CA D8 Buck 10-23-10

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sumrifle

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Well my California Deer Season was fast approaching the end and I had seen very few Deer all year. The season would end Sunday 10-24 and I planned on hunting Saturday and Sunday.

Well I did not have to hunt Sunday because Saturday at 1650 hours I shot a little Forked Horn Buck. I hunted with a young up and coming hunter named Dylan but all we saw was 4 Doe all day. That is until we found this guy with 2 more Bucks, 1 with 4" spikes and 1 with 8"-10" spikes.

I shot the Forkie and my season was over one day before the official end. Thanks Dylan for the help and for snapping some pictures.

Here he shows his little rack.
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And the Forkie is down!
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Happy Hunter 10-23-10
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Just say "NO!" to Crack. Thanks Dylan!
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Cutting out the Butt
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Here he is hanging. See the bloodshot meat from my less than ideal shot placement.
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I know it is a tiny Buck but come on... 46 looks and not one comment? You can point at me and laugh if you want.

It is my 4th Buck in 4 years so I am on a roll. Also my daughter has gotten 2 Deer in the last 3 seasons so our freezer has been full.
 
Nothing wrong with the deer or the success... IMHO, the young tender ones taste better every time...Not everyone goes after the 'trophy' ones...
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Believe me if I would have seen a bigger one I would have tried to shoot it. This is what I found and I am glad I got it. Deer hunting around here is tough. I see 100 Does for every Buck I see.
 
Ya cant eat the antlers anyway!! I bet you could take those antlers and a little time and make some sweet calls out of them. Then you could take the calls and some good tender deer jerky out in the field and have a nice snack while your calling in some sounddogs!!
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Nice buck...its not how big the buck is its how big of time you had on the hunt and the memories made. Congrats!

Jay
 
Originally Posted By: bownutpardon my ignorance, but is that a mulie or blacktail? Regardless, I agree, he should be quite tasty!

Well both really.
It is a Mule Deer.
Mule Deer are Blacktails.
 
uh-oh, I sense a little controversy? maybe? mule deer is black tail, or, is it a derivative of mule deer?

Curious.................
 
Blacktail or Mule Deer?

BLacktailed deer in Sonoma County, CAlifornia, Photo By John C. MartinCalifornia is one of the three lower 48 states that is home to the Columbian Blacktail Deer (Odocoileus hemionus columbianus). It is one of three species of deer in California as recognized by the California Bowhunters Big Game Club (Blacktail, Pacific Hybrid and Mule Deer)
Following is a listing of the counties in California and the species of deer present there. If you are coming to California in pursuit of the grey ghost of the west coast, then you should be sure that you are within the boundaries set by the record keeping organization. It should be noted that the blacktail deer is found in 24 of the 55 counties in California. Some counties such as Colusa, Glenn, Fresno, Tehama, Siskyou, Sacramento, and Stanislaus may have Mule Deer in them as well. While we know that deer don’t read and follow maps very well, where a deer is taken determines its species. (For record keeping purposes anyway.)

There is a map at the bottom of the county list for your reference.

ALAMEDA- Blacktail deer
ALPINE- Mule deer
BUTTE- Mule deer
COLUSA- Mule/Blacktail deer.
Deer taken east of the Sacramento River are mule deer. Deer taken west of the Sacramento River are blacktail deer.
CONTRA COSTA- Blacktail deer
DEL NORTE- Blacktail deer
FRESNO- Mule/Blacktail deer
Deer taken east of highway 99 are mule deer. Deer taken west of highway 99 are blacktail deer.
GLENN- Mule/Blacktail deer
Deer taken east of the Sacramento River are mule deer. Deer taken west of the Sacramento river are blacktail deer.
HUMBOLT- Blacktail deer
IMPERIAL- Mule/Pacific Hybrid deer
Deer taken east of highway 86 are mule deer. Deer taken west of highway 86 are pacific hybrid deer
INYO- Mule deer
KERN- Mule/Pacific Hybrid deer
Deer taken east of highway 99 and east of Interstate 5 are mule deer. Deer taken west of highway 99 and Interstate 5 are pacific hybrid deer.
KINGS- Pacific Hybrid deer
LAKE- Blacktail deer
LASSEN- Mule deer
LOS ANGELES- Mule/Pacific Hybrid deer
Deer taken north of highway 138 and east of Interstate 5 and east of highway 14 are mule deer. Deer taken south of highway 138 and west of Interstate 5 and west of highway 14 are pacific hybrid deer.
MADERA- Mule/Pacific Hybrid deer
Deer taken north of highway 152 and east of highway 99 are mule deer. Deer taken south of highway 152 and west of highway 99 are pacific hybrid deer.
MARIN- Blacktail deer
MARIPOSA- Mule deer
MENDOCINO- Blacktail deer
MERCED- Mule/Pacific Hybrid deer
Deer taken north of highway 152 are mule deer. Deer taken south of highway 152 are pacific hybrid deer
MODOC- Mule deer
MONO- Mule deer
MONTEREY-Pacific Hybrid deer
NAPA- Blacktail deer
NEVADA- Mule deer
ORANGE- Pacific Hybrid deer
PLACER- Mule deer
PLUMAS- Mule deer
RIVERSIDE- Mule/Pacific Hybrid deer
Deer taken north of Interstate 10 and east of highway 86 are mule deer. Deer taken south of Interstate 10 and west of highway 86 are pacific hybrid deer
SACRAMENTO-Mule/Blacktail deer
Deer taken north of walnut grove and east of the Sacramento River are mule deer. Deer taken west of the Sacramento River and south of Walnut Grove are blacktail deer
SOLANO-Blacktail deer
SAN BENITO- Pacific Hybrid deer
SAN BERNARDINO- Mule/Pacific Hybrid deer
Deer taken north of highway 138 and east of highway 15 and north of Interstate 10 are mule deer. Deer taken south of highway 138 and west of highway 15 and south of interstate 10 are pacific hybrid deer
SAN DIEGO-Pacific Hybrid deer
SAN FRANCISCO- Blacktail deer
SAN JOAQUIN- Mule/Blacktail deer
Deer taken east of the Mokelumne River and east of the San Joaquin River are mule deer. Deer taken west of the Mokelumne River and west of the San Joaquin River are blacktail deer
SAN LUIS OBISPO-Pacific Hybrid deer
SAN MATEO- Blacktail deer
SANTA BARBARA- Pacific Hybrid deer
SANTA CLARA-Blacktail deer
SANTA CRUZ- Blacktail deer
SHASTA- Mule/Blacktail deer
Deer taken north 299 and east of the Sacramento River are mule deer. Deer taken south of highway 299 and west of the Sacramento River are blacktail deer.
SIERRA- Mule deer
SISKIYOU- Mule/Blacktail deer
Deer taken east of R8W and south of the Klamoth River and east of Scott River Rd and east of highway 3 are mule deer. Deer taken west of R9W and north of the klamath river and west of Scott River Rd and west of highway 3 are blacktail deer
SONOMA- Blacktail deer
STANISLAUS- Mule/Blacktail deer
Deer taken east of the San Joaquin River are mule deer. Deer taken west of the San Joaquin River are blacktail deer
SUTTER- Mule deer
TEHAMA- Mule/Blacktail deer
Deer taken east of the Sacramento River are mule deer. Deer taken west of the Sacramento River are blacktail deer
TRINITY- Mule/Blacktail deer
Deer taken east of highway 3 and north of highway 299 are mule deer. Deer taken west of highway 3 and south of highway 299 are blacktail deer
TULARE- Mule/Pacific Hybrid deer
Deer taken east of highway 99 are mule deer. Deer taken west of highway 99 are pacific hybrid deer
TUOLUMNE- Mule deer
VENTURA- Pacific Hybrid deer
YOLO- Blacktail deer
YUBA- Mule deer

I would believe this before Wikipedia....
 
Blacktails are not mulies. It would be like saying a herford is the same as a angus, yes and no, they can inner breed but both have different traits. Coues deer and whitetails are the same way, coues are a sub species of the whitetail. Most most of these deer won't inner breed but they do once in a while.

~lucas
 
Originally Posted By: SmithBlacktails are not mulies. It would be like saying a herford is the same as a angus, yes and no, they can inner breed but both have different traits. Coues deer and whitetails are the same way, coues are a sub species of the whitetail. Most most of these deer won't inner breed but they do once in a while.
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Well Blacktails may not be Mulies, but Mulies are Blacktails.

All carpenters are not cabinet makers but cabinet makers are carpenters....
 
Black-tailed deer once lived at least as far east as Wyoming. In Francis Parkman's The Oregon Trail, an eyewitness account of his 1846 trek across the early West, while within a two-days ride from Fort Laramie, Parkman writes of shooting what he believes to be an elk, only to discover that he has killed a Black-tailed Deer.[1]

The Black-tailed deer is currently common in northern California, western Oregon, Washington, in coastal and interior British Columbia, and north into the Alaskan panhandle. There remains confusion, however, over its proper classification. It is a popular game animal.

The black-tailed deer was once believed to be a subspecies of the North American mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus), however, recent DNA testing has proven this not to be the case. In Valerius Geist's book Mule Deer Country he explains that by testing the mitochondrial DNA of the three species (blacktail, whitetail and mule deer), researchers have now determined that it was the mating of whitetail does and blacktail bucks that gave rise to the mule deer, and not the opposite as was once suspected, therefore not falling under a subspecies of O. hemionus and rather as its own species O. columbianus.[2]

It is now believed that millions of years ago the whitetail deer (Odocoileus virginianus) expanded its range down the east coast of the United States, across Mexico, and then back up the west coast, where it eventually evolved into the blacktail deer. Thousands of years later as the recently evolved blacktail's range spread eastward and the whitetail's range again expanded westward, the two deer species again met. At this point, the blacktail bucks displaced the whitetail bucks, and bred the whitetail does. Researchers now believe that it is this hybridization that produced what is now commonly known as the mule deer.
 
I got it back from the Butcher on Wednesday. I got four roasts, a big thing set up to slow cook in the oven that turns out like deep pit. a bunch of "Sweet Italian" sausage of course the tenderloins and back straps and some other stuff. It is going to eat really well.
 


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