Borrowing cans

Widow maker 223

Widow maker 223

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My brother asked me a good question I have not heard brought up with the recent changes. He asked since cans are being treated as guns now can you borrow one? I told him I have not heard anything regarding that and I wouldn't for now. I can see it as a grey area same as buying a solvent trap that shows you have "intent" on making a can, ATF frowns upon that.. But you can make one from scratch yourself. Makes no sense.
 
I haven't seen that addressed either.

Or, since cans are technically a "firearm", states that don't require a background check for private sales of firearms, shouldn't suppressors be the same?
 
Id be interested in more info here also. My son tagged along with a couple buddies pheasant hunting this last weekend. Hes recovering from a broken collar bone still, so cant shoot shotgun, but asked if he could take one of my .22 pistols in case they came across some small game he could shoot (skunk, rabbits, pdogs, whatever). I told him he definitely could not take the suppressed fn502 without me there. Hes 17 and a responsible kid along with one of the other 2 guys, but the third makes a lot of dip$#!t decisions. I ended up not letting him take anything because of that, but would be nice to know whats what with lending and borrowing.
 
alf said:
I haven't seen that addressed either.

Or, since cans are technically a "firearm", states that don't require a background check for private sales of firearms, shouldn't suppressors be the same?
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Technically yes, Those answers should be coming along soon.
 
It has been my understanding that someone other than the owner could use the suppressor as long as the owner was present. Could be wrong but never been checked either. I added my son to our trust when he turned 18, no problem.
 
yeah .. I could seen all the cans treated as if on a 4473 except those states that require Form 1/4/etc etc... The chances of a ATF agent being the one to ask would be low so I would say / guess /assume that say a Game warden would just breeze by asking that in a state that doesn't require the Tax documents... AGAIN assumption not a lawyer ... and I can also see exactly as @Widow maker 223 states .... so I don't know the answer to the question.. is a good question. The reason that I kind of lean towards the all being treated as if on 4473 is basically it would be Prima Fascia legal ... provided the one borrowing it isn't prohibited from owning a firearm. Otherwise I would be strong in the answer as widowmaker 223 states from his source. I mean actually think about it if the person holding it says it on a 4473 ... without them going to the shop how would they verify it... For legal reasons I would be as the source from widowmaker shop guy advised..
 
Sgt_Mike said:
yeah .. I could seen all the cans treated as if on a 4473 except those states that require Form 1/4/etc etc... The chances of a ATF agent being the one to ask would be low so I would say / guess /assume that say a Game warden would just breeze by asking that in a state that doesn't require the Tax documents... AGAIN assumption not a lawyer ... and I can also see exactly as @Widow maker 223 states .... so I don't know the answer to the question.. is a good question. The reason that I kind of lean towards the all being treated as if on 4473 is basically it would be Prima Fascia legal ... provided the one borrowing it isn't prohibited from owning a firearm. Otherwise I would be strong in the answer as widowmaker 223 states from his source. I mean actually think about it if the person holding it says it on a 4473 ... without them going to the shop how would they verify it... For legal reasons I would be as the source from widowmaker shop guy advised..
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I agree I dont see the DNR caring really. I was going to let my wife use mine this weekend for deer but... I will go with her so no clown show ensues. Form 4 cans should be grandfathered in.

Last year our local DNR officers said they didn't care about the whole AR pistol thing they were treating them as rifles even though the asshats were reversing course.
 
I have a trust set up for my suppressors and can add anyone I want on the trust. They would still have to have a copy of the trust and copy of the stamp but if they are on the trust, they can posses the suppressor without me present.
I've never heard of anyone getting checked for a tax stamp while hunting with a suppressor. There have been a few people prosecuted for tax stamp violations but it is extremely rare.
 
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