"Blu-ray" / HD Coyote Hunting DVD - Feedback Request


I filmed a few hunts in HD and was all geared up to film a HD video. After reading and talking to several film makers on internet forms and Indie people I was told it is up and coming but still a small venue to pursue. I filmed a trail ride and burned it on blue ray for the guys only to find out they couldnt watch it.

So I decided at my next show I would ask hunters there thoughts.

211 people ask

126 didn't know what I was talking about.

85 new what I was talking about

6 actually had a blue ray player

1 said he might be interested if it was below 30 bucks.


I stopped filming in HD after that. Takes up to much space and power editing. With the economy going the way it is I think today's standards will be with us for several more years. Most of my sales are in mom and pop stores and not internet and most people that don't use the internet in 2009 will be even farther behind getting Blue ray players.

I do like watching stuff in HD
 
I'll start by introducing myself. My name is Geoff Nemnich and as far as I know, I'll be the first to release a coyote calling video in Blu-ray on July 20th!! I've had some discussions with AP about Blu-ray videos and I'm glad he posted this topic for additional comments from everybody.

The video is Coyote Craze Vol. 1, "Dead in Their Tracks" and was filmed over the course of 4 months during this past winter. For all those who could care less about Blu-ray, don't worry, I'll be offering it in standard DVD as well! Due to the fact everything was filmed in HD, even the standard DVD should have greater visual quality than videos of the past. Beside the actual cost of producing retail-ready Blu-rays, the cost of everything else in comparison to standard DVD was fairly equal.

Plain and simple my reasoning for offering the video in Blu-ray: because I definitely see video going in that direction over the next 2 or 3 years and and for the people interested in it now, I wanted to be able to offer it to them. Like many have mentioned, as more and more people upgrade to Blu-ray over the next several years, you should see pricing on everything continue to drop.

For everyone wondering what the price will be, $29.95! This price is comparable to Blu-ray movies at Wal-Mart, Best Buy, etc and those who have bought these in the past will agree that the quality is 2nd to none!

For those wondering if the video will be good enough to warrant spending $30 or even $20 for the DVD, I'll tell you to log onto my website coyotecraze.com, watch the trailer and then decide. The video was filmed across Nebraska, Colorado and Wyoming and serves up coyotes coming to the call across many different types of terrain. Sage flats, sandhills, cedar canyons, agriculture, pasture ground, rocky draws, as well as snow just to name a few. I do all the calling and filming on the video so you'll see a lot of new and fresh faces throughout the 2 hrs, 14 to be exact. Several of them being their first coyotes ever taken along with 4 1/2 year-old boys on the set and coyotes under 60 yds!! You'll see a 47lb coyote taken as well as a simultaneous double!
Whether all that excites you enough to buy the video, well, that's for you to decide.

As far as anybody still questioning the price, here shortly I'll be offering both videos at discounted prices when you pre-order a copy up until the July 20th release date. Thanks for everybody's input and interest and please email me with any questions or comments.
 
AP,

Thanks for asking these questions. I've been doing a little looking into this as well. This is why I have been filming in HD over the last season, and I'm sure glad I did.

I know exactly where some of you guys are coming from. I too value quality content and information over flashy produced videos without any meat. If you can have the whole enchilada then why not? While right now everyone is not up to speed on the latest greatest technology available to view videos, many are or soon will be.

From my perspective as a producer of videos I (and others) have to be ahead of the curve. It takes quite a while to produce a quality video. If we wait until this technology is in everyone’s homes before we begin our projects will be behind this curve.

Being that we producers have to be on the leading edge of the curve we have to eat much of the higher front end cost of this new technology. With all this said though the price of this new HD stuff is dropping fast and becoming very affordable. Between now and Christmas it will drop even more.

I would also like to say to those that have never witnessed HD in all its glory you are hereby forewarned. It's addictive. Watching a coyote charge the call or a bobcat slow stalking you in vivid High Definition footage on a good HDTV is the next best thing to actually being there.

Being a producer of videos I feel that is my job to deliver to the person that spends his hard earned money on my videos the best possible. High Definition footage helps me do this in a way that creates a viewing experience that is second to none. Sure it cost a little more but it is much better.

Many of you know that I've been working on my next video in High Definition. I should have it completed and available in a few weeks. For those of you not quite ready to upgrade to Blu-Ray Disc it will also be available on DVD. While the quality of the DVD will be very good it still won't be BR.

Side note: This video I'm working on was filmed with a very good HD camera. For reference this camera meets the strict High Definition standards set by the "Discovery Channel" and "National Geographic". It was shot in 60P (progressive) and not 60I (interlaced). This may not mean much to most of you but I can assure you will see the difference on a BR player. In other words if you are receiving HD programming via satellite you are viewing an interlaced (720 I) signal. These satellite broadcast are very good but they don’t reach the full potential BR disc can. My BR disc was shot and will be produced in full 60 P.

I've got some great footage as well as some great tips to share on my next video. I'm very anxious for you to be able to see it.

Thanks,

Good Hunting, and God Bless,

Byron
 
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Yeah, if it was "Coyote Rage 2" and had a BluRay AND standard format version included, I'd most likely pay $40 for it.



Coyote Rage was filmed and edited in HD, for this exact reason, at some point in time the world will be ready for hunting videos to be released in Blue-Ray.
 
With that in mind, couple questions for you.

1. Do you own a Plasma / HD TV? YES

2. Do you own a Blu-ray player? YES

3. Will you be buying a blu-ray player to complement your HD TV any time soon? N/A

4. Is buying a Blu-ray coyote hunting video something you are interested in?
Yes, but certainly not for a $39.95 price tag. That is high even for most blu-ray dvds. I would not hesitate to put down $29.95 for a blu-ray disc though.

5. would a $39.95 Blu-ray video price cure you of any interest, or would you still look seriously at purchasing the blu-ray video.

Yes it would. My Blu-ray player upconverts the standard definition DVDs to HD, which is pretty good. Still not quite as good as the Blu-ray discs, but there isn't enough of a difference to justify an extra $20.00-$25.00 in price over the standard definition dvds. Just my 2 cents.
 
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I agree with Byron and "Coyote Craze" about producing videos in Blue Ray. There is much confusion on the part of consumers about the difference between standard definition and high definition, and the various resolutions. In my opinion, many people who are considering the purchase of a high definition television, should consider buying a 720p resolution set. The price is much lower and the biggest percentage of high definition programming being received today is 720p. About the only 1080p resolution you get a chance to view is via a Blue Ray disc on a Blue Ray player. If you are going to buy a high def player, it only makes sense to buy a Blue Ray. Blue Ray is the winner in the long waged war between High Def players and discs and Blue Ray players and discs. The big determination to be considered here is that the vast majority of high definition programming is broadcast in 720p. 720p (Progressive) is far superior to 1080i (Interlaced), and it will be some time before programming is routinely broadcast in 1080p. Some of the providers, like Directv, offer occasional pay for view movies in 1080p, but they are few and far between. Another element I have not seen mentioned on this thread is that the sound is even superior on a Blue Ray disc compared to other high definition. The whole thing is very addictive, and when you view broadcasts in Blue Ray, it is hard to go back to standard definition. Another element that makes a Blue Ray player a smart choice is its ability to automatically upscale standard definition dvd's to 1080i.
 
Thanks Mr. Possum

West tn coyote hunter,

The best way to reach me is via email byron@comingtothecall.com .

Don't get the chance to hang out here as much as I would like and my PM box is always full. I do try and make time to check my email a few times a day though.

Byron
 
1. Do you own a Plasma / HD TV? YES

2. Do you own a Blu-ray player? YES

3. Will you be buying a blu-ray player to complement your HD TV any time soon? N/A

4. Is buying a Blu-ray coyote hunting video something you are interested in?
Yes, but certainly not for a $39.95 price tag. That is high even for most blu-ray dvds. I would not hesitate to put down $29.95 for a blu-ray disc though.

5. would a $39.95 Blu-ray video price cure you of any interest, or would you still look seriously at purchasing the blu-ray video.

I checked out the Coyote Craze video preview and it looks like there is some pretty cool footage. I will definitely be adding this to my library, especially for a discounted pre-order price.

For those who are not familiar with Blu-Ray it provides a MUCH better picture especially if you have a large screen TV. I upgraded our old broken DVD for a Blu-Ray for $250, less than I paid for my DVD player way back when.
 
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In my opinion, many people who are considering the purchase of a high definition television, should consider buying a 720p resolution set. The price is much lower and the biggest percentage of high definition programming being received today is 720p. About the only 1080p resolution you get a chance to view is via a Blue Ray disc on a Blue Ray player. If you are going to buy a high def player, it only makes sense to buy a Blue Ray. Blue Ray is the winner in the long waged war between High Def players and discs and Blue Ray players and discs. The big determination to be considered here is that the vast majority of high definition programming is broadcast in 720p. 720p (Progressive) is far superior to 1080i (Interlaced), and it will be some time before programming is routinely broadcast in 1080p.



Al,

Your statements here confused me a little bit because I was always under the assumption that 1080i was better than 720p. Can you explain your reasoning for your statements a little further so I can better understand the difference. I also thought that if you only own a 720p television and buy a blu-ray player capable of 1080p you won't be able to take full advantage of the blu-ray player because the tv is only capable of 720p. Please help me better understand because I am very interested in this, as I may be in the market for a new HDTV. I already own a blu ray player by the way and my current TV is 1080i. Thanks.
 
Mark, 720p (Progressive) is superior to 1080i (Interlaced). The technology was developed basically through research done by the armed services and NASA. That is why most of your programming on the high def stations is broadcast in 720p. I have my Mitsubishi 1080p set up to where the resolution that the program is being broadcast in shows up on your screen when you change stations. About the only 1080p broadcasts you see are on a Blue Ray player with a Blue Ray disc. I can't answer your question about the 720p television not taking full advantage of the Blue Ray player, but I'll check it out tomorrow and post the results. I do know that the picture quality on a 720p television is noticeably better than a l080i. This is mainly due to "P" resolution being superior to "I". Progressive is like sending the entire color picture through the air in one piece as opposed to pixels. The armed services and NASA found this out in their research to improve the quality of their photography. You will see the various manufacturers speak in terms like "Native resolution" which explains why so much programming is shown in 720p. I had a Hitachi 1080i prior to my Mitsubishi 1080p, and the l080p is far superior. My good buddy has a Panasonic plasma 720p and it is far superior to a l080i, no comparison.
 
Wow!!!...I did not know that. Thanks a million for clearing that up. I look forward to seeing what you have to say about the blu-ray player tommorrow. You have really armed me with some better knowledge of this HD stuff, so I can make a better purchase in the future. Thanks again.
 
1. Do you own a Plasma / HD TV? NO

2. Do you own a Blu-ray player? NO

3. Will you be buying a blu-ray player to complement your HD TV any time soon? NO

4. Is buying a Blu-ray coyote hunting video something you are interested in. NO

5. would a $39.95 Blu-ray video price cure you of any interest, or would you still look seriously at purchasing the blu-ray video.

I find it hard to spend 20 bucks for a video...So NO I would not spend 40 bucks for a video.
 
I don't own Blue Ray but do video production. The price point doesn't bother me on the DVD, but BlueRay isn't the standard yet, I'd still output your master to 16X9 HD and produce an SD DVD and just redigitize your show and remaster to BluRay Disc when it's more popular, you won't lose any audience and can still shoot/edit and move product.

As far as formats, 1080i is higher resolution than 720p obviously and results in a better quality picture. This link describes it perfectly...


http://www.electronichouse.com/article/network_hd_720p_vs_1080i
 
FR,

There is a reason there is a trend towards P (progressive) and away from (interlaced). As for the difference between 1080 I and 720 P...... I can shoot in either. I tested many shots filming in both formats. Then I viewed them on different HDTVs. I have also burned them to BR disc and dumbed it down for DVD. In all instances I prefered the 720 P footage. For sports you get much better results with progressive. With interlaced footage you get a combing effect in motion because Interlaced footage only puts a picture on your screen every other line. Sure 1080 is higher resolution than 720 but the fact is that on half the picture is really there at any given time. HDTV do a decent job of de-interlacing the footage but it comes at a cost to the viewer in making some shots appear jitery or jagged.Progressive puts the whole picture on the screen for every frame without the need on being interlaced/de-interlaced. I film at 60 frames per second progressive. This means the whole picture is there every frame. If I filmed in 60 I, I would have every other frame half there. This is why that video (even 1080 60I) appears different from true film or (720 60P or 1080 60p). Now with BR tecnology you can deliver this native progressive footage to the viewer on a HDTV. The trend toward progressive is with merit. Now for the difference between 720p and 1080p (apples to apples) 1080 is obviously higher res. With this being said, unless you are viewing this footage via BR on a very large HDTV the human eye cant distiguish the difference. In fact if you get 8-10 feet away from a 61" TV the human eye is incapable of seeing any difference. This is not so however when comparing the difference between 1080 60I and 720 60p. In this case it is like comparing apples (1080 60I) to oranges(720 60p). In this case the overwhelming majority of the people seem to like the oranges. Neither are wrong or right as it is subjective. For me and most of the guys I know we preffer the look 720 60p. Like I said before, I tested both and got plenty of opinions. I decided to go the 720 60P and I'm glad I did.

By the way. My camera can also film in 1080 30P but I much prefer the higher frame rate of the 720 60p.

For you guys reading this, I hope this didn't muddy the waters even more.

Good Hunting, and God Bless,

Byron
 
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Almost forgot to mention. Broadcast HD footage is constrained by bandwidth. BR is not. While broadcast HD is very good it doesn't compare well to the potential of BR where bandwidth is not much of an issue. For companies broadcasting HD programming they have (for the time being)to decide to go with either 1080 60I or 720 30P. For transmission purposes they also go out at a lower bit rate. Again, BR disc do not have these lower limits.

Byron
 
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Byron, thanks for doing a better job of explaining the differences than I ever could. The advantages connected to progressive result in a smoother transition, and that is why the sports events and other action oriented dvd's are more appealing to the idea on a 720p. If you want to really read some stuff that will blow your mind, go to AVS forum and read some of the detailed stuff there. Some of those guys are true Geeks. For most of us mere mortals, it really gets down to comparing what you get for the money spent. Not all 720p televisions are identical in their native resolution, but you can always find a much better price on a 720p as compared to 1080p. The bigger screen sets make the difference more noticeable, especially on sports events. If you had a 720p and a 1080p television set, side by side, same screen size, with a Blue Ray player hooked up and a Blue Ray disc playing, you could see some improvement in the l080p. Walk back some or go to another room and view the two sets in action, and your eye could probably not see enough difference to make you pay a signifigant amount more for the l080p. I believe it will be a long time before the broadcasts in 1080p become more prevalent. I already have two l080p big screen Mitsubishi sets. If I were making the choice today, I would buy 720p. Sorry to hijack the thread any, as that was not my intent.
 
Well, Byron might very well be right, but I've got 3 or 4 Comcast cable channels that are broadcast in 1080i and a couple in 720p and the 1081i has a lot better fine-detail resolution in my opinion.
It's a 42" Sony Bravia with a 120 Hz. refresh rate, maybe that matters. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Compared to the 1080i, the 720p background looks blurred.
Now, if you have to go to 30Hz. to capture 1080, and get 60Hz. with the 720, that would change things to the 720's favor, no doubt.
 
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