Bad reloading equipment?

+1 for RCBS!

I am still relativly new to this myself and am learning daily. I purchased a Rock Chucker kit and some other odds and ends and have been able to increase accuracy in every one of the weapons I loaded for. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

I got the Lyman dial caliper, Lyman Turbo tumbler and other than that, all my componants are RCBS.

So far so good! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif Dave
 
The only thing that hasn't been mentioned is durability, and/or longevity.....which I believe is the line of seperation.

Lee Reloading Equipment is designed and marketed for the reloader on a budget. Nothing wrong with that, I'll admit. I can understand the niche, and I see it's utility. Richard Lee built his business on that premise.
I don't necessarily agree with the thought process behind it though. I feel a lot of it is marketing, as the term "budget" never surfaces much.

I've been handloading for probably 35+ yrs., and casting maybe a bit longer, and I have used Lee's casting & reloading equipment with an inquisitively open mind throughout most of that time. But mainly so in the earlier years. Having no "axe to grind", the more I used their products, like anything else, the more I formed an opinion of them. I felt this was a pretty fair assessment.

Currently, and needless to say, I'm with Jack, in that I only own the Lee Auto Prime's presently, and I use them quite often. Although cleaned and greased regularly, the link rods on them have failed a few times over the years, but Lee replaces them free, and has admitted that previous designs were weak. They were a small investment, and I'm out very little if they totally fail.

I have several presses. Of the two I use more often are the Lyman Orange Crusher, and the T-Mag. I prefer much of Lyman's line based on design, but I'm split in many area's between them and RCBS. I have 3 Dillon's on my bench as well, and they have been "top notch" progressives for me....no complaints whatsoever.
Redding's Equipment is (again, in my opinion) top of the line when it comes to much of their stuff, but mainly their presses. Their price is up on the high side as they are to date, but their designs are meant for lifetime strengh and durability. Their die sets are considerably the best in the business regarding tolerances & design.

Yes, I agree, much of today's equipment will load ammo, and do it pretty well. Maybe some a little better than others. But how long that equipment will do it, maintain it's tolerances, or what it's planned obsolescence level's are is another issue.

Out of the realm for most, I case form, and swage bullets requiring a press of considerably good strength.

Most "O" framed presses are designed to be able to accomplish these functions. It does put a much higher psi load on the press, and in turn, cut's down on the presses longevity somewhat I'm sure. But, the Lyman Orange Crusher has been with me since 1982 and has seen a steady diet of it, creating slightly accelerated wear, but still no major ill effects or malfunctions.

I'm a 110% postive that a Lee of any configuration would've never accomplished this based on the materials used in production.

My opinion parallels Jack's experience with the Lee press he had.
"Buy it right, and you'll buy it once. Buy it wrong, and you'll get a second chance."

Not a disparaging reference to any other's choice, but an opinion based on my personal experiences.

Take care,
Bob
 
I use a Lee anniversary kit for my reloading needs. I do use RCBS dies because of the locking lock ring feature. I am one of those who could not afford to purchase an expensive set up so the Lee fits my budget well. I do have one complaint with lee however. Perhaps I just don't know how to use the scale properly but I have a hard time getting consistant powder charges with it. For me, I only load a handful of powder measurements and as the slide doesn't lock in to place, I feel it is not as consistant as a hordady or RCBS would be as they have notches for the slide to lock in. Does any one have any suggestions for getting more consistancy out of the Lee?

Josh
 
I will give another thumbs up for Lee. For the price it is great equipment. I have been reloading for 3 years now and get sub MOA easily out of my loads. Lee may not be the best but it is what I would recommend someone who is just getting into reloading and has a limited budget. I had less than $150 in all my stuff including dies when I first started out.

That being said I have recently replaced the Lee beam scale with an RCBS 5-0-5. Lee may or may not be more accurate but I just didnt care for the increment adjustments on the Lee as compared to the RCBS. I also plan on replacing my powder measure with one of the digital ones like RCBS in the near future. It will simply make things much easier on me. Again the Lee powder measure works great but I dont like the measurement adjustments on it.

As for the press I have had no problems whatsoever with mine. It still works great. Sure someday I will probably add another press and it may or may not be a Lee but it wont be replaced. I will simply have another press so that I dont have to swap dies so much when loading for various calibers.

So to answer the question that has arisen of Lee vs. "the big names" the answer is simple. Lee isnt the best. I dont think there is any doubt in that. Its made of cheaper materials however it does get the job done for the majority of people looking to get into reloading. My advice is if money isnt a contributing factor then by the best you can get with your money. However if money is a factor then go with Lee. It will get you very good custom handloads until you can save your pennies and get "the big names". Thing is you might just deside at that point to put those pennies into other toys!
 
If your looking for absolutly the best press on the market and have the money then Corbon builds it. This press is designed for the stresses of bullet making and is probably the best machined reloading press on the market. It will use either standard dies or bench rest dies that are not threaded. There not cheap though, but if you must have the best this is it.

http://www.corbins.com/kits.htm#press
 
This thread is timely as I just setup a new press last night...What press is it you say? It is a Lee Classic Cast single-stage. To baffle you more, I also own a Forster Co-Ax which I truly think is a work of art and engineering. I bought the Lee Classic Cast mainly as a curiosity since it looked bullet proof and I didn't want to change the clamp jaws out on my Forster to load .223 since I mainly use it for .308, '06, .260 and .243.

My first impressions of using the Lee Classic Cast is that it's beefy and will handle just about anything needed of it in terms of case sizing and seating all the way up to .50 BMG. However, it is not as smooth as the Co-Ax. This also may be due to the fact that it's new and not broken in. There is a big difference in this arena when running the ram back and forth. For the $70 I spent on the Lee, I don't think anyone can beat (Lee's Classic Cast presses) it or outperform it. I think the difference in making good ammo and making great ammo lies in the dies. For me, I only buy Redding and Forster dies.
 
I guess I have a mixed up bunch of stuff myself. I bought all of my stuff about 15 years ago. Lyman Orange Crusher press (works flawlessly), Lyman case trimmer ( also an A+), RCBS 505 scale (works great), Lee powder measure (works reasonably well but I double check every charge on the scale), and I use Lyman, RCBS, and Lee dies and I like them all. Only problem I've ever had with any of my stuff is my kid decided to run an unlubed 30-06 case into the Lyman sizing die and then destroyed it trying to get it back out. Damn kids why do they do stupid stuff like that? Oh yeah, Midway tumbler has tumbled a kazillion pieces of brass without a hiccup as well.
 
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If your looking for absolutly the best press on the market and have the money then Corbon builds it. This press is designed for the stresses of bullet making and is probably the best machined reloading press on the market. It will use either standard dies or bench rest dies that are not threaded. There not cheap though, but if you must have the best this is it.

http://www.corbins.com/kits.htm#press



I looked at that press a couple of years ago. It is the very best.
I have one similar that I bought new in 1956. Mine is a C-H "H" press that has the two hardened steel columns for the carriage to rided up and down on, just like the Corbon. I still use mine as I haven't seen anything better come along.

Martyn
 
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I use a Lee anniversary kit for my reloading needs. I do use RCBS dies because of the locking lock ring feature. I am one of those who could not afford to purchase an expensive set up so the Lee fits my budget well. I do have one complaint with lee however. Perhaps I just don't know how to use the scale properly but I have a hard time getting consistant powder charges with it. For me, I only load a handful of powder measurements and as the slide doesn't lock in to place, I feel it is not as consistant as a hordady or RCBS would be as they have notches for the slide to lock in. Does any one have any suggestions for getting more consistancy out of the Lee?

Josh



Josh are you pushing the lock pin back in place after you set the slide? It locks the slide in place. You might want to go back and re-read your instruction sheet that came with the scale. If you look at the picture of the Lee scale below right by the Lee logo on the front part of the scale there is a pin that pushes in and out to lock the slider part of the scale. This seems like something that would wear out, but I haven't done so in ten years of use.

I've been using this little plastic scale for over ten years ago and mine sets up at eye level so it's easy to see. I made a stand that holds the trickler in just the right place. Last year my cat jumped up on the reloading bench and knocked the scale all the way to the floor. It broke the beam the ball bearing rides in. I superglued it and used it while the new one was coming in. Actually I could have gotten away with out a new one, because both checked out exactly the same.

Of the scales I've owned including a massive Ohous scale I've yet to find any that will weigh as accurately and that includes my friends RCBS Electronic scale and dispenser. When Richard Lee said in his reloading manual that it will weigh your name written in pencil on a piece of paper I just had to try it. It will.

This little scale has a learning curve as it's so different than all the beam scales on the market. It's probably way to accurate than necessary for reloading. That's one of the reasons I like it for checking my electronic scale.

Here's my bench.
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This is the way my Lee Scale is set up.
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Here's my powder dispensing set-up
RCBSdispandscale.jpg


Here's the RCBS/Pact powder scale. It is not quite as accurate as the little Lee, but pretty consistent.
RCBSScale.jpg
 
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It would be easier for us to tell you which brands we like best.

I would be satisfied if everything I had was RCBS and sierra. I know my wife would be happy too.



+1 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 


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