I might look into the patternmaster pistolpat. Is it a full, x-full, or what? Didn't get any response this weekend, but the weather took a turn for the worst, so I didn't get to test out the 10. This night hunting is completely different from anything I have ever done, so its going to be a learning process for me. Thanks for the info everyone, I will post more pics once I do some more load/choke tests.