Now you're getting really stupid.....,.
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Now your .257 is so magical that it belies every "book" from every ballistician, ballistics lab, and even the laws of physics.
------------Nothing "magical" and no claims of magic. Ackleyman has built several of these rifles and I've had a couple done. And lots more are in use. It's been explained. Anyone could have the same thing built and get similar results. Even you.
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You also have chrono tapes to prove that the Wby mags are inefficient and overbored? that must be a new-fangled chronograph that I haven't seen yet /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
------------Chrono tapes are just numbers on paper, all they prove is velocity.....
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Or do your tapes show that the Wby's are comparatively innacurate? I gotta git me one of those chronographs /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
------------Real foolish talk.....TARGETS show accuracy. Say whatever you want, but It's "comparatively" at least as accurate as any other large case cartridge. And it can be made to really sing.
When all else fails, you want to argue semantics.
yep, 27% isn't 30%. I grabbed the first load I could find and that's what it works out to. I could provide more but I think it's a moot point now. You've been owned...lol
----------Yes 27% isn't 30% and it sure isn't 40%. Your numbers.
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You argued with every single point I made about the .257, then when proven wrong, resorted to personal insults and deflected the argument to another point....where you were proven wrong again.
----------Every point you made was exactly wrong. And you're delusional.
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In the end, none of the manuals, and none of the laws of physics matter one bit, because your magic weatherby with the magical barrel isn't affected by any stupid ol book or gravity or nothing else... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
----------Again, nothing magic. Even you could do it.
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I'm not really sure how my opinion of the weatherby products turned into such an attack-fest on your part, especially since I presented factual information backed up by every leading source of ballistic data in existence /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
----------You have no "factual information" of your own, do you?
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Then there's the bit about removing "freebore" in a 25/06...HUH?
----------That wasn't my post, but I agree. And the guy who posted it absolutely knows 1000X more about this stuff than you do.
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My personal favorite, and the most telling bit about your handloading skills is this:
"People have to "get it from" a book when they haven't done it. If you haven't done it, you don't know. So you have no facts of your own. Pretty foolish to be arguing about stuff when your facts have to come from a book."
and BTW, here's another of the hundreds of published MAXIMUM loads for the .257 vs 25/06( they were fired from a standard test fixture because no more magical barrels were available)
From Hogdon/IMR:
Bullet: 87gr Spitzer FB
.257
Powder: 74.5gr IMR7828
Velocity: 3775 fps
Pressure: 53,500 CUP
25/06
Powder: 49.5gr IMR4064
Velocity: 3500fps
Pressure: 52,000 CUP
What does this data mean to the Ackman?
it means that in order for the .257 to push that bullet 8% faster than the 25/06, 50.5% more powder was used.
Yes, that's 50.5% Ack! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
That example is the epitome of inefficiency. I know in your magical barrel, it must shoot at 55,000fps, but for the rest of us, this example(just one of hundreds), seems to make the .257 look like a ridiculous cartridge.
----------You want to play number games, OK.....these numbers are some published MAXIMUM loads taken from the Hornady#7 manual. Bullet-100gr SP:
,257Wby:
Powder-63gr/ AA4350
Velocity-3400fps
25-06
Powder-58.2/IMR 7828
Velocity-3100fps
So what does this data mean to the Hick?
It means that for the .257 to push that bullet 9.6% faster than the 25-06, 8.2% more powder was used. Yes that's 8.2% more for 9.6% faster...Hick.
Here's another one:
.257Wby
Powder-58.5gr/IMR4350
Velocity-3300fps
compare that to-
25-06
Powder-58.2gr/IMR7828
Velocity-3100fps
So what does that mean Hick? It means the .257 took about .5% more powder to push the same bullet 6.4% faster than the 25-06. That example is the epitome of efficiency. Seems to make the 25-06 look pretty inefficient.
But none of it matters. In my "magical" barrel I don't use that bullet, and do use a whole lot more of a different powder.
If you want to play with numbers, it can go different ways. And those numbers are just as irrelevant as yours.
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Feel free to check my math....I think you'll find I'm correct again.
Oh and one more thing.....
You'll notice that the working pressure is lower in the 25/06. That means the barrel will last longer too...lol
------------The 25-06 is SAAMI rated at 63,000psi. A couple loads went to 63K psi. In '94 when the AA guide #1 was published there was no SAAMI standard for the .257Wby, and factory ammunition tested 63,000psi......the same. The Wby uses more powder so a barrel probably won't last as long. Logical. Barrels aren't eternal and they aren't sacred.......they're to be used and enjoyed and when a barrel wears out, you replace it.
Hick, you're delusional. And when you start making statements, be sure you know what the h*ll you're talking about. You don't, and the more you say the worse you look.
