Atlas Bipod Knockoff

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Originally Posted By: pyscodogAtlas charges $300 for a bi-pod because they can. Truth be known, it probably doesn't cost a fraction of what they are charging for it. A little better metal, a little better finish and MADE IN AMERICA stamped on it drives the price way up. All it takes is a couple of guys shooting at a match telling everyone how great this product is and all of a sudden if your not using an Atlas your using junk. Look at the Creedmoor as an example. Best thing since pockets on a shirt. JMO!

You could very well be right. But the fact is if you are, they opened up a huge copy / clone market in their wake. The next thing you know is they're crying about "patent infringements", and how badly they're being hurt by it. When the truth is if they had priced it more realistically, they wouldn't have a clone market to fight in the first place. And I agree with you 100% about the Creedmoor. Most totally overrated cartridge I've seen in my lifetime.... Next to all the short fat wonder magnums. That all fizzled faster than they took off.
 
Knockoff products really get me hot. I wish I had never click on this thread.
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Originally Posted By: wormydog1724Knockoff products really get me hot. I wish I had never click on this thread.
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We are in the vast minority on this site.
 
I am just so beyond this nonsense of overpaying for something, just to "buy American". Never again.
 
Originally Posted By: wormydog1724Knockoff products really get me hot.
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Its easy to get mad about Knockoff products but it happens all the time. Larry Potterfield and Battenfield Products do it all the time, Boyds Gunstocks do it. But they make just enough changes in the product to get by the patent office. It happens all the time in the Oil business. I worked for the largest supplier of oilfield screens in the world and we copied other brands of filter screens all the time. Just a few subtle changes was all it took. Been happening before we were here, keep happening after we are gone. Don't like it, don't buy it. Its that easy.
 
The chinese firearm knock off industry is there for the air softers and guys that want to look tactic cool. Everything they have to offer is knockoffs of the tactical/war fighter stuff, it's produced and sold purely for an image.
 
Don't patents expire after so many years?

Interesting thread. I don't use bipods, almost never. When I do I have some old Harris and a Caldwell which isn't as good.
 
Originally Posted By: 204 ARDon't patents expire after so many years?

Interesting thread. I don't use bipods, almost never. When I do I have some old Harris and a Caldwell which isn't as good.

Its funny, I been in this since page one and I only use bi-pods to hold my rifles up when I work on them. Never off a bench or in the field. I have a couple of Caldwells and a couple of Harris but never use them. So knock offs or not...doesn't make spit to me.
 
On the other hand, if the knockoffs were truly as well built as the originals, it would cause the original company to discontinue production or go belly up. The simple fact is, the majority of the cheap knockoff pieces of crap are just that...pieces of crap. That doesn't mean they won't be good enough for some of the non-serious users. It also doesn't mean it will holdup to the abuse serious users would dish out.
 
Originally Posted By: billtI am just so beyond this nonsense of overpaying for something, just to "buy American". Never again.


It's not about buying American... It's about buying from the folks who designed them, not from those who stole the design.
 
Don't forget the fact it's about buying from a country that most likely used borderline slave labor to make the product as cheap as possible then use the profits from that product to use against our country.

China funds the Clintons and their equivalent and is hugely against the second amendment. That's what bothers me, the fact they changed a screw and a bolt head to make some crap to look like a top seller is inevitable just like others have brought up here, it's happened before and it will happen again. Just don't support the bad guys because you saved a couple bucks.

A harris bipod isn't much more than this knockoff but it will last longer and is better built. These knock offs are selling because they look like the tacticool stuff.

A true Atlas bipod is expensive, outrageously so, I will never own one unless I find a used one for cheap. But I sure as [beeep] am not going to buy some foreign made junk just so it looks like I have the expensive tacticool stuff.

American made products are disappointingly expensive, that's because they have research and development costs(China just copies-no R&D) and American companies have way more costs and politics to deal with. In the long run who is really ripping off who, the Americans that created a new design and paid Americans a living wage to create the product or the Chinese who copied a product and paid a worker $1.50 a day to make 50 of those products out of the cheapest material possible then puts a $45 price tag on it, then uses the profits to further undermine the original country of origin?

 
Originally Posted By: liliysdadOriginally Posted By: billtI am just so beyond this nonsense of overpaying for something, just to "buy American". Never again.

It's not about buying American... It's about buying from the folks who designed them, not from those who stole the design.

Which I would be happy to do. But I'm not going to overpay by 5 times to do it. It's as simple as that. My economy comes first. These people need to think about that before they decide to price this stuff off the chart, then cry and whine because someone else copies and sells it for 1/5th of their price. And lets at least be real. Just how "good" does a bipod have to be? I don't beat the he!! out of my equipment. And neither does anyone else I know. And it doesn't take a $300.00+ dollar tool to support the forend of a rifle.
 
Originally Posted By: 204 ARDon't patents expire after so many years?

Yes they do. And the whole concept of them is somewhat of a joke. Look at the 1911 pistol, and the CZ-75. Both are the most copied firearms designs on the planet. One was patented, the other never was. You would never be able to guess which. As it was pointed out, all one has to do is slightly change a small aspect of the design, and they are no longer in violation of the patent. And once the patent runs out, anyone can manufacture it the same way the original was. So copies are inevitable. It's only a question of time. Half the parts in chain auto parts stores are made and sold this way. About 98% of the power tools in Harbor Freight are as well. It's a fact of life that most people just don't want to accept. And we do it to them, the same way they do it to us.

People like to jump all over someone who purchases a knockoff product. They'll talk about how they're all, "cheap crap". Or else how they're, "stealing intellectual property", and, "supporting governments and countries that hate us", along with, "Buy American and support American workers! MAGA!!", and all the rest of the political, flag waving nonsense. But they suddenly fall silent and sad when that same American company tosses it's workers out on their a$$, locks their doors and moves overseas. Naturally these companies all say they are, "forced to do it for economic reasons"......... Well, so am I. It's a 2 way street.
 
Originally Posted By: billtOriginally Posted By: 204 ARDon't patents expire after so many years?

Yes they do. And the whole concept of them is somewhat of a joke. Look at the 1911 pistol, and the CZ-75. Both are the most copied firearms designs on the planet. One was patented, the other never was. You would never be able to guess which. As it was pointed out, all one has to do is slightly change a small aspect of the design, and they are no longer in violation of the patent. And once the patent runs out, anyone can manufacture it the same way the original was. So copies are inevitable. It's only a question of time. Half the parts in chain auto parts stores are made and sold this way. About 98% of the power tools in Harbor Freight are as well. It's a fact of life that most people just don't want to accept. And we do it to them, the same way they do it to us.


People like to jump all over someone who purchases a knockoff product. They'll talk about how they're all, "cheap crap". Or else how they're, "stealing intellectual property", and, "supporting governments and countries that hate us", along with, "Buy American and support American workers! MAGA!!", and all the rest of the political, flag waving nonsense. But they suddenly fall silent and sad when that same American company tosses it's workers out on their a$$, locks their doors and moves overseas. Naturally these companies all say they are, "forced to do it for economic reasons"......... Well, so am I. It's a 2 way street.
I thought we sounded pretty strong on those issues when we voted Trump in!
 
Originally Posted By: liliysdadOriginally Posted By: billtI am just so beyond this nonsense of overpaying for something, just to "buy American". Never again.


It's not about buying American... It's about buying from the folks who designed them, not from those who stole the design.

Where do you draw the line though? There are only so many ways to change a rifle bipod. They attach to a firearm, inherently have 2 legs, should be adjustable for height and possibly for cant. Beyond that, it gets pretty subjective. Sure, some may look *more* like others, but how do you objectively identify something as simple as a bipod without declaring it a 'knockoff'?
 
Originally Posted By: McGrawI thought we sounded pretty strong on those issues when we voted Trump in!

http://reverbpress.com/politics/making-china-great-again-trump-hotel-stuffed-foreign-made-goods/

Sure we did. And so did he. Then let the actual truth be told. This is one of those things that sounds good on paper. Or in Trump's case, in front of a microphone during a political campaign. Let's face it, he marched straight into the White House screaming MAGA! at the top of his lungs. But in practice it is simply not economically viable. Trump has proven that. I'm not criticizing what Trump has done, seeing as I've done much the same. But on a much smaller scale. But the principal still applies. The fact is economics control most every aspect of our lives. Regardless if we want them to or not.

We want to live as well as our finances will allow us to. Just as Trump wants to build as beautiful and luxurious of a hotel as he possibly can. The fact is by utilizing less expensive foreign made goods, it makes the whole project attainable. If Trump stuffed his hotels with nothing but expensive American made furniture and goods, he would have to raise the cost of the rooms to the point most people wouldn't be able to afford to stay in them. Or else it would remove so much profit from the venture, it wouldn't be worth building in the first place. I'm not a big fan of globalism. But the reality is it doesn't matter what I think or feel about it. Or Trump for that matter. All we can do is react to it. He has, and so have I. And economics, one way or another, has controlled both.
 
There is one other thing I would mention that is very important. And that is we are talking about 2 different things here. There are knockoffs / copies / clones / facsimiles. And then there are COUNTERFEIT products. There is a huge difference. This is the biggest problem I have with some of these Chinese and Pacific Rim products that are available on various Internet websites. My bipod has no markings on it what so ever. (I honestly don't know if it's made in China or not). However, it is a copy / clone / facsimile. No one except a complete fool would expect to pay $49.00 for it, and actually believe they were getting a genuine Atlas product. So there is no deception in that regard.

But when they actually put the Atlas name on it, that falls to DECEPTION, and it becomes a COUNTERFEIT. Created to purely deceive the purchaser into thinking they are buying a genuine Atlas product, and to wrongly pay more as a result. That's total bu!!$h!t, pure and simple. And a lot of people are being ripped off in this manner. My only advice is if you are buying a copy / clone / facsimile, go ahead and buy from Amazon. But if you are wanting to buy the genuine article, stick with buying it from a reliable shooters supply source like Midway USA. Then you'll know you are getting the real deal. Because you can't just go by price, due to the counterfeiting that takes place on several of these international Internet sites. And there are far more than just Amazon.

I knew what I was buying was a copy, and so does everyone else who clicked on, "Add To Cart" with that product. As I said, only a fool would expect to pay $49.00 for an actual Atlas bipod that sells everywhere else for close to, if not over $300.00. However there are counterfeit Atlas bipods that sell for the same price the originals do, ($279.00 to $329.00). Yet they are counterfeit, and their quality is no better then the unit I paid $49.00 for. So as always it's always, "buyer beware".
 
Originally Posted By: billtOriginally Posted By: McGrawI thought we sounded pretty strong on those issues when we voted Trump in!

http://reverbpress.com/politics/making-china-great-again-trump-hotel-stuffed-foreign-made-goods/

Sure we did. And so did he. Then let the actual truth be told. This is one of those things that sounds good on paper. Or in Trump's case, in front of a microphone during a political campaign. Let's face it, he marched straight into the White House screaming MAGA! at the top of his lungs. But in practice it is simply not economically viable. Trump has proven that. I'm not criticizing what Trump has done, seeing as I've done much the same. But on a much smaller scale. But the principal still applies. The fact is economics control most every aspect of our lives. Regardless if we want them to or not.
billt, I agree with your economic points on this post. I just hope we’re on the track to bringing American jobs and products back at a fair price. I very well remember when Wal-Mart got us in their doors with cheap American made products, this closed the doors on a lot of small businesses. Then seems like over night they switched to China made products just to line their own pockets. It’s just so sad to see these rural communities now days,most all that is left is a few dollar stores of some type filled with their China crap. It just makes me feel good when I can seek out a good American made products and try to break this trend.

We want to live as well as our finances will allow us to. Just as Trump wants to build as beautiful and luxurious of a hotel as he possibly can. The fact is by utilizing less expensive foreign made goods, it makes the whole project attainable. If Trump stuffed his hotels with nothing but expensive American made furniture and goods, he would have to raise the cost of the rooms to the point most people wouldn't be able to afford to stay in them. Or else it would remove so much profit from the venture, it wouldn't be worth building in the first place. I'm not a big fan of globalism. But the reality is it doesn't matter what I think or feel about it. Or Trump for that matter. All we can do is react to it. He has, and so have I. And economics, one way or another, has controlled both.

 
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