Black Coyote or Domestic Dog??? TrailCam pics!
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kasper2254
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dont matter what it is, id still shoot it. if it aint got a collar and your not hunting around a close town or something then shoot it and then youll find out. its worth the chance at getting an awesome black coyote.
catwhacker
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HEY, That's my dog!!! Whats he doing out in Nebraska??? Dang, I've got to get him neutered!
CoyoteCraze
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JP, there are still 2 spots left in the contest.
People have been reporting seeing a black wolf, black coyote, etc. in this area for the last 3-4 years. The rancher actually called me last spring and thought that it killed a calf. He wasn't for sure but jumped it off the calf carcass the next morning when he went out to check the herd. I didn't have a chance to get out there so I didn't see for myself.
I agree that it's just a wild dog that had been running with coyotes for the last several years.
People have been reporting seeing a black wolf, black coyote, etc. in this area for the last 3-4 years. The rancher actually called me last spring and thought that it killed a calf. He wasn't for sure but jumped it off the calf carcass the next morning when he went out to check the herd. I didn't have a chance to get out there so I didn't see for myself.
I agree that it's just a wild dog that had been running with coyotes for the last several years.
NM_HighPlains
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Originally Posted By: RJM AcresI'm feeling an urge to go out and dye all my dogs bright hunter orange.
When I first got to the ranch 15 years ago, my neighbors had these Great Pyrenees dogs working their sheep. The dogs would frequently leave the sheep and I'd find them 2 miles away in my pasture. They weren't causing any trouble but they weren't doing their job either. Well, one day while I was out "doctoring" sick cattle, I ran across them a couple miles from the sheep, so I called them over and used my marking stick to put a big orange stripe right down the middle of their white foreheads. Then I sent them home. I didn't see them again after that.
When I first got to the ranch 15 years ago, my neighbors had these Great Pyrenees dogs working their sheep. The dogs would frequently leave the sheep and I'd find them 2 miles away in my pasture. They weren't causing any trouble but they weren't doing their job either. Well, one day while I was out "doctoring" sick cattle, I ran across them a couple miles from the sheep, so I called them over and used my marking stick to put a big orange stripe right down the middle of their white foreheads. Then I sent them home. I didn't see them again after that.
rockinbbar
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Originally Posted By: 454 Pumarockinbbar
Wild dogs are not pets! I guess we're alittle to PC here my bag!
No, they are not. I thought I explained myself, too. Feral (wild) dogs are problematic to ranchers, and I kill them where I see them, and no regrets....
BUT, there's posts about shooting PETS that may have been called away from their homes, or strayed into the hunting area. See the difference?
I know I have been set up a mile or so out of town before, and called in doogs from town. I didn't shoot them. They were following their instincts coming to the call just as my dogs would. The dogs would not have even been in my stand if I had not called them up....
I darn sure wasn't going to shoot them. I'm sure some owner was glad to see them when they came home.
I frankly don't care if you think we are being too PC here or not. That's the direction this site will stay. It would not be optimum for our sport to have posts, pictures, or anthing else add to the bag of ammo our detractors would use against us come from our site.
Once again. To clarify....If a dog, whether it is feral or otherwise that is killing livestock, needs to be killed. If you are calling and a pet dog comes to the call, it's not in anyone's best interest to talk about killing it just because they have it in their sights. They may be the entire reason the dog is there in the first place.
Even when you are in the right, things CAN get costly. Huntsman22 had a brother in Colorado find out that very thing. He shot dogs that were clearly within his right to shoot, and was promptly arrested and charged with felony cruelty to animals. It cost him 10's of thousands of dollars to stay out of jail & not have a criminal record that would keep him from hunting or owning a firearm the rest of his life....
I believe the details are pretty correct about that related above, but you can check with Don (Huntsman22) and see for yourself.
If we are to maintain any sort of credibility as an organization that promotes our sport in a positive manner to public, then we all need to consider what side effects our post can have. A little common sense goes a long ways.
Barry
Wild dogs are not pets! I guess we're alittle to PC here my bag!
No, they are not. I thought I explained myself, too. Feral (wild) dogs are problematic to ranchers, and I kill them where I see them, and no regrets....
BUT, there's posts about shooting PETS that may have been called away from their homes, or strayed into the hunting area. See the difference?
I know I have been set up a mile or so out of town before, and called in doogs from town. I didn't shoot them. They were following their instincts coming to the call just as my dogs would. The dogs would not have even been in my stand if I had not called them up....
I frankly don't care if you think we are being too PC here or not. That's the direction this site will stay. It would not be optimum for our sport to have posts, pictures, or anthing else add to the bag of ammo our detractors would use against us come from our site.
Once again. To clarify....If a dog, whether it is feral or otherwise that is killing livestock, needs to be killed. If you are calling and a pet dog comes to the call, it's not in anyone's best interest to talk about killing it just because they have it in their sights. They may be the entire reason the dog is there in the first place.
Even when you are in the right, things CAN get costly. Huntsman22 had a brother in Colorado find out that very thing. He shot dogs that were clearly within his right to shoot, and was promptly arrested and charged with felony cruelty to animals. It cost him 10's of thousands of dollars to stay out of jail & not have a criminal record that would keep him from hunting or owning a firearm the rest of his life....
I believe the details are pretty correct about that related above, but you can check with Don (Huntsman22) and see for yourself.
If we are to maintain any sort of credibility as an organization that promotes our sport in a positive manner to public, then we all need to consider what side effects our post can have. A little common sense goes a long ways.
Barry
Heretic
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Originally Posted By: CoyoteCrazeAt the time, it was running with a normal looking coyote. They both sat on the hill and howled at us when they saw us walking into the stand.
Looks like a dog to me. I had a similar looking dog (not exact) growing up on Long Island, NY. (I know, not near Nebraska!)
However, that it runs with Coyotes would indicate a kinship or it being a feral dog. Post up if you shoot it.
Looks like a dog to me. I had a similar looking dog (not exact) growing up on Long Island, NY. (I know, not near Nebraska!)
However, that it runs with Coyotes would indicate a kinship or it being a feral dog. Post up if you shoot it.
getemclose
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Originally Posted By: lon0121
i bet if you whistle or call the darn thing it would run right up to you!
I HIGHLY doubt that...
i bet if you whistle or call the darn thing it would run right up to you!
I HIGHLY doubt that...
masshunter
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Dogs, just like some of us, get a wild hair sometimes and just take off. I have called in some dogs, including a big Dobie wearing a blue jacket, usually with a hiker not too far off. My own dog sometimes runs ahead of me,not far, but out of sight. A fellow just over the line in Vt just had his bear hound shot from a tree stand, and is prosecuting, & I don't blame him one bit. Being a little "PC" is fine with me, we have too much to lose.
vix
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While reading this I'm looking across the room at my wife Czech bloodline German shepherd dog, a 65lb. female. The dog is a "dark sable" color. This is light under coat with black tipped hairs overall Looks dark brown to black and she can look very "Coyote like". She is skinny and has kind of a bushy tail with an upward curve.
Looking at the pics posted I have to vote for Coy-dog.
If it is a dog in the pics it has been established that the "dog" in question has been "running" with coyotes for quite some time making it feral and a danger to people and livestock...
I have passed up shots on domestic dags that have responded to my calling on more than one occasion. But in this case guilt by long association seems likely.
Looking at the pics posted I have to vote for Coy-dog.
If it is a dog in the pics it has been established that the "dog" in question has been "running" with coyotes for quite some time making it feral and a danger to people and livestock...
I have passed up shots on domestic dags that have responded to my calling on more than one occasion. But in this case guilt by long association seems likely.
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lon0121
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Originally Posted By: getemcloseOriginally Posted By: lon0121
i bet if you whistle or call the darn thing it would run right up to you!
I HIGHLY doubt that...
it was an emphasize statement on the fact that i think its someones pet that never had a collar! if it is anything at all wild, it would be just a wild house dog! imo
i bet if you whistle or call the darn thing it would run right up to you!
I HIGHLY doubt that...
it was an emphasize statement on the fact that i think its someones pet that never had a collar! if it is anything at all wild, it would be just a wild house dog! imo
RJM Acres
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Originally Posted By: NM_HighPlainsOriginally Posted By: RJM AcresI'm feeling an urge to go out and dye all my dogs bright hunter orange.
When I first got to the ranch 15 years ago, my neighbors had these Great Pyrenees dogs working their sheep. The dogs would frequently leave the sheep and I'd find them 2 miles away in my pasture. They weren't causing any trouble but they weren't doing their job either. Well, one day while I was out "doctoring" sick cattle, I ran across them a couple miles from the sheep, so I called them over and used my marking stick to put a big orange stripe right down the middle of their white foreheads. Then I sent them home. I didn't see them again after that.
Those pyrs sure weren't doing their jobs very well.
You did good marking them with orange and sending them home.
Mine won't leave their pasture and goats unless I have them on leash.
But they do leave their goats and go meet the school bus every day but they
still stay in their pasture.
Don't know who's kids get on and off but the pyrs guard them all the same.
When I first got to the ranch 15 years ago, my neighbors had these Great Pyrenees dogs working their sheep. The dogs would frequently leave the sheep and I'd find them 2 miles away in my pasture. They weren't causing any trouble but they weren't doing their job either. Well, one day while I was out "doctoring" sick cattle, I ran across them a couple miles from the sheep, so I called them over and used my marking stick to put a big orange stripe right down the middle of their white foreheads. Then I sent them home. I didn't see them again after that.
Those pyrs sure weren't doing their jobs very well.
You did good marking them with orange and sending them home.
Mine won't leave their pasture and goats unless I have them on leash.
But they do leave their goats and go meet the school bus every day but they
still stay in their pasture.
Don't know who's kids get on and off but the pyrs guard them all the same.
justin10mm
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Maybe I need to start hunting with a paintball gun.
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