Best....223 AR or Savage Predator. 243 for coyotes...

KillingCrew

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I'm entering a coyote contest this weekend and was wondering yalls opinion on which is the better pick?? Both shoot really good and I have always hunted with a bolt gun. But I just recently got my 1st AR and was wanting a little info on which is the better killer. I am shooting 55 grain ballistic tips threw both Guns. Just heard horror stories about how .223 don't kill very well. Never have had a problem with my .243 or 22-250...
 
IMO it is the first shot that kills the coyote and if your familiar with a bolt gun multiple shots are not a problem. Then there is the "Hose and Hope" attitude to coyote hunting. I guess if your more comfortable with a bolt gun it will be more effective than a new to you AR. I have an AR but other than saying I killed a coyote with it I'll most likely not use it for serious hunting. I'm totally enamored with my bolt and combination guns.
 
AR for areas where shots are 300 yards or less, 22-250 on longer wide open areas. Would use a 243 if I had a 243. I have looked at Rock River they just introduced a 243 AR10. I like the quick follow up shots with an AR, on multiple yotes or multiple misses LOL.
 
Would venture to guess that waaaaaay more contest hunters shoot 243 rather than 223. Certainly would be my choice. You said yourself that you are more comfortable with a bolt gun. Hunt the AR when no contest is on the line and you can get more comfortable with it. The AR in 223 is a great platform and is certainly capable of cleanly taking coyotes at fair distances.
 
For daytime hunting the bolt action goes every time. I normally carry my 24" 700 vs in 220 swift or 22" model 10 predator in 22 250. I prefer 55 and 60 grain bullets. I also use my 700 vs in 6mm rem as well but having a 26" barrel in sits in the safe most of the time. A 22 or 24" inch barrel bolt gun seem to be about right for me. One of these days I do need to get one of the 204s out though. My 24" heavy barrel stag has really been leveling the night time yotes with 60 v max though as of late.
 
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Take the 243.

It will kill coyotes that hang up way out there, and that 55gr Btip @4,000fps shoots flat. Body count is the name of the game in a contest, and I would hate to lose a contest due to not killing a coyote at 400yds+.
 
223 is a coyote killing caliber.

Those statements from some that 223 isn't enough is based on some kind of mythical idea.

a 55gr balistic tip is a serious killing round and kills coyotes on the spot, as long as you do your part.
 
I debate this myself.

Saturday I was hunting with a friend who forgot his rifle and he shot my 6mm, I shot my AR. I'd brought both for different situations. I can't say the AR gained me any yotes, but also can't say it cost me any. I killed 3 at 42, 150, and 240yds that day and all dropped on the spot. The quick follow up shots are nice but it's even nicer when the first one is placed well enough they aren't needed. If I'd have been sitting where my friend was I think I'd have pulled a double with the AR where he took a single with my bolt gun, but that's hypothetical.

I've been calling with the AR almost exclusively this year and have shot 10 calling. I'm shooting a 20" DPMS Prairie Panther or a 22" 204 Ruger AR. I can't say either has cost me a coyote, no cripples or ones that ran a lot. Shots have ranged from 19yds to 240yds, with most in the 80-150yd range. I've been shooting 55gr V max bullets at 2962fps from the 223 AR, 45gr Hornady SP bullets at 3325fps from the 204. Shot placement has been good and coyotes die fast.

I can say that the 16" AR rifles with standard (non Superformance) loads don't seem to hit as hard for me. I have chronographed some 55gr factory loads at 2750fps or less so that makes sense. I will stick to the 20" AR for calling personally.

The 22-250, 243, 6mm, on up do hit harder than the AR's, poorer shot placement results in faster kills. Yotes can only die so fast so with great shot placement I see no difference, its the marginal hits that it shows on. I do know that the 70gr or bigger varmint bullets will flat wreck a cat at high velocity. I would hate to be in a contest with a 243 loaded with 75gr V max bullets and have a bobcat step out at 80yds, I know what the end result of that is.

I'd say consider what your average and max shot range is. Look at the wind predictions for the day of the contest. Look at what your partner will be shooting, and what your strengths and weaknesses are as a team. Take what best fits the situation. I don't know that there is a wrong or right answer. The more powerful bolt gun is more likely to anchor the first yote, but this is mating season and I feel like the AR gives me a better chance at pulling a double.

I guess my final thought would be shoot the bolt gun it it's what you are used to. It took me a while to get onto the AR platform and shoot it close to as well as I can the bolt rifles. I practiced a lot to get to where I am comfortable with them. Also make sure you measure your scope height on the AR and make the necessary adjustments to your zero.

Hopefully the bugs will be worked out of the 22 Nosler by next calling season and I can build an extremely accurate, midweight, 22" upper in that caliber and not have to debate this. I'll just shoot whatever good 55-60gr bullet shoots the best at 3450fps or so and split the difference.
 
.223 will kill a coyote just fine, but a .243 puts them down on the spot. If its a contest and you have to turn them in anyway, who cares about big holes. I'd take the .243 so you don't have to spend any precious time tracking runners.
 
My choice would be for an AR. The reason being that last year I called in a coyote triple (at nite) when using a bolt gun, I killed the first and the other 2 ran off. Two weeks later with my very 1st AR I went back (at nite also) and called in a single, killed it one shot, and then called in a triple I fired 3 shots and had 3 on the ground, maybe 30 seconds tops. Since then I have got doubles on fox that I wouldn't have with a bolt gun. I like an AR for a quick second shot at a second critter not just for spray and pray.
 
I like the .223 NBT but if you will go with the 52 OR 53 grain Sierra Match King HP's or 52 Berger's with some powder like X-terminator or AA2230, maybe RL10 that will give you 3000+ FPS, you won't have a problem with the dog going anywhere. Personally I like the 52 Berger's, match or varmint, with X-Terminator. Not only large predators, but I have taken many, many smallish Texas Whitetails with this load and most drop where they stand. But, I like the 243 varmint also. Just my thoughts,
Jim D
 
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ223 is a coyote killing caliber.

Those statements from some that 223 isn't enough is based on some kind of mythical idea.

a 55gr balistic tip is a serious killing round and kills coyotes on the spot, as long as you do your part.

My thought exactly. Sure 22-250's and 243's whack them good but a 223 is a [beeep] of coyote round with a shot in the vitals. I always wonder when people say 223 is not a good round where exactly they are hitting them.
 
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