barrel harmonics

Originally Posted By: doggin coyotesWhy don't you start using that 22lr this year? Be sure and post about the ones that run off and you don't find too. Yeah, you should use a 22lr this year.

Up to this point I'm curious as to how much actual experiance you have shooting coyotes with a .22lr?

While you're at it, go ahead and wrap your barrel good and tight to your stock and go fire a few shots at a target. You might just find something else to call ridiculous.

I just said that if you wrap a barrel you'll have problems. You only seem to read the parts of a post that you feel like looking at doggin coyotes.

.22lr has likely killed more coyotes than any other round. If the .22lr is as weak and wimpy as folks like to act then kids wouldn't need airsoft or paintball or bb wars they would all be using .22's! I love(read: am losing my amusement with) how if someone says they are going to use a .22lr to kill coyotes half the forum informs them how horrible it will be and how they'll never be able to find the coyote, and on and on....

I said it ISN'T IDEAL!!!!!!!!

And, when I feel that I need the challenge I will go a season using not but the .22lr to hunt with. As of right now I have a more ideal .243win and not enough time or money to be able to enjoy further challenges in my hunts.

You are always vigilant, doggin coyotes, in your endless quest to start an argument over a couple snide remarks or jokes, but I'm getting tired of you acting like everyone has to justify themselves in your presence. I'm also tyring of your thought that you constantly need to monitor and approve the thoughts and ideas of others. It seems a bit over controlling kind of like my last x-girlfriend, but I kind of doubt your as pretty as her, and you never tell me all the nice things she told me. Matter of fact you don't tell me anything nice at all. I'm lucky if you just post where I have and don't mention my post. Come to think of it your worse than her mother, and she could only tolerate me most of the time.
 
Awwww, Jeepdude. Seems you get your feelers hurt rather easily. If it will help smooth things over I'll say it. "You're a nice guy". Feel better now?

Honestly though, I think you are probably a nice guy. On the other hand I can kind of relate to your ex girlfriends mother. Some of your advice on things you are clueless about is a little hard to tolerate some of the time.

Nowhere in this thread (that I read) did you say if you wrap a barrel you'll have problems. What you did say is: "Unless you really strap down the barrel you won't effect it to any amount to severely change your groups." Nobody was talking about *strapping* down a barrel. What's that? What are you talking about?

And yes, you did say a .22lr isn't ideal. But in the same breath you say it is ridiculous to think a .22lr will only wound a coyote blah, blah. You go on to say how you think you should use a .22lr and post up all the kills you're gonna get, blah, blah. Then on to, .22lr has likely killed more coyotes than any other round (which I highly doubt).

Then this gem comes along: "If the .22lr is as weak and wimpy as folks like to act then kids wouldn't need airsoft or paintball or bb wars they would all be using .22's!" Outstanding! Wonderful comparison!

I ask AGAIN, how much actual experiance do you have shooting coyotes with a .22lr?

I'm going to venture a guess and say close to NONE? Am I correct?

Guess what. I've got some. I didn't need much. I got just enough to know that it doesn't work on COYOTES worth a damm. Have you tried it? How many times?

Going ahead, if you feel the need to preach how the 22lr might/outta/should/could/would work fine on coyotes because it's more powerful than airsoft, bb, and paintball guns, then don't get your panties in a wad if I or somebody else tells you it ain't.

There may be other subjects in the future that have simular results. Try not to take it all to personal. It's only a discussion board my friend.

Deal? BFF?

I really would like to hear your answer to the question highlighted in red.








 
Originally Posted By: Jeepdude1987.22lr has likely killed more coyotes than any other round. If the .22lr is as weak and wimpy as folks like to act then kids wouldn't need airsoft or paintball or bb wars they would all be using .22's! I love(read: am losing my amusement with) how if someone says they are going to use a .22lr to kill coyotes half the forum informs them how horrible it will be and how they'll never be able to find the coyote, and on and on....

I would guess that if one of the more traditional varmint calibers hasn't killed the most coyotes that it would be a deer caliber. Maybe a .30-06 or very likely the .243 you shoot as it's used for both. Yes the .22lr is a weak caliber and an ethical hunter would never use it on anything coyote size or bigger. If you absolutely have to then so be it. As far as using an undersize caliber for a "challenge" that's nothing short of morally repugnant. A clean kill, although not always achieveable, should always be the goal.

Nate
 
Darn, but I'll be glad when it snows and hunting starts... These personality wars are getting old....It's been a long hot, wet Summer...
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Personality wars? I don't see it as that. I can't speak for others, but I hold nothing against anybody here.

I see it as guys giving differing advice and opinions on *things*. Not much more than that.

It wouldn't take much for me to stop giving my mostly worthless opinion/advice on *things*. The right folks tell me to stop and I'll stop in a heartbeat. No biggie.

But yeah, I'll also will be glad when it cools off and it's time to get after some coyotes again. Not with a 22lr though.
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Even then I doubt that will end the differing opinions and the discussions that go along with em.
 
I've only killed a handfull with a .22 and all were with a 10/22 and all were inside 100yrds, and I've passed on a few with the .22 because my buddy was there with the .243 and I thought he saw them (he couldn't see one that was right at 100yds standing broadside that I still regret not shooting cause it would have won my first competition.)

My uncle has hunted them for years and has no problem taking them with a .22 although he now carries something bigger normally, and he is an exceptional shot and hunter in general. That is where I got the confidence to take the 10/22 out for them.

Also, I always shoot a second time and practice "double taps" at the range to ensure a clean ethical kill. Not all the coyotes had 2 holes in them, but only 2 or 3 didn't. My uncle would use a single shot at times though, and he didn't have a problem.

I just wonder why you need to come around mocking and such? I can see asking questions, but mocking and insinuating I'm incompetent is rude, and I bet you were raised like most folks and as such weren't told being rude is a good thing.
 
Call it mocking, rude, snide, smart azz, insinuating or whatever else you want.

I just got this hang up about crappy advice and information being passed out like candy on Halloween. I'm paying a psychologist big bucks to help with my *problem*, but she is saying it may be a lost cause. I hope she gives refunds.

I feel incompetent is a grown man that would say a 22lr is OK to be used for coyotes. Sorry, but I do.......

Ever ask your uncle why he now carries something bigger when he "has hunted them for years and has no problem taking them with a .22"

Did I read that you are 24?

You have much to learn grasshopper. Much to learn.

Now I'm done here. You can let er rip or let er go. Somehow I doubt you'll let er go. You seem like the *gotta have the last word* type of guy. And that's OK.

Good hunting to ya jeep.
 
HEY

Take the 22 talk somewhere else please.

I appreciate all the advice so far, sounds like a ghille wrap/blanket (whatever they are actually called) would be fine as it will just sit on it, no pressure applied.

I actually just found out the range about 5 miles from me has F-class shoots, and may just do it, it is open to any and all calibers. The furthest shot I can take out there is also 640 ish yards, so I can put in the time to get proficient at long range shooting. Or at least hopefully pull minute of coyote off.

So, I don't want to be doing anything that may ruin a gun I could otherwise use in this. But, I will see how she does, just joining them now, so I can get out and get her sighted in.

Again, the advice is appreciated, if anyone else has something to add, I'd love to hear it.

Thank you,
Brett
 
Quote:Exactly! How many deer do you think the open sighted 2+ MOA 30-30 winchester has taken? Probably an astonishing number of coyotes have been taken with similar rifles. True, but probably VERY few of those shots were anywhere near 250 yards! A 2moa rifle is fine for some applications like heavy cover, thick woods, etc. But not accurate enough for longer shots in open country out west.

In theory a 2moa rifle will shoot 5" groups at 250 yards, but that's assuming ZERO shooter error with perfect technique. Even the best benchrest shooters would struggle to do that. Now add 1-2moa of shooter error, or more, and that same rifle will produce a lot of misses from groups that have grown to 7" or 10" at 250 yards. Assuming you held over enough to compensate for a 30-30 bullet dropping at 250 yards. Yeah right.
 
i would think that a loosely wrapped ghille/blanket might actually help dampen the harmonics. kind of absorb them. maybe act like a kind of shock absorber.
 
Qiute afew yrs ago, I bought a .30cal M-1 carbine to try on the coyotes. All barrel to stock mounting screws were tight. But still had abit of barrel flex near the end of the forearm stock.

Well every season I'd tape my rifles[no matter which rifle] white. To blend in with the Winter snow. I always would re-check my zero afterwards. Little carbine shot tighter after a snug wrap of the tape.

As for that rifle on the coyotes. Only ammo I could find at the time were FMJ. They sucked BTW, bullet in, bullet out not much tissue damage. SoOOOOooo, I'd unload on their carcass & weight them down with lead. Appears the coyotes died from lead poisioning?
 
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Another .22Lr argument really guys? Will it kill a yote? Yes. Is it a good yote round and should it be use as a main calling rifle? No

There convo over


Anyways. I haven't found a difference in my zero when i lightly wrapped white cloth on my barrel on my .22-250 for snow camo. But i did notice a change when we used white vet wrap on my friends 700. I think this was beacuse it was pushing the barrel into the stock more


~Bryan
 


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