well as service rifle. I shot exclusive 20- 22 shot groups and measured the group outside to outside period.
I can already hear the balking and comments to the contrary already.
In my life time I have seen the standard accuracy group size go from a 10 shot to three shot group because of a gun writer.
But lets be realistic !!!.... In the High Power game MY scores relied on where those same twenty rounds went. So when I did load development it was with 20 shot groups simple and at the EXACT distance I expected to fire that load.
I found that some loads that fired well at the 400 didn't do so good at the 600. And the ones that fired Crappy at 400 did well at the 600. Did I have 3, 4 , 5 loads that was dedicated to certain ranges yep sure did.
What was my expectations /goals the 10 ring at X range which I was going to fire this made life simple.
I hear all the time OHH I have a sub MOA rifle. but when you put that same rifle load and shooter to a test they fail to duplicate. Even allowing a three shot group vs the ten because they cant duplicate it 5 times, if you can duplicate it 5 times then YOU KNOW you have a consistant load.
Period.
That is indisputable fact. And let's not be stupid I'm NOT talking anbout firing fast enough to heat up the barrel I'm talking a leasurily pace we assessing accuracy NOT shooting a Parire Dog town full of Reactive targets.
The Point of all my going on is this. What is the distance (Dia) of your Kill area of your target. That should be the determining factor at XXX range.
Where are My AR's at in the accuracy department? 1 - 2 MOA across the board ( and every one of them will produce a .5 Moa or less three shot cherry picked group) and I'm tickled to death with them. But they are not sub Moa the are 1 to 2 MOA.
Some are slow twist, some are fast twist. In the 1-12 / 1-14 twist I shoot shorter projectiles ( 40 to 55grs) those I reserve for PD. IF I need to reach out and hit something at a longer range than 400 yds I'll switch to the 1-7 twist with the 80 to 90grs Longer projectiles.
I'm adding this only to show what my goals was at X distance:
The first stage of fire consists of two sighting shots and 20 shots for record in 20 minutes. These shots are fired at a distance of 200 yards in the standing/offhand position. The target used has a 3 inch X-ring, a 7 inch ten-ring. Each succeeding scoring ring is three inches wide. The aiming black is 13 inches wide, consisting of the 9,10, and X rings. The lowest value ring is the 5-ring. X's are scored a value of ten and are used for tie breaking purposes.
The second stage of fire consists of two ten-shot strings fired rapid fire from the sitting position with a time limit of 60 seconds for each string. This string is also done at 200 yards using the same target as was used for offhand. The string can start with the shooter either in the standing or sitting position. Once the clock starts, the shooter gets into position and shoots the 10 shots. If the shooter is using a semi-automatic rifle, 2 shots are fired then a magazine change is required and the remaining 8 shots are fired. If the shooter is using an NRA type rifle, 5 shots are fired then a re-load is performed and the remaining 5 shots are fired.
The third stage of fire is rapid-fire prone (lying down) at 300 yards. Each of two ten-shot strings are fired in a time limit of 70 seconds. The dimensions of the target are the same as the 200 yard target, with the exception of an additional ring of black to facilitate aiming.The string can start with the shooter either in the standing or prone position. Once the clock starts, the shooter gets into position and shoots the 10 record shots. The shooter uses the same re-load procedure as with the 200 yard rapid sitting.
The final stage is fired at a distance of 600 yards. Twenty shots for record are fired slow-fire from the prone position in 20 minutes. The target used has a 6 inch X-ring, and 12 inch 10-ring. The 9 and 8 rings are each three inches wider. Each ring of value below that is six inches wider. The aiming black consists of the 7, 8, 9, 10, and X rings, which constitutes a 36 inch aiming black.
NOW as I no longer shoot the "game" I have relaxed it a bit and my goal is hitting a PD for 90% of the time
