Butch's Bore Shine.....??

Hidalgo

Hidalgo

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Isn't this supposed to be good stuff? And isn't it supposed to get out the copper also?

Maybe I'm just a little weird, or maybe my guns just don't get copper in them (yeah...right) but all I ever get out of my barrels with Butch's is a black patch, never any blue deposits. Do I need to go to another copper solvent? Or am I just a little uneducated about this? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
It can depend on a lot of things. You may have a bore that doesn't copper foul much.

OTOH, you may need to allow the solvent a little "dwell time" to get rid of the copper.

For "solvent" type cleaners, I like Montana Extreme. Run a couple saturated patches wrapped around a borebrush to knock out the majority of the carbon fouling, then dry patch the bore. Run another MT saturated patch through the bore and let it soak for anywhere between 15 minutes to an hour. You'll probably pick up some blue then, or if things are nice, a light shade of green. After cleaning the bore with one of the agressive solvents, I like to flush it with CRC BrakeClean, then run a patch lightly wetted with Tetra Gun Lube.

About the best copper remover on the market (if you have time for it) is an overnight soak in WipeOut Foaming Bore Cleaner.

I own a Hawkeye borescope and have examined a lot of bores. If you have the time to wait, you can't beat WipeOut.

If you don't have much time, GM Top Engine Cleaner removes baked on carbon fast, then you can knock out the copper with Iosso bore paste, or KG Industries KG-2. Works like a charm, and no bore damage.

Mike
 
Butch's will work and I have seen blue from my dirtiest barrels. However, it takes a little time to really gte it clean and sometimes several uses. I have tried it in conjunction with CLP Foaming Bore Cleaner and the foam gets blue out that I never saw with Butch's. I still think it's a good clener though for powder and occasional copper fouling.
 
Sweets is great for copper. It is no good for powder fouling but once you get the powder fouling off the copper, Sweets will take care of the copper.

And like others have said; If you don't use a borescope, you are just guessing.

Jack
 
use a copper solvent FIRST. Wipe-out or montana extreme 50bmg. THEN use your Butches bore shine as it is an abrasive better suited to breaking down hard carbon fouling moreso than scrubbing away a metal such as copper. There is no ONE chemical that does it all,..you will wind up using copper solvents, and things for powder fouling.

Wipe-out is possibly the best of both worlds,...but you have to let it do it's job for the 24hr period suggested on the can. You want to see some blue??,.........wipe the drips coming out the wipe-out barrel after 8-10hrs onto a new clean patch. Looks like you tried to clean up a blue ink spill.
 
Butch's isn't an abrasive. It's a solvent. It does a fair job at copper fouling.

You want to use your powder solvent first, then your copper remover. Run another application of powder solvent and another copper remover.

The foaming cleaners are good. For copper it's about all I use since the smell of Sweets can be a bit overpowering to me. The Hoppes Elite works well for carbon fouling, but I don't find it any more effective at copper than Butch's. But the Hoppes Elite is non-toxic and doesn't have a harsh odor so I'm safe to use it indoors around the family. Firepower FP7 is very good and getting rid of powder fouling, typically getting stuff out after others keep showing clean.
 
correct,..I was thinking JB's bore paste.

I will stand by the wipe-out or ME 50bmg first. I use very light lapping compound if hard carbon shows up.
 
Just my 2 cents I have had better luck with Butches than sweets latley. Although I dont know if sweets has a very long shelf life or not. My last bottle was about 5 years old.
 
I agree. WipeOut works. Montana Extreme products, either standard or the .50 BMG stuff, works very well, also.

I will, when in a hurry, use Iosso borepaste(a mild abrasive, more mild than the JB compounds) or KG-2 (an even more mild abrasive), and they do a very good job.

And Jack's right....without a borescope (not borelight),there's no way to tell how effective your cleaning products/methods are. I quit using Sweet's a few years ago when it turned out that the patches don't always turn blue, even in what turned out to be a terribly copper fouled bore.

I've owned a borescope for a little over two years now, and I've examined a lot of bores for shooting buddies, plus, of course, my own. One thing I've learned is that WipeOut works.....every time. Dwell time may vary, but it will do the job. Getting rid of the carbon first helps WipeOut work faster. General Motors Top Engine Cleaner, or KG-1, both do outstanding jobs removing stubborn carbon deposits.

Mike
 


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