Here is some things ive been thinking on and noticing...I put my cell phone on video and took it with me to a couple of stands recently and just video my self only...wasnt worried about trying to get a video of the coyotes..I just wanted to see what I look like while calling and moving the gun around from the coyotes point of view...try this some time..try it at several stands and it will amaze you at what you can see...and the things that do stick out that you thought didnt...and the things that hide well that you didnt give much thought to..its a real eye opener...one other thing...Ive noticed over the years that deer, bobcats, coyotes, raccoon...etc...all have more white and lighter colors where the legs meet the body and on the under side of them...the top and backs seem to be slightly darker than the bellies...while watching my self on video i noticed that the area where my arm meets my shoulder, the arm pit area, is extremely dark...even with the lighter camos...look at a bobcat and noticed they had white..so just for something to try i took my carhart duck brown jacket and spray painted white on the arm pit area just as if i was putting on deodorant...and then did the same where the back of my knees bent and where my lower legs met my waist area..around my jean pockets on the front...i was amazed at how well this changed my outline..I think those areas in normal camo look fine to us until we sit down and draw our body in and the bunched up, wrinkled areas of clothing actually creates a darker spot. so lighting this area first will allow it to be lighter in the end once you sit down...hope this makes sense..give the video a try sometime you will really be suprised at what it teaches you. One other thing..it is really hard to compete with the natural camo of an animal...something about the hair, or should i say fur that they have, just allows them to blend so well...I guess you could say God is the camo expert designer..