Bolt Action VS, Semi Auto
- Thread starter LUCKYDOG
- Start date
GC
Well-known member
Ballistically there is so little difference the two actions are essentially indistinguishable in that category. There might be 3% velocity difference, but there are so many other factors that can affect velocity the slight gas operation difference doesn't matter. Individual cartridges when fired can be 25+ fps different from each other, some barrels are faster than others and temperature and humidity can affect velocity as much or more. I wouldn't worry about action type being a big factor ballistically.
AWS
Custom Accessory Maker & Retired PM Staff
Im a bolt or combination gun guy have a hard time getting my head around packing a hunting rifle capable of hosing the countryside down with rounds when 95 percent of the time you only need one. When I see some of these guys out hunting with an AR and they have a bunch of 20 round mags hànging on their belt the only thought that goes through my mind is they must be planning to miss alot.
It really doesn't make a difference whether you loose a little if even desernable. As long as you stay withing the limitations of the round and your own abilities. Picking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
It really doesn't make a difference whether you loose a little if even desernable. As long as you stay withing the limitations of the round and your own abilities. Picking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
Last edited:
LUCKYDOG
Active member
Originally Posted By: AWSIm a bolt or combination gun guy have a hard time getting my head around packing a hunting rifle capable of hosing the countryside down with rounds when 95 percent of the time you only need one. When I see some of these guys out hunting with an AR and they have a bunch of 20 round mags hànging on their belt the only thought that goes through my mind is they must be planning to miss alot.
It really doesn't make a difference whether you loose a little if even desernable. As long as you stay withing the limitations of the round and your own abilities. Picking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
Are you kidding me? You must be reading a different thread. Thanks for the info bud.
It really doesn't make a difference whether you loose a little if even desernable. As long as you stay withing the limitations of the round and your own abilities. Picking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
Are you kidding me? You must be reading a different thread. Thanks for the info bud.
LUCKYDOG
Active member
Originally Posted By: AWSPicking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
I'm very confident in my bolt gun. I have been drooling over the looks of the new Browning BAR and it's engraving. I have been hunting with a synthetic stock for years and was thinking about going back to a more traditional wood gun.
I'm very confident in my bolt gun. I have been drooling over the looks of the new Browning BAR and it's engraving. I have been hunting with a synthetic stock for years and was thinking about going back to a more traditional wood gun.
GC
Well-known member
Originally Posted By: AWSIm a bolt or combination gun guy have a hard time getting my head around packing a hunting rifle capable of hosing the countryside down with rounds when 95 percent of the time you only need one. When I see some of these guys out hunting with an AR and they have a bunch of 20 round mags hànging on their belt the only thought that goes through my mind is they must be planning to miss alot.
It really doesn't make a difference whether you loose a little if even desernable. As long as you stay withing the limitations of the round and your own abilities. Picking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
Jim Zumbo... is that you?
It really doesn't make a difference whether you loose a little if even desernable. As long as you stay withing the limitations of the round and your own abilities. Picking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
Jim Zumbo... is that you?
Zen Archery
New member
Depends on distance shooting. For premium accuracy at extended ranges a bolt gun will have and advantage. Less mechanical moving parts. Average hunting distanceI'd go either direction.
Squeeze
New member
Originally Posted By: LUCKYDOGOriginally Posted By: AWSPicking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
I'm very confident in my bolt gun. I have been drooling over the looks of the new Browning BAR and it's engraving. I have been hunting with a synthetic stock for years and was thinking about going back to a more traditional wood gun.
I have a number of very accurate bolt guns, but I also have a number of nicely accurate semi-autos, like AR-15s, AR-10s, M1As, and a Browning BAR LW Stalker, in 308 Win. And like "Zumbo" suggests, one only needs one round to do the job, but the BAR is an accurate semi-auto(sub-MOA with handloads), that provides some fast back up rounds, when hunting happens. I can recommend the Browning BAR as a great hunting rifle, and wood and blued one is a very handsome.
While I love to work a nice smooth bolt action, nothing brings a bigger smile to my face, than piling a bunch of fast shots into a small group, spreading brass all over the place.
Squeeze
I'm very confident in my bolt gun. I have been drooling over the looks of the new Browning BAR and it's engraving. I have been hunting with a synthetic stock for years and was thinking about going back to a more traditional wood gun.
I have a number of very accurate bolt guns, but I also have a number of nicely accurate semi-autos, like AR-15s, AR-10s, M1As, and a Browning BAR LW Stalker, in 308 Win. And like "Zumbo" suggests, one only needs one round to do the job, but the BAR is an accurate semi-auto(sub-MOA with handloads), that provides some fast back up rounds, when hunting happens. I can recommend the Browning BAR as a great hunting rifle, and wood and blued one is a very handsome.
While I love to work a nice smooth bolt action, nothing brings a bigger smile to my face, than piling a bunch of fast shots into a small group, spreading brass all over the place.
Squeeze
I have a BAR in 270 win Safari w/BOSS and it is a hoot. Accurate and can watch the hits/misses through scope. I wish I had it in 243 win [beeep].
I just got my BAR back from repair after it stopped cycling. It can't tolerate the high pressure a bolt can. Or at least don't feel comfortable doing it. Whichever you get, I suggest sending it to where I went, to Midwest Gun Woks in Pevely, MO. They can clean up the trigger like they did for me and possibly other things to. Browning;'s main repair shop is within walking distance from there, but i have always been treated badly there. The some of the guys at MGW are ex-Browning employees and they know what they are doing.
The larger BARS, (the magnums) are noticeably heavier which is a deal killer for me. My nephew has a 300 win mag in medallion w/BOSS that is light and accurate.
I just got my BAR back from repair after it stopped cycling. It can't tolerate the high pressure a bolt can. Or at least don't feel comfortable doing it. Whichever you get, I suggest sending it to where I went, to Midwest Gun Woks in Pevely, MO. They can clean up the trigger like they did for me and possibly other things to. Browning;'s main repair shop is within walking distance from there, but i have always been treated badly there. The some of the guys at MGW are ex-Browning employees and they know what they are doing.
The larger BARS, (the magnums) are noticeably heavier which is a deal killer for me. My nephew has a 300 win mag in medallion w/BOSS that is light and accurate.
ky_coyote_man
Member
Originally Posted By: AWS Picking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one. Lol, I invite you bring your bolt gun, and come hunt the Kentucky hardwoods with me.
Originally Posted By: SqueezeOriginally Posted By: LUCKYDOGOriginally Posted By: AWSPicking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
I'm very confident in my bolt gun. I have been drooling over the looks of the new Browning BAR and it's engraving. I have been hunting with a synthetic stock for years and was thinking about going back to a more traditional wood gun.
I have a number of very accurate bolt guns, but I also have a number of nicely accurate semi-autos, like AR-15s, AR-10s, M1As, and a Browning BAR LW Stalker, in 308 Win.
While I love to work a nice smooth bolt action, nothing brings a bigger smile to my face, than piling a bunch of fast shots into a small group, spreading brass all over the place.
Squeeze
+1
As has been stated, not enough difference in accuracy of bolt gun over gas gun and for that matter no negligible difference in hunting scenarios as to time required for follow up shots.
This is an SR1 target (200 yard rapid fire reduced to 100 yd.) the 10 ring is 3.25". 10 shots fired from sitting position w/mod 70 bolt gun-5 round fixed magazine (requires one magazine reload) and iron sights. Shooter starts from standing position, bolt open w/60 second time limit. Oops, hurried that last shot!
This target is an MR-31, 600 yd target reduced to 100 yd. 10 ring is 1.75", xring .75". 20 shots from prone position slow fire w/NM M1 Garand. Time limit 20 minutes for 20 rounds.
Another string shot with Mod. 70 bolt gun, iron sights using an SR-21 300 yd. target reduced to 100 yd. 10 ring is 2.12", x ring .79". Course of fire is 10 rounds, requires one magazine re-charge; start from standing w/70 seconds time limit.
Choose what you prefer, either will do the job, IMO.
Regards,
hm
I'm very confident in my bolt gun. I have been drooling over the looks of the new Browning BAR and it's engraving. I have been hunting with a synthetic stock for years and was thinking about going back to a more traditional wood gun.
I have a number of very accurate bolt guns, but I also have a number of nicely accurate semi-autos, like AR-15s, AR-10s, M1As, and a Browning BAR LW Stalker, in 308 Win.
While I love to work a nice smooth bolt action, nothing brings a bigger smile to my face, than piling a bunch of fast shots into a small group, spreading brass all over the place.
Squeeze
+1
As has been stated, not enough difference in accuracy of bolt gun over gas gun and for that matter no negligible difference in hunting scenarios as to time required for follow up shots.
This is an SR1 target (200 yard rapid fire reduced to 100 yd.) the 10 ring is 3.25". 10 shots fired from sitting position w/mod 70 bolt gun-5 round fixed magazine (requires one magazine reload) and iron sights. Shooter starts from standing position, bolt open w/60 second time limit. Oops, hurried that last shot!
This target is an MR-31, 600 yd target reduced to 100 yd. 10 ring is 1.75", xring .75". 20 shots from prone position slow fire w/NM M1 Garand. Time limit 20 minutes for 20 rounds.
Another string shot with Mod. 70 bolt gun, iron sights using an SR-21 300 yd. target reduced to 100 yd. 10 ring is 2.12", x ring .79". Course of fire is 10 rounds, requires one magazine re-charge; start from standing w/70 seconds time limit.
Choose what you prefer, either will do the job, IMO.
Regards,
hm
tripod3
New member
Originally Posted By: hm1996Originally Posted By: SqueezeOriginally Posted By: LUCKYDOGOriginally Posted By: AWSPicking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
I'm very confident in my bolt gun. I have been drooling over the looks of the new Browning BAR and it's engraving. I have been hunting with a synthetic stock for years and was thinking about going back to a more traditional wood gun.
I have a number of very accurate bolt guns, but I also have a number of nicely accurate semi-autos, like AR-15s, AR-10s, M1As, and a Browning BAR LW Stalker, in 308 Win.
While I love to work a nice smooth bolt action, nothing brings a bigger smile to my face, than piling a bunch of fast shots into a small group, spreading brass all over the place.
Squeeze
+1
As has been stated, not enough difference in accuracy of bolt gun over gas gun and for that matter no negligible difference in hunting scenarios as to time required for follow up shots.
This is an SR1 target (200 yard rapid fire reduced to 100 yd.) the 10 ring is 3.25". 10 shots fired from sitting position w/mod 70 bolt gun-5 round fixed magazine (requires one magazine reload) and iron sights. Shooter starts from standing position, bolt open w/60 second time limit. Oops, hurried that last shot!
This target is an MR-31, 600 yd target reduced to 100 yd. 10 ring is 1.75", xring .75". 20 shots from prone position slow fire w/NM M1 Garand. Time limit 20 minutes for 20 rounds.
Another string shot with Mod. 70 bolt gun, iron sights using an SR-21 300 yd. target reduced to 100 yd. 10 ring is 2.12", x ring .79". Course of fire is 10 rounds, requires one magazine re-charge; start from standing w/70 seconds time limit.
Choose what you prefer, either will do the job, IMO.
Regards,
hm
They had color pics in 1962?
I'm very confident in my bolt gun. I have been drooling over the looks of the new Browning BAR and it's engraving. I have been hunting with a synthetic stock for years and was thinking about going back to a more traditional wood gun.
I have a number of very accurate bolt guns, but I also have a number of nicely accurate semi-autos, like AR-15s, AR-10s, M1As, and a Browning BAR LW Stalker, in 308 Win.
While I love to work a nice smooth bolt action, nothing brings a bigger smile to my face, than piling a bunch of fast shots into a small group, spreading brass all over the place.
Squeeze
+1
As has been stated, not enough difference in accuracy of bolt gun over gas gun and for that matter no negligible difference in hunting scenarios as to time required for follow up shots.
This is an SR1 target (200 yard rapid fire reduced to 100 yd.) the 10 ring is 3.25". 10 shots fired from sitting position w/mod 70 bolt gun-5 round fixed magazine (requires one magazine reload) and iron sights. Shooter starts from standing position, bolt open w/60 second time limit. Oops, hurried that last shot!
This target is an MR-31, 600 yd target reduced to 100 yd. 10 ring is 1.75", xring .75". 20 shots from prone position slow fire w/NM M1 Garand. Time limit 20 minutes for 20 rounds.
Another string shot with Mod. 70 bolt gun, iron sights using an SR-21 300 yd. target reduced to 100 yd. 10 ring is 2.12", x ring .79". Course of fire is 10 rounds, requires one magazine re-charge; start from standing w/70 seconds time limit.
Choose what you prefer, either will do the job, IMO.
Regards,
hm
They had color pics in 1962?
Coyotejunki
Well-known member
Originally Posted By: AWSIm a bolt or combination gun guy have a hard time getting my head around packing a hunting rifle capable of hosing the countryside down with rounds when 95 percent of the time you only need one. When I see some of these guys out hunting with an AR and they have a bunch of 20 round mags hànging on their belt the only thought that goes through my mind is they must be planning to miss alot.
It really doesn't make a difference whether you loose a little if even desernable. As long as you stay withing the limitations of the round and your own abilities. Picking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
Oh c'mon that sounds like a pantload! How many guys do "you" actually see with a bunch of 20 round mags hanging from their belts? I can't say that I have ever seen one guy do that, other than when I was in the USMC, but those were issued, and a bit different of a situation. We also carried a M16A1 with select fire. Can't remember ever seeing anyone actually hunting with a 20 rd mag either. Maybe that's just me though.
"hosing the countryside down with rounds when 95 percent of the time you only need one." again save us the drama. Sounds like something Hitlery, Joe Biden or even Zumbo as mentioned above would say.
It really doesn't make a difference whether you loose a little if even desernable. As long as you stay withing the limitations of the round and your own abilities. Picking an semi auto over a bolt because of the faster second round already says you don't have the confidence to get the job done with the first one.
Oh c'mon that sounds like a pantload! How many guys do "you" actually see with a bunch of 20 round mags hanging from their belts? I can't say that I have ever seen one guy do that, other than when I was in the USMC, but those were issued, and a bit different of a situation. We also carried a M16A1 with select fire. Can't remember ever seeing anyone actually hunting with a 20 rd mag either. Maybe that's just me though.
"hosing the countryside down with rounds when 95 percent of the time you only need one." again save us the drama. Sounds like something Hitlery, Joe Biden or even Zumbo as mentioned above would say.
crittr gittr
Well-known member
I too occasionally like to brass spread across the ground, especially when coming from an M1 garand.
What's not to like about it.
Originally Posted By: GLShooterOriginally Posted By: hm1996 Originally Posted By: tripod3They had color pics in 1962?
Nope, colorized.
Regards,
hm
Yeah that was the same year Etcha Sketch hit the market too..
Greg
Yep, same year this song was introduced:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6661235
Regards,
hm
Nope, colorized.
Regards,
hm
Yeah that was the same year Etcha Sketch hit the market too..
Greg
Yep, same year this song was introduced:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6661235
Regards,
hm
Sorry, Luckydog; didn't notice the thread had drifted off early on and your question was ballistics not operation. This is a bit more scientific & will get back on track:
Quote:Not much of a diffference at all...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I shot the M118LR out of my LR-308 and my M40A1 and this was what difference I got:
LR-308: 2603 fps (Average of 20 rounds tested)
M40A1: 2620 fps (Average of 20 rounds tested)
The reloads that I did were about the same:
LR-308: 2604 fps (Average of 20 rounds tested)
M40A1: 2618 fps (Average of 20 rounds tested)
100 rounds total that day. 80 on the chrono, 20 on the 500 yard range. Alot of fun
All in all, a good run.
http://m14forum.com/ammunition/135083-velocity-loss-semi-auto-vs-bolt-action-2.html
Regards,
hm
Quote:Not much of a diffference at all...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I shot the M118LR out of my LR-308 and my M40A1 and this was what difference I got:
LR-308: 2603 fps (Average of 20 rounds tested)
M40A1: 2620 fps (Average of 20 rounds tested)
The reloads that I did were about the same:
LR-308: 2604 fps (Average of 20 rounds tested)
M40A1: 2618 fps (Average of 20 rounds tested)
100 rounds total that day. 80 on the chrono, 20 on the 500 yard range. Alot of fun
All in all, a good run.
http://m14forum.com/ammunition/135083-velocity-loss-semi-auto-vs-bolt-action-2.html
Regards,
hm