attn dusk and dawn hunters...do you care more about obj size or lighted ret

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outlawskinnyd

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hey now.

all of you guys who hunt at dusk and dawn, do you prefer a scope that has a lighted reticle or a scope that has a regular reticle with a huge amount of light transmission?

for those of you who say "both" are their any scopes that exist that are great with a lit reticle and great with light transmission that cost no more than $500?
 
If you are looking for a scope with a lighted reticle, I'd suggest you look through one or more before you buy. Look through it in actual hunting condition's and at the light levels you are looking for.
I wanted to try a lighted reticle so I bought a scope and I discovered that in low light conditions, my eyes put a big halo around the red part that was lit. It was very distracting and it was on the lowest setting too. I ended up selling it with the rifle. I had the same issue with an AimPoint. So, by default, I just use a plain scope. All with the Duplex style reticle.
 
Seems like scopes with 30mm tubes transmit light better? Even with a small objective, like 40mm, maybe just that the 30mm scopes are usually higher quality scopes/glass/etc. All my night hunting rigs have scopes with 30mm tubes, no illumination, they do pretty good in low light. Usually try and hunt/call the full moon(w/snow), use lights or both. If you can still see the critter, a bolder/thicker reticle can help a bit.
 
Originally Posted By: Jack RobertsThe tube diameter has absolutely no effect on light transmission.

Jack


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Jack you need to do a write up on what does and does not impact light transmission(obj diameter/tube diameter etc.) and make it a sticky. There is alot of mis-information often floated around about light transmission and supposed features that promote it.



Chupa
 
Originally Posted By: sharkathmiIf you are looking for a scope with a lighted reticle, I'd suggest you look through one or more before you buy. Look through it in actual hunting condition's and at the light levels you are looking for.
I wanted to try a lighted reticle so I bought a scope and I discovered that in low light conditions, my eyes put a big halo around the red part that was lit. It was very distracting and it was on the lowest setting too. I ended up selling it with the rifle. I had the same issue with an AimPoint. So, by default, I just use a plain scope. All with the Duplex style reticle.

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Originally Posted By: ChupathingyOriginally Posted By: Jack RobertsThe tube diameter has absolutely no effect on light transmission.

Jack


+1

Jack you need to do a write up on what does and does not impact light transmission(obj diameter/tube diameter etc.) and make it a sticky. There is alot of mis-information often floated around about light transmission and supposed features that promote it.



Chupa

+ a whole lot more than 1!
 
Bushnell Fire Fly. Heavy for day and easy to take a fast shot. Covers about 1/2 MOA which in practical terms is nothing, but is real easy to locate in a fast shot. Put a torch on it for a few moments and it will give you an illuminated reticle for the period that you practcaly need it at dusk. I know there are some who say they are too heavy, but all I have to do is hit the rabbit in the head, not the third hair left of the ear.
 
Originally Posted By: Jack RobertsI really hesitate to make stickys.
Because nobody reads them.
Everybody skips over them.

Jack

Perhaps. But, if you did a 'reference section' that had articles written by you about different subjects, I'm sure they would be the most read threads anywhere.
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if i have 2 scopes, both same manufacturer and same tube size, same reticle, same magnification only difference is one is a 40mm obj size and the other is 50mm obj size there will be no difference in brightness?
 
Originally Posted By: outlawskinnydif i have 2 scopes, both same manufacturer and same tube size, same reticle, same magnification only difference is one is a 40mm obj size and the other is 50mm obj size there will be no difference in brightness?

My suggestion would be to search and browse the internet for articles about optics and how they work. Your question can be answered as "yes" and "no". When hunting coyotes at night I use 2.5-10x40 power Bushnell 4200 elite scopes with duplex ret. These have served my extremely well as I believe them to be crystal clear to "my eyes". That's key here, "my eyes".

My answer to your quote above would be "yes, no difference" in comparing the above models that I use(d) (same magnification range) in a 40 and 50 mm and I have done so. A light gathering meter used to rate scopes will potentially give a higher reading of 'brightness' for the 50 mm. However, to the human eye (mine anyway) this is negligible and you can't tell. All you would get with the 50 mm is more weight, a larger scope to get in the way and a higher offset from your barrel if you are using a bolt gun (this wouldn't necessarily apply on an AR). Also, FOV will be identical if all other scope dimensions are the same.

There's so much that goes into this, that it's hard to type it all up correctly and clearly. Just get reading around the net and you'll pick up on things.
 
i stay away from google searches as i get overwhelmed. i just check out optics planet buying a scope guide.

i totally understand where your coming from with how it works, but sometimes how it works in test results and how it works in the field are two different things. and it seems the only people who really say that are people who sell the scopes.

for example, i was reading a hunting magazine dedicated to the ar platform. one article said how the .223 was not good for predator hunting, esp coyotes, many times the author shot coyotes with a .223 and they wouldnt go down. but with a .204 theyd go down everytime. i got to the next article and bam! different author praising rra .223 coyote rifle. both articles explained how the bullet worked and why it was superior, how the gun worked mechanically. thank God i know about the ar and the .223 round and .204 round otherwise i woulda been in a world of confusion.

the last thing i need is to go read tech about how a rifle scope works, then read a manufacturers description of a product which contradicts what the tech papers say with more technical info on why.

im a carpenter, i have a very "spare me the details mr. wilson, tell me what you want and ill build it" attitude. when it comes to questions i have i want to hear straight foward answers, but it cant always be that way. hahaha an d i guess this is one of those times!
 
Well I'm glad I could help a little then.

Honestly, this is one topic that is quite the 'repeat' thread. No offense when I say that to you. A lot of the guys with the real experience get tired of responding to these so you will miss some really good info without doing a bit of research even on the old "opinion" internet. That's why I recommed searching around a bit.

Now just don't sit down at the computer with your framing hammer too close....hate to see you lose your keyboard!
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Good luck to you. I think in this case, the extra money for the 50 is not going to get you anything.
 
actually im gonna go do some real world looking right now. my friends gonna meet up with me, im gonna check out his prostaff with 50mm obj lens and also a weaver 2-10x44 scope. theres a good spot where water reflects off some light (closest thing to snow now) so im gonna see for myself.

hahah yeah forget the framing hammer, id just nail gun the [beeep] out of my keyboard...actually im more of a sheet rocker and framer so id screw gun the [beeep] out of it.
 
im talking about draining as much visibility out of a scope before i say "ok turn on the lights" or "remind me when i go home to apply for a job as a night vision tester"

i just went to a lake that reflects some light and looked through
vx2. it was beautiful. i also looked through a prostaff 50mm. the prostaff had some more light to it, but the vx2 i was able to make out trees and certain objects that the prostaff didnt.
 
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