Boy Punished for T-Shirt With Gun Image

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Just utter liberal insanity...

Boy Punished for T-Shirt With Gun Image

The family of a middle school student who was given detention for wearing a T-shirt bearing the image of a gun has filed a federal freedom of speech lawsuit against the school district.

Donald Miller III, 14, went to Penn Manor High School in December wearing a T-shirt he said was intended to honor his uncle, a U.S. Army soldier fighting in Iraq.

The shirt bears the image of a military sidearm and on the front pocket says "Volunteer Homeland Security." On the back, over another image of the weapon, are the words "Special issue Resident Lifetime License _ United States Terrorist Hunting Permit _ Permit No. 91101 _ Gun Owner _ No Bag Limit."

Officials at the Millersville school told him to turn his shirt inside out. When Miller refused, he got two days of detention.

His parents, Donald and Tina Miller of Holtwood, have accused the Penn Manor School District in a lawsuit of violating their son's First Amendment rights with a "vague Orwellian policy" that stifles both patriotism and free speech.

But an attorney for the school district said school must create a safe environment for students in the post-Columbine era, and bringing even the image of a gun to school violates the district's policy.

"There's a much higher level of sensitivity these days," Penn Manor attorney Kevin French said. "But it's based on reality."

The lawsuit was filed in January. A federal judge will hold a conference on the case March 31.
 
We get in trouble(sometimes) for it at our school to. I can understand where they are comin from though so I dont hold it against them.
 
I wonder if "a higher level of sensitivity" will stop the wearing of shirts with b*tches'n' ho's on them? Government schools suck.
 
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I wonder if they removed images of our minute men from their history books.



You know it Shooter. They were xenophobic, warmongering, white guys.
 
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We get in trouble(sometimes) for it at our school to. I can understand where they are comin from though so I dont hold it against them.



Well, the thing is buddy they are basing their policy on a highly flawed assumption: that a gun causes crime. That by even acknowledging that guns exist we somehow jeopardizes school populations.

The Teachers' Union that runs the schools is virulently anti-gun. School shootings have just been an easy way to get the public behind their anti-gun nonsense. There is no connection.

If you can do it without getting in any trouble, try and ask them why they have the policy. Be polite and respectful, naturally, but boil it down to forcing them to admit there is no connection to school shootings and little boys drawing pictures of guns or having shirts like this.

More people by far die of AIDS than school shootings. Betcha they wouldn't deny a homosexual kid the right to wear some pro-gay sex shirt.

Oh, and gee, where's the ACLU to defend the kid's 1st and 2d Amendment rights? Oh, wait, this is not a liberal, anti-American cause so they are nowhere to be found.
 
Let me get this straight...

A shirt showing an image of a gun is inappropriate? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
(Let me guess, it might cause someone to bring an actual gun to school?) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

BUT, boys & girls wearing jewelry in their noses/lips/eyebrows/tongues is appropriate for school? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I sure am glad I grew up when I did!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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I wonder if "a higher level of sensitivity" will stop the wearing of shirts with b*tches'n' ho's on them? Government schools suck.



Hey I bet you a case of that cheap beer you drink you look exactly like your avatar. Based solely on your senseless post you did a while ago I would guess your name is Cooter and you have no front teeth.

FYI- Shirts with b*tches'n' ho's on them typically are not allowed either as it conflicts with the anti-gang message schools are trying to get across. Shirts with weapons are not tolerated. Schools are responsible for creating a safe environment in all senses. If your son wears his patriotic Minute Men shirt with an M-16n on it, then the gang kid should be able to wear his Rollin Hard shirt with a kid hangin' out of his 66 Caprice with a gat in his hand. In the atmosphere we have now days they all must go.

I'm as patriotic as the next guy. I vote, work hard, drive an American made truck, hunt as often as possible, and have been conservative public 'government' school teacher for almost 2 decades. You honestly have no more insight into education and how it works than a baby on his mothers lap. 99% of public school teachers are people who have chosen a career not based on financial gain but on making difference in our society by educating kids. The work has long hours that do not stop once we leave campus. We have to endure many idiotic parents that have no more interest in their child's educational welfare beyond a mandatory parent-teacher conference once a year.

We get hammered by the liberal press and ignorant people like you because we are oftentimes not able to overcome the experiences a horrible home life provides. We can't force a kid to pay attention when his drunk father beat up his mother the night before and was taken away by the police. When Tommy comes to school having not been fed breakfast in his home and has trouble staying awake during math- the teacher is blamed oftentimes as his testing score is sub-par.

Get the hell off your lazy [beeep] and be a real parent who understands what makes public schools tick and stop posting ignorant ramblings. YOU are one of the reasons America and society in suffering. You are ignorant yet talk like you know your way around the place. How about shutting up and reading a book for a change?
 
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How about shutting up and reading a book for a change?



speaking of books, have you ever read "persecution" by david limbaugh? maybe you should.
 
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They were xenophobic, warmongering, white guys.



/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif redeyeddawg, would you stop using words of more than two syllables? Now where's my Funk and Wagnalls or dikshunrary.........er whatever it's called.?
 
Well, my kids wear uniforms to school (public) but are currently enrolled into private schools for next year, and will again wear uniforms. I think thats the easiest way for a school admin to set a dress code and keep everyone happy.

As far as insulting each other, I feel it adds nothing to a civilized debate on ones beliefs.
 
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Let me get this straight...

A shirt showing an image of a gun is inappropriate? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
(Let me guess, it might cause someone to bring an actual gun to school?) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

BUT, boys & girls wearing jewelry in their noses/lips/eyebrows/tongues is appropriate for school? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I sure am glad I grew up when I did!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



+1 on that!!!!!
 
Hyperwrx,I have read your post three times and do not know what your point is.Please take a deep breath,think positive thoughts and explain. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
I doubt many private schools would allow it either.

Schools have exercised control over what kids wear since long before I was born. They can sue over it but I really don't expect them to get anywhere with it.
 
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I wonder if "a higher level of sensitivity" will stop the wearing of shirts with b*tches'n' ho's on them? Government schools suck.



Hey I bet you a case of that cheap beer you drink you look exactly like your avatar. Based solely on your senseless post you did a while ago I would guess your name is Cooter and you have no front teeth.

FYI- Shirts with b*tches'n' ho's on them typically are not allowed either as it conflicts with the anti-gang message schools are trying to get across. Shirts with weapons are not tolerated. Schools are responsible for creating a safe environment in all senses. If your son wears his patriotic Minute Men shirt with an M-16n on it, then the gang kid should be able to wear his Rollin Hard shirt with a kid hangin' out of his 66 Caprice with a gat in his hand. In the atmosphere we have now days they all must go.



First, Dawg is a great guy and as a small business owner he pays a ton of taxes (we just got a $2 billion tax raise here in MD) and, no offense, I'd bet he works a lot more hours than you do. (Just curious, how many hours does the average public school teacher work?) And he doesn't get tons of benefits with summers off.

OK, second, you say: "shirts with weapons are not tolerated. Schools are responsible for creating a safe environment in all senses." How on earth does this boy's patriotic shirt create an 'unsafe environment'? You claim that IF the patriotic shirt is allowed THEN the gang shirt must be. Huh? Why? You don't establish a correlation between the two. The gang shirt promotes illegal activity whereas the patriotic shirt does not. Why on earth should the patriotic shirt go?

In the "atmosphere we have now" I see far more harm from the 'Heather has two Mommys" for 2d graders and 5th graders putting rubbers on cucumbers that I do a normal boy proud of his GI uncle. I would also note that your union is on the wrong side of nearly every issue and takes stands on all kinds of things that have NO bearing on teachers or education. I know when I was in public HS from '79-'82 I got really, really bored with all the left wing propaganda I was being fed in most classes except for PE and shop, and it is 10X worse now.

I do not mean to disparage you personally--there are obviously still some great teachers out there--but you good ones have to see why so many, like me and Dawg, are frustrated with the public school monopoly.
 
Sensorship as a whole has gotten ridiculous. This has become the United States of the Offended. Parents have become friends to their children instead of parents. Discipline dissapeared when boys quit wearing belts and parents quit using them responsibly. This country has become so pansy assed it's not funny. I have seen kids wearing more offensive material in their Snoop Dogg and Marilyn Manson clothing than what was described above. I remember when we had rifles and shotguns in our trucks on school property during hunting season, gun stocks were an accepted woodshop project, and every boy carried a pocket knife, and not for protection. No, I'm not a hillbilly redneck that didn't receive a decent education. No I didn't go to school a million years ago, graduated 1991 to be exact. I went to public school, where I witnessed sex and drug use for the first time in my life. I had my rear end scalded with a belt when I stepped too far out of line, I went to a communtity college and hold a respectable job, own a home and am drug free. I am proud to say that I am a product of what the system was and what good parenting will do, before those who knew better and wanted to be their childs friend instead of being their parent got their way. I'd much rather see a patriotic, self respecting child in a crowded school than a Goth-looking, morbid miserable kid ready to self destruct and take all those around them with them when they decide to snap and try to be "remembered".
 
I am a teacher as well, as far as the comment about hours at work. I get to work by 7:30am and school is out at 3:15, I have football weight lifting, which I do not get paid for and have never been paid for 7 years now, until around 7:00pm 3 days a week from January until the end of July, then I get to come home and put in from sometimes zero to 1-3 more hours of work, grading papers, setting up lessons, etc. A lot of people I know leave their job and their work stays there, then there is is the paid summers off, I don't know where these people are teaching but here we get paid for a 10 months a year, so we don't get paid for a full year of work. Then there is the millions I make as a football coach, practice 3 days a week, film with the team 1 day a week, plus work at home pretty much every day from before season to the end, July-November and I amke a mind boggling $1500. I am not jumping into the argument but I will tell you that since teaching is so easy and there is a ton of money and benefits you better join up to get your share of the pie.

I agree with Corey that we are a bunch of candy asses, nothing teachers can do about that, that used to be a parents job.

As for the shirt deal, honoring a veteran takes top spot in my book. Dad served in Vietnam, 3 years 2 purple hearts, and it is refreshing to see a kid have some pride in this nation, because seeing kids everyday I can tell you pride in America is fading.
 
Hyperwrk since I am college edge-you-ma-kated science and math elem ed guy, I'll say this..I have seen and lived both sides of your issues.

However, now that I am a parent and a taxpayer, I am frustrated with the schools enough that I am sending my girls to private school. 150% property tax increases due to levies and referendums year after year and for what? I see no improvements only more excuses. I know how hard some kids try to not learn, but the only solution the school boards come up with is more money and more money.

I decided I didn't want to teach. I knew I was in trouble when I was student teaching a class about the wildlife in MN to a bunch of Minneapolis liberal's offspring. I got an arse chewing for "exposing my child to death and the morbid realities of hunting." Whaaat?? All I did was bring in some deer antlers, coyote, fox, beaver, skunk, and muskrat pelts. I had pheasant and turkey feathers, too. The kids thought it was the greatest class because those were things they had never seen or only saw them as road kill in the big city. They actually got to touch them. Stupid citidiots. I brought a lesson plan these kids may never have experienced and they learned things, but mom and dad and their hypersensitive tendencies ruined it.
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Hey I bet you a case of that cheap beer you drink you look exactly like your avatar. Based solely on your senseless post you did a while ago I would guess your name is Cooter and you have no front teeth.


That isn't very nice at all and rather insensitive to all of us who drink macro brew. My best friend growing up was nicknamed cooter. I bet you wouldn't say anything to his face. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

If a picture of a gun is too threatening, we might as well end it now because when we are too old to defend ourselves, we will be savaged by our enemies while our kids cower in the corner. I got booted in 1991 during the first week of the gulf war. I have a shirt that says "Go to Hell Iraq Hussein Sucks!" It was snow week, support the military day, that is what I was doing. 17 years later, it's my lucky hunting t-shirt.

Minutemen and a rifle stands for defending our country and a gang member with a gun hanging out of a window depicts a drive by shooting. How does that compare??

Did Redeye personally attack you somewhere? It would seem the tolerance police are intolerant. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif He has a right to his opinion as do you and I. What do you suggest to fix the problems with our school system? It isn't his actions that are harming you or the kids. It is the actions of specific parents and their lack of parenting as you said. Place the blame where it belongs. You can't buy a handgun, drive a car, or fish and hunt without a license, but you can have kids at will, a much bigger responsibility.

People send their children to private school for a reason. If he sends his kids there, he has his reasons and I have mine.

BTW, if you think teaching has long hours, try working outside in MN 3000 plus hours a year. Then I'll listen to the sob story of long hours. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

KH formerly known as Mr. KillerHiller
 
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I am a teacher as well, as far as the comment about hours at work. I get to work by 7:30am and school is out at 3:15, I have football weight lifting, which I do not get paid for and have never been paid for 7 years now, until around 7:00pm 3 days a week from January until the end of July, then I get to come home and put in from sometimes zero to 1-3 more hours of work, grading papers, setting up lessons, etc. A lot of people I know leave their job and their work stays there, then there is is the paid summers off, I don't know where these people are teaching but here we get paid for a 10 months a year, so we don't get paid for a full year of work. Then there is the millions I make as a football coach, practice 3 days a week, film with the team 1 day a week, plus work at home pretty much every day from before season to the end, July-November and I amke a mind boggling $1500. I am not jumping into the argument but I will tell you that since teaching is so easy and there is a ton of money and benefits you better join up to get your share of the pie.

I agree with Corey that we are a bunch of candy asses, nothing teachers can do about that, that used to be a parents job.

As for the shirt deal, honoring a veteran takes top spot in my book. Dad served in Vietnam, 3 years 2 purple hearts, and it is refreshing to see a kid have some pride in this nation, because seeing kids everyday I can tell you pride in America is fading.



Fair enough, and I did acknowledge good teachers. You personally clearly have a good work ethic, however I question whether you are in the majority, especially in a blue state, major metro area.

Just wondering, how do you feel about the NEA and compulsory union membership?
 
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