Black Panther chases forester

Okay I'll say it,I don't believe it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gifI'm from the south,the heart of the Black panther country.I've hunted all my life,and just about everybody in my family does all the way back before the Civil War.And not anyone has ever produced a hide,or a kill with a picture somewhere in all that time,that just seems to odd for me.I've also travelled all acroos the U.S,same thing no hide ever,noda.
Sure I've always heard the stories,but stories are like fishing,they get bigger as time goes by and in several re-tellings by folks.
I'd be more inclined to believe that the guy mistook a big black yote,a big black wild dog,a black hog,or just a plain ol' big gator for what he thinks he saw.I once hunted(lived) in Bama,we hunted a club,below Greenville,anyways this guy was always claiming to see some long tailed black cat not much bigger that a really large Tabby running around,now we had about 20 gamecams up an running all the time,never did get a picture,anyways me and him was walking back to the clubhouse one evening an he ups and says"There he is!".So I throw up the ol' 7mag"Bang flop",when we got close enough to ground check this cat,I told him he needed to bury his skunk pretty quick,before is scared off all the deer,than and I coulndn't resist it,I told him no wonder he hadn't shot a deer yet that year,"He was legally blind as a bat",he didn;t talk to me again for several weeks but it was just to good to pass up at the time /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
There is not one shred of evidence of the existence of a black panther, that being a black mountain lion, in the US. Not a picture, no video, no hide,no carcass, no nothing. They just plain do not exist....period. It's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of fact. I doubt this discussion of this particualr myth will never die, it rears its ugly head just like UFOs and bigfoot....to funny.
 
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That's funny because a fish thought to have been extinct for millions of years, a Caelocanth(Sp?), was found a while back. Don't believe me? Check with National Geographic and get back with me on that. Besides, panthers use to live in North America a long time ago, so why shouldn't they be still lurking around. Just be cause they're not in your precious state of Arizona doesn't mean they can't be elsewhere.
 
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That's funny because a fish thought to have been extinct for millions of years, a Caelocanth(Sp?),



Coelocanth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelocanth (looks like someone went off into la-la land on the entry...)

It's old news- I heard about this thing back in high school in 1980 or so. I personally doubt the "millions of years" B.S., too, no matter what National Geographic says. Besides the coelocanth, lots of other ancient (that's a fair 'nuff term, IMHO) critters still exist- did you see the deep sea shark on TV recently?

The difference between the coelocanth and black mountain lions is that the former was known to exist long before it was re-discovered. To the best of my knowledge, a black cougar has never been documented- no skins, no photos, none in captivity. Not by Lewis and Clark, National Geographic, or Lions R Us. I'm not even sure if cougars carry a melanistic gene! In spite of this, I'm not going to be surprised if one turns up tomorrow. It would be cool if it did.
 
A wildlife biologist by the name of Sheridon Stone on Fort Huachuca had a couple of photo's hanging in the sportsman's center advising ALL HUNTERS that this was not legal game, but a protected species. The photo's were of a black Jaguar, or black panther. There have been actual Arizona Game & Fish trail cam pics of Jaguar's posted on AZ Game & Fish website. This being said, it is certainly NOT out of the question for a black one to be here in Arizona, New Mexico, etc.
 
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Maybe the guy fell in the water and made up the story to keep from looking stupid.

But I have seen pics of very dark jags.

Some "true idiot" might have lost or released one of these?

Three 44s
 
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While taking a break near the river bank, Fletcher heard rustling in the woods ..........................When he stood up,....



Things look bigger when you're sitting down.
I called in a bobcat real close to my feet the other day. I was sitting. It looked HUGE. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Splash.
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We do have panthers in our precious state of Arizona, along with half the rest of the country that has them. A panther is another word, like puma,catamount etc, that all mean the same thing to most of us, it's called a mountain lion. There are no black panthers. Spotted cats can rarely have a melanistic phase, so yes, a jag could look almost black, but the discussion has been about black mountain lions, sometimes called a panther. Find a photo,a hide,skin,mount anything........you can't, because one doesn't exist.
 
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We do have panthers in our precious state of Arizona, along with half the rest of the country that has them. A panther is another word, like puma,catamount etc, that all mean the same thing to most of us, it's called a mountain lion. There are no black panthers. Spotted cats can rarely have a melanistic phase, so yes, a jag could look almost black, but the discussion has been about black mountain lions, sometimes called a panther. Find a photo,a hide,skin,mount anything........you can't, because one doesn't exist.



Finally! Photographic evidence!
Puma-024.jpg


/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gifSorry, somebody had to do it!
 
I can't believe everybody is still arguing about this when you should all be laughing at the witty joke I made at the beginning of this thread. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Take a page outta PHNXCallers book and everybody relax and have a good time. Life's too short to argue with brothers.
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I've never been able to get a game warden to admit that there are cougar (mountain lion) in Virginia, yet my neighbor saw one, not to mention several other people around here that know what a cougar is. People have been reporting seeing them for many years. But, the game commission is quick to say that if you see one, you better not kill it. Hmmm. Makes one wonder.
 
well guys look it up on the web they have a black cat in the jungles in south america.
Well they say we don't have crocs here we have aligators. crocs are in africa and australia. Hmm isn't that funny they do show up once in awhile along the east coast. they had one last year on the news that showed up on the east coast they say swam across the pacific. Hmmm a croc swimming the pacific. how could that be. there is lots of open space from south america to the united states.
I live in the middle of eastern washington only farms and scabrock. Only desart,and dryland wheat for 100 miles hmm we had a picture of a black bear cub in our local paper that the game department had to come and get. It was in someones tree. Oh ya we had a moose 2 years ago out here at one of the lakes in the scabrock. over 100 miles from where they are supposeto be around spokane. in the forest hmm must have been aliens that put them here or maybe it was really a black cat in a tree and a lab swimming at the lake those pictures do lie sometimes. hmmmmm
 
Every year about the end of Aug. someone claims to have seen a black panther somewhere within a few miles of my place. Ive never seen one or anything like that. but it does seem to keep the black berry pickers out of some of the better spots,,, HMMM
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well guys look it up on the web they have a black cat in the jungles in south america.



The problem with all this is that black bears are common, crocodiles are common, moose are common. Even in the heart of their territory, jaguars are rare and melanistic jaguars are rare among jaguars. So, if people are seeing black jaguars in the eastern U.S., then I would sort of expect to see at least a couple of regular jags every now and then. If we were seeing reports of yellow/black jaguars, then I could believe the black ones a little bit easier. But no, it's always a black panther.

Weird things do happen, no question. In 1988, I was flying my falcon out in the plains of NM when I spotted a large bird on the horizon coming our direction. My wife- an excellent birder- was with me and I said "A magnificent frigatebird!". I spent 4 years in Hawaii and frigatebird are common there, and they have a very unique profile when flying. This was a frigatebird. It came right overhead about 100' up and we clearly saw the red throat pouch, and really long beak...there's just no mistaking them for anything else. Turns out that was the 4th sighting in New Mexico since the early 1800's! Check the range on the frigatebird and you'll see how unusual that is.

I personally have talked to people here who say that they saw lions in the deep mesa country around Mosquero. Not mountain lions. African lions. TWO of them! How would you like to be out coyote calling and have a couple of Tsavo offspring round the bend in front of you?
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Black panthers:
http://www.agarman.dial.pipex.com/bco/fact2.htm

http://www.cryptozoology.com/articles/bigcats.php
http://www.cryptozoology.com/sightings/sightings_show.php?id=1591
http://www.cryptozoology.com/forum/topic_view_thread.php?tid=22&pid=436194

Tons of stuff out there: Google "melanistic black panther puma cougar"

It's a fun discussion...
 
I did some reading last year from some of Dr. Leonard Rue III about deer and predation. Seems like I read that there are several sub-species of the wolves and coyotes with a fairly recent new species discovered in the eastern states. Seems that some of the species are more aggressive breeders and pretty much breed out other species or as in this instance crossed and created a new one.

Regardless, the ranch I live one is owned by an old time Wolf Hound competitor and he seems sure that we have some wolves down here in East Texas.

Back to the panther, I hear about once every 3 or 4 years that someone knows someone that knew someone that saw a black panther. I think that most of those panthers down around me probably have hoofs, a snout and little squiggle tails. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
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I saw a "black cat" in the southern part of West Virginia several years ago. I have been reading the comments about there not being any panthers in the US but the cat I saw was larger the my german shepard and jet black. I walked up on this cat over a little hill and my dog was following me but was a ways behind me. When I saw the cat I stopped in my tracks but my dog just ran right past me and came pretty close to the cat before he saw it. When my dog saw it he ran away but the cat never moved. I eased back over the hill and when I was out of sight of the cat I rushed back to the house. I dont know what it could've been if it wasnt a panther.
 
I know they exist, I saw one just a few weeks on my grandparents farm in SE oklahoma (a few miles South of the South Canadian River). I've got several Deputys and a few local fireman that hunt in the area that have seen it/them also.

I'm not calling them Panthers or Cougars or whatever because I don't really know which they are, or for that matter the difference in the two, but I know there is some sort of large black cats roaming around out there.

My cousin (a local firefighter also)has lost several calves over the last few years in the same general area, and found a few of them half eaten and covered in leaves. I don't mean new-born calves, more like 200- 300 pounders.

Heres a link of other Oklahoma sightings that I found:
http://www.unfilmable.com/news_wire6.html
 
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