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Cweeks,
I do not use that specific arrow, but the increased grains/inche will ahve the same basic effect a heavier bullet does. Slightly more drop downrange, but more energy. I have always shot a heavier arrow and broadhead. I just like the idea of more energy when the arrow hits. Last years bull I went through the leading shoulder, through a rib and 3/4 inch into the next shoulder.
I also find tha tarows are like bullets. Certain bows will shoot certain arrows a little better. I am not areal expert, but it is more important to match the spline of hte arrow with the weight and length of cut. I am sure there are mores who can explain this better.
I do not use that specific arrow, but the increased grains/inche will ahve the same basic effect a heavier bullet does. Slightly more drop downrange, but more energy. I have always shot a heavier arrow and broadhead. I just like the idea of more energy when the arrow hits. Last years bull I went through the leading shoulder, through a rib and 3/4 inch into the next shoulder.
I also find tha tarows are like bullets. Certain bows will shoot certain arrows a little better. I am not areal expert, but it is more important to match the spline of hte arrow with the weight and length of cut. I am sure there are mores who can explain this better.
Big10gauge
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Practical difference? If you are talking about arrows with the same approx stiffness/spine probably not much, unless you are already have your arrow and broadhead tuned to the max draw weight for that spined arrow you may have some instability because your balance front of center has changed. Or if your fletching is mimimal. Of course you will see the arrow drop more at the longer distances. If you are shooting a 28 in arrow you would be adding 16.8 grains to your complete arrow enough to probably see a difference by paper testing but I doubt if you could see by watching the arrow flight with your eye. I'd probably expect to see the heavier arrow shoot slightly lower and to the right of the lighter arrow if you are shooting exactly center shot since the heavier arrow will be slightly stiffer. Of course when tuning bows they can always do the unexpected, Hope I didn't get to long winded about it
CWeeks
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Thanks for the replys fellas. I have been shooting Easton epics for the past 3 years. But was told by one of hte guys at Bass Pro Shops he would switch to an arrow he feels is an equivilent to it but cheaper.
He said the Redhead arrows have the same tolerances but are a lot cheaper. The Readheads come with the 2 inch blazer fletchings .05+-. The Epics are $46 per dozen more expensive when you take into account the fletchings not coming on the epics.
I have been happy with the epics but am always looking to save money if the arrow is a good quality. The epic weighs 9.5gpi and the Redhead the 10.6 gpi. I was wrong on the initial post on the GPI's.
So reality is if I go with the 10.6 GPI arrows and switch to a 100 grain broadhead instead if the 125's it will almost be hte same anyways?
He said the Redhead arrows have the same tolerances but are a lot cheaper. The Readheads come with the 2 inch blazer fletchings .05+-. The Epics are $46 per dozen more expensive when you take into account the fletchings not coming on the epics.
I have been happy with the epics but am always looking to save money if the arrow is a good quality. The epic weighs 9.5gpi and the Redhead the 10.6 gpi. I was wrong on the initial post on the GPI's.
So reality is if I go with the 10.6 GPI arrows and switch to a 100 grain broadhead instead if the 125's it will almost be hte same anyways?
ARCOREY
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Your overall weight will be the same, but the balance will be different since your old arrows were more front heavy with the 125 broadheads. Check around if the Epics shot good, you may get a good deal on them in the off season on ebay or archery experts. I've gotten some great deals from F&S discount archery. I've thought about swithcing to something cheaper, but why mess with what works /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif?
psychowolverine
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I have and do shoot both easton epics and red head carbons..
I give the advantage to the eastons in the lighter GPIs, but the heavier red heads are pretty dang good.. Not sure what the difference is, but I can tell a difference when the arrows get lighter.
I did not notice a drop difference when going from red head 250s to the 350s even at 50 yards..
Bass pro always has a sale in the summer and sell red heads cheap..
Also, IMHO, I would never use a 125 grain broadhead with carbon arrows.. Its just too heavy on the front end causing a weaker spine.
Did you say the epics are $46 more a dz? Where I get my arrows, the red heads and epics are withing a couple dollars...
I give the advantage to the eastons in the lighter GPIs, but the heavier red heads are pretty dang good.. Not sure what the difference is, but I can tell a difference when the arrows get lighter.
I did not notice a drop difference when going from red head 250s to the 350s even at 50 yards..
Bass pro always has a sale in the summer and sell red heads cheap..
Also, IMHO, I would never use a 125 grain broadhead with carbon arrows.. Its just too heavy on the front end causing a weaker spine.
Did you say the epics are $46 more a dz? Where I get my arrows, the red heads and epics are withing a couple dollars...
psychowolverine
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RedHead makes several different style of Carbon Arrows. Which ones are you talking about? (fury, maxx, ???)
The Easton are just simply made better. The HIT insert on the Easton are also better than the Red Heads.
Im betting supremes
RedHead makes several different style of Carbon Arrows. Which ones are you talking about? (fury, maxx, ???)
The Easton are just simply made better. The HIT insert on the Easton are also better than the Red Heads.
Im betting supremes
CWeeks
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I have and do shoot both easton epics and red head carbons..
I give the advantage to the eastons in the lighter GPIs, but the heavier red heads are pretty dang good.. Not sure what the difference is, but I can tell a difference when the arrows get lighter.
I did not notice a drop difference when going from red head 250s to the 350s even at 50 yards..
Bass pro always has a sale in the summer and sell red heads cheap..
Also, IMHO, I would never use a 125 grain broadhead with carbon arrows.. Its just too heavy on the front end causing a weaker spine.
Did you say the epics are $46 more a dz? Where I get my arrows, the red heads and epics are withing a couple dollars...
Tim,
Hey they are the Fury's with 2 inch blazer vains. Are the new Epics HIT cause the ones from 2 years ago were not.
psychowolverine,
Yes the Redheads at Bass Pro are $55 a dozen with the blazers on already.
The epics are $65 without fletchings on them so at 3 dollars and arrow to fletch them it works out to be $46 more for the epics.
I have and do shoot both easton epics and red head carbons..
I give the advantage to the eastons in the lighter GPIs, but the heavier red heads are pretty dang good.. Not sure what the difference is, but I can tell a difference when the arrows get lighter.
I did not notice a drop difference when going from red head 250s to the 350s even at 50 yards..
Bass pro always has a sale in the summer and sell red heads cheap..
Also, IMHO, I would never use a 125 grain broadhead with carbon arrows.. Its just too heavy on the front end causing a weaker spine.
Did you say the epics are $46 more a dz? Where I get my arrows, the red heads and epics are withing a couple dollars...
Tim,
Hey they are the Fury's with 2 inch blazer vains. Are the new Epics HIT cause the ones from 2 years ago were not.
psychowolverine,
Yes the Redheads at Bass Pro are $55 a dozen with the blazers on already.
The epics are $65 without fletchings on them so at 3 dollars and arrow to fletch them it works out to be $46 more for the epics.
psychowolverine
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I have and do shoot both easton epics and red head carbons..
I give the advantage to the eastons in the lighter GPIs, but the heavier red heads are pretty dang good.. Not sure what the difference is, but I can tell a difference when the arrows get lighter.
I did not notice a drop difference when going from red head 250s to the 350s even at 50 yards..
Bass pro always has a sale in the summer and sell red heads cheap..
Also, IMHO, I would never use a 125 grain broadhead with carbon arrows.. Its just too heavy on the front end causing a weaker spine.
Did you say the epics are $46 more a dz? Where I get my arrows, the red heads and epics are withing a couple dollars...
Tim,
Hey they are the Fury's with 2 inch blazer vains. Are the new Epics HIT cause the ones from 2 years ago were not.
psychowolverine,
Yes the Redheads at Bass Pro are $55 a dozen with the blazers on already.
The epics are $65 without fletchings on them so at 3 dollars and arrow to fletch them it works out to be $46 more for the epics.
The HIT technology is overrated IMHO...
I usually find the epics at a local archery shop here for $59.95 a dz fletched, cut, and with inserts. The ones I get are the epic STs without the HIT though. That could be the difference.
IMHO, the arrows brand is not as important as the broadhead. Yes there are different qualities and consistencies among arrows, but there are many good arrows out there, especially carbons, but the cutting surface is what gets the job done.
I have never shot the red head carbon furys, but they are the low end and I would at lease step up to the red head carbon supremes in 350. Before to long, basspro should run a special on them and can probably get the supremes, with blazer vanes and dipped for about $65 or $69/dz
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I have and do shoot both easton epics and red head carbons..
I give the advantage to the eastons in the lighter GPIs, but the heavier red heads are pretty dang good.. Not sure what the difference is, but I can tell a difference when the arrows get lighter.
I did not notice a drop difference when going from red head 250s to the 350s even at 50 yards..
Bass pro always has a sale in the summer and sell red heads cheap..
Also, IMHO, I would never use a 125 grain broadhead with carbon arrows.. Its just too heavy on the front end causing a weaker spine.
Did you say the epics are $46 more a dz? Where I get my arrows, the red heads and epics are withing a couple dollars...
Tim,
Hey they are the Fury's with 2 inch blazer vains. Are the new Epics HIT cause the ones from 2 years ago were not.
psychowolverine,
Yes the Redheads at Bass Pro are $55 a dozen with the blazers on already.
The epics are $65 without fletchings on them so at 3 dollars and arrow to fletch them it works out to be $46 more for the epics.
The HIT technology is overrated IMHO...
I usually find the epics at a local archery shop here for $59.95 a dz fletched, cut, and with inserts. The ones I get are the epic STs without the HIT though. That could be the difference.
IMHO, the arrows brand is not as important as the broadhead. Yes there are different qualities and consistencies among arrows, but there are many good arrows out there, especially carbons, but the cutting surface is what gets the job done.
I have never shot the red head carbon furys, but they are the low end and I would at lease step up to the red head carbon supremes in 350. Before to long, basspro should run a special on them and can probably get the supremes, with blazer vanes and dipped for about $65 or $69/dz
CWeeks
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psychow,
Thanks for the info. It is much appreciated some opinions are good and some are not but that is what is a great about the net you get experiences of others and can decide what will work for you from others experiences.
I may way for the carbon supremes to come on sale through BASS pro. The local shop that I have found only sells High end arrows at $85 and more a dozen. They do not even carry easton arrows and Sportsmans has a half dozen of the Epics for $40. Which in the scheme of of things is an ok price because with that purchase they will tune up my bow and paper tune it as well for free. I will probably just stick with the epics this year and see what happens next year or the year after.
Thanks for the info. It is much appreciated some opinions are good and some are not but that is what is a great about the net you get experiences of others and can decide what will work for you from others experiences.
I may way for the carbon supremes to come on sale through BASS pro. The local shop that I have found only sells High end arrows at $85 and more a dozen. They do not even carry easton arrows and Sportsmans has a half dozen of the Epics for $40. Which in the scheme of of things is an ok price because with that purchase they will tune up my bow and paper tune it as well for free. I will probably just stick with the epics this year and see what happens next year or the year after.
psychowolverine
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if you are not already on basspro's email list, get on it.. They advertise it on their and in their snail mailer.
deaddogwalkin
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I would really check the tolerances on straightness. I've also had some arrows that even if they were the same weight / in. They didn't group well at 30&40yds. I'm all for saving money but when it comes to arrows and broadheads. That is one place that I won't cut corners on. It is just like reloading. Get the best components that you can buy. If you want to save some money fletch the arrows yourself. Get a blitzenburger fletching jig, the vanes that you are going to use, and some bohening glue. Then you can fix any arrow that gets the vanes ripped off. And once you get the arrows fletched take them in and have them cut off and use some two part epoxy to glue the inserts in or use hot melt if you want. but you have to be careful not to get the insert too hot or you will split the carbon. $72.00 for fletching jig, $8.00 for 36 (2") blasser vanes, $7.00 for glue. This can be the best way to save money. Plus it with give you the satisfaction that you built the arrow that took that deer.
CWeeks
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psychow,
Yeah I got on the list last week.
ddw,
Great suggestion, thanks. Yeah I switched from some terminator arrows that I had a hard time getting to group to the Epics and they are much much better. And I wondered also about the Tolerances. Even though the 2 arrows I am looking at are the same in that aspect, it slipped into my mind maybe there is a reason the eatons are a little bit more money.
But I also got to thinking of the durability of the eastons and figured a few extra $$$ isn't that big of a deal. The Epics have taken some abuse for me and they are still going strong I just have lost a couple while shooting at a 3D target range in the forest in Utah. I think that I will stick with the epics and see what happens from there.
Yeah I got on the list last week.
ddw,
Great suggestion, thanks. Yeah I switched from some terminator arrows that I had a hard time getting to group to the Epics and they are much much better. And I wondered also about the Tolerances. Even though the 2 arrows I am looking at are the same in that aspect, it slipped into my mind maybe there is a reason the eatons are a little bit more money.
But I also got to thinking of the durability of the eastons and figured a few extra $$$ isn't that big of a deal. The Epics have taken some abuse for me and they are still going strong I just have lost a couple while shooting at a 3D target range in the forest in Utah. I think that I will stick with the epics and see what happens from there.
wishin4dogs
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Also, IMHO, I would never use a 125 grain broadhead with carbon arrows.. Its just too heavy on the front end causing a weaker spine.
??????I have never had this issue, but I shoot very heavy carbon arrows, over 11 gpi shafts. Maybe that is the difference?
Back to the question, I have no idea who makes the Redhead arrows for Bass Pro, and I don't know anything about them, but it's hard to beat any Eastons with that HIT insert. My buddy let himself get talked into lighter, more expensive shafts last year, and I heard nothing but complaints all year long. Bet he is shooting AXIS again this year.
Have you ever shot GT? Like I said, I shoot a heavy arrow, around 475-500 gr total weight, depending on BH size. I love the GT traditionals.
Also, IMHO, I would never use a 125 grain broadhead with carbon arrows.. Its just too heavy on the front end causing a weaker spine.
??????I have never had this issue, but I shoot very heavy carbon arrows, over 11 gpi shafts. Maybe that is the difference?
Back to the question, I have no idea who makes the Redhead arrows for Bass Pro, and I don't know anything about them, but it's hard to beat any Eastons with that HIT insert. My buddy let himself get talked into lighter, more expensive shafts last year, and I heard nothing but complaints all year long. Bet he is shooting AXIS again this year.
Have you ever shot GT? Like I said, I shoot a heavy arrow, around 475-500 gr total weight, depending on BH size. I love the GT traditionals.
wishin4dogs
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Check out maketheshot.com as well. They are a big little shop, if that makes sense, from Rexburg, ID. They love GT's, but they carry Easton, and I think I saw a dozen EPICs fletched for about $60.
psychowolverine
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Also, IMHO, I would never use a 125 grain broadhead with carbon arrows.. Its just too heavy on the front end causing a weaker spine.
??????I have never had this issue, but I shoot very heavy carbon arrows, over 11 gpi shafts. Maybe that is the difference?
Back to the question, I have no idea who makes the Redhead arrows for Bass Pro, and I don't know anything about them, but it's hard to beat any Eastons with that HIT insert. My buddy let himself get talked into lighter, more expensive shafts last year, and I heard nothing but complaints all year long. Bet he is shooting AXIS again this year.
Have you ever shot GT? Like I said, I shoot a heavy arrow, around 475-500 gr total weight, depending on BH size. I love the GT traditionals.
the weight of your arrow is the difference there...
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Also, IMHO, I would never use a 125 grain broadhead with carbon arrows.. Its just too heavy on the front end causing a weaker spine.
??????I have never had this issue, but I shoot very heavy carbon arrows, over 11 gpi shafts. Maybe that is the difference?
Back to the question, I have no idea who makes the Redhead arrows for Bass Pro, and I don't know anything about them, but it's hard to beat any Eastons with that HIT insert. My buddy let himself get talked into lighter, more expensive shafts last year, and I heard nothing but complaints all year long. Bet he is shooting AXIS again this year.
Have you ever shot GT? Like I said, I shoot a heavy arrow, around 475-500 gr total weight, depending on BH size. I love the GT traditionals.
the weight of your arrow is the difference there...
psychowolverine
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psychow,
Yeah I got on the list last week.
ddw,
Great suggestion, thanks. Yeah I switched from some terminator arrows that I had a hard time getting to group to the Epics and they are much much better. And I wondered also about the Tolerances. Even though the 2 arrows I am looking at are the same in that aspect, it slipped into my mind maybe there is a reason the eatons are a little bit more money.
But I also got to thinking of the durability of the eastons and figured a few extra $$$ isn't that big of a deal. The Epics have taken some abuse for me and they are still going strong I just have lost a couple while shooting at a 3D target range in the forest in Utah. I think that I will stick with the epics and see what happens from there.
inconsistantcy in arrow flight could be something as simple as a bad cut on the arrow shaft and/or broadhead wobble..
Spin test your arrows
psychow,
Yeah I got on the list last week.
ddw,
Great suggestion, thanks. Yeah I switched from some terminator arrows that I had a hard time getting to group to the Epics and they are much much better. And I wondered also about the Tolerances. Even though the 2 arrows I am looking at are the same in that aspect, it slipped into my mind maybe there is a reason the eatons are a little bit more money.
But I also got to thinking of the durability of the eastons and figured a few extra $$$ isn't that big of a deal. The Epics have taken some abuse for me and they are still going strong I just have lost a couple while shooting at a 3D target range in the forest in Utah. I think that I will stick with the epics and see what happens from there.
inconsistantcy in arrow flight could be something as simple as a bad cut on the arrow shaft and/or broadhead wobble..
Spin test your arrows
CWeeks
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Hey thought I would let you guys know something else that I found out. A guy at Sportsmans told me today that Bemin Arrows are made by Easton.
Also intersting if that are true they have a .003 and +or- 1 grain per batch of arrows and the kicker is that they are $6 less expensive than the Epics.
Have you heard this or do any of you have any experience with these arrows.
Also intersting if that are true they have a .003 and +or- 1 grain per batch of arrows and the kicker is that they are $6 less expensive than the Epics.
Have you heard this or do any of you have any experience with these arrows.