can a eagle kill a coyote
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NM_HighPlains
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I've watched that video a bunch of times and had my wife (another falconer) and daughter (horsewoman) watch it. My daughter thinks the is wolf attacking- she thinks she sees the horse sheid a little bit. My wife doesn't have an opinion other that "Who knows?". What fun is THAT? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I've e-mailed my friend Steve Bodio who wrote the book on Mongolian eagle falconry to see if he knows- he might've BEEN there!
Don't forget that the falconer will have a pretty thick leather gauntlet on, and he very well might've been able to grab the wolf enough to drag it off that point.
Anyway, that's the first time I've seen the "eagle cam" in action. My daughter said the eagle was "having a bad feather day". LOL...
Cool video.
Don't forget that the falconer will have a pretty thick leather gauntlet on, and he very well might've been able to grab the wolf enough to drag it off that point.
Anyway, that's the first time I've seen the "eagle cam" in action. My daughter said the eagle was "having a bad feather day". LOL...
Cool video.
NM_HighPlains
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I had a 500 g. (1 lb) male prairie/peregrine
How much did that little designer hybrid set you back?
It's not what you know, it's who. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif He actually was a "left-over" bird that no one wanted- everyone wants females. I flew that bird back in '89-91. Had a female p/p hybrid, got the tiercel, gave him to a friend, then we swapped after a couple of years. The female gave me fits for 3 years but eventually turned into one of the best big water duck hawks I've ever seen. The male was a spectacular flier but was a 1-shot hawk- if he missed, he'd come down and not fly again. That worked okay out here in NM where the ponds are far and few in-between, but it didn't work well when I got to Idaho where the ponds are tighter and a lower flying bird works better. So, I gave him back to my friend in Albuq.
Alright, here's the scoop on that wolf...it is, unfortunately, a "baggie". That is, it's a tame-ish wolf being used to a) teach the eagle about wolves, b) get some good footage. The wolf is, indeed, coming back to the handler who is, indeed, tossing him off the bluff for another "chase". It's not the sort of thing that one should videotape and put on the internet- kind of like footage of high-fence hunts, ya know? But, I bet ya'll might also be surprised at how much of nature shows ends up being "baggie" footage. I personally know several falconers who've worked with some well-known filmers and they've pointed out where the scenes were spliced, the leg bands on the game birds, the fences hidden behind the brush, and etc. I basically don't believe very much I see on TV anymore and this little clip should have been no exception. The Mongols DO hunt wolves with their eagles, but this is not a representatve flight.
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I had a 500 g. (1 lb) male prairie/peregrine
How much did that little designer hybrid set you back?
It's not what you know, it's who. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif He actually was a "left-over" bird that no one wanted- everyone wants females. I flew that bird back in '89-91. Had a female p/p hybrid, got the tiercel, gave him to a friend, then we swapped after a couple of years. The female gave me fits for 3 years but eventually turned into one of the best big water duck hawks I've ever seen. The male was a spectacular flier but was a 1-shot hawk- if he missed, he'd come down and not fly again. That worked okay out here in NM where the ponds are far and few in-between, but it didn't work well when I got to Idaho where the ponds are tighter and a lower flying bird works better. So, I gave him back to my friend in Albuq.
Alright, here's the scoop on that wolf...it is, unfortunately, a "baggie". That is, it's a tame-ish wolf being used to a) teach the eagle about wolves, b) get some good footage. The wolf is, indeed, coming back to the handler who is, indeed, tossing him off the bluff for another "chase". It's not the sort of thing that one should videotape and put on the internet- kind of like footage of high-fence hunts, ya know? But, I bet ya'll might also be surprised at how much of nature shows ends up being "baggie" footage. I personally know several falconers who've worked with some well-known filmers and they've pointed out where the scenes were spliced, the leg bands on the game birds, the fences hidden behind the brush, and etc. I basically don't believe very much I see on TV anymore and this little clip should have been no exception. The Mongols DO hunt wolves with their eagles, but this is not a representatve flight.
owyheeyote
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I had the priviledge of working with quite a few different raptors at the World Center for Birds of Prey in Boise. I talked with a lot of different falconers not to mention the guys I worked with. Flying Goldens at coyotes and wolves is something they all talked about. (of course it peaked my interest so I wanted to talk about it all of the time) The sheer power these birds have is amazing and they can be trained to do even more amazing things. The Harpy eagles impressed me the most and the suckers are pretty tempermental too. Anyway, an eagle could certainly take out a coyote. If I had the time to do the apprenticeship, the proper space for a raptor, and the years to wait for the chance to fly a Golden I would definitly try it. I admire the patience and dedication that Falconers have to do what they do.
dogs_that_howl
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I have always been intrigued by falconry but know less than noting about it. How does one get started in it? PM me if anyone can give me some info on this. Thanks.
Cool video!!
Cool video!!
Its a very interesting video. I haven't decided exactly what is going on when the guy grabs the coyote/wolf. It appears to me the wolf runs and jumps at the horses rear end which would be a classic place for an attack.
I have personally seen a Golden swoop down on a mule deer doe. I don't know what its intention were exactly but it sure tried to get it.
Edit: Didn't read NM highplains last post if thats the case then I stand corrected.
I have personally seen a Golden swoop down on a mule deer doe. I don't know what its intention were exactly but it sure tried to get it.
Edit: Didn't read NM highplains last post if thats the case then I stand corrected.
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Blaze
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Video narrator is speaking Korean and so my friend here interpreted it and said that it was a documentary on Mongolian tribesman hunting with eagles (obviously). They did call the wolf a gray wolf and it seams that the eagle missed a few times and the wolf doubled back up that ridge and tried attacking the horse and rider. When he was unsuccessful he ran off and that's when the eagle rolled him.
At least so the story goes.
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At least so the story goes.
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NM_HighPlains
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I have always been intrigued by falconry but know less than noting about it. How does one get started in it? PM me if anyone can give me some info on this.
Because we've been talking about this and I don't want anyone to get the wrong ideas about falconry, I'll make this one post public and then shut up and get back to predator hunting (which I did this evening, BTW...no success).
Contact your state game office and get the "falconry packet". This will have rules, regulations, etc. You will have to have all your equipment in hand, have to pass a 100 question test on diseases, ID, game regs, training, trapping, etc, etc., usually w/ a score of 80 or better. For the first 2 years, you can have a kestrel or a redtail and you must have a General or Master class falconer sponsor you. This means he'll sign off on all your paperwork and guide you around. After 2 years, you become a General and you can get most birds except eagles and endangered sp. After 6 more years of experience, you become "Master".
It takes a tremendous amount of time, lots of country, but it's also a lot of fun. I spent the better part of 15 years centering my life around falconry. I'd suggest the first thing you do is get the packet from G&F, then get the names of some local falconers, call 'em up and ask if you can go out with them. Most guys are happy to have "newbies" come along and beat the bush, carry stuff around, run back to the truck for forgotten items, hold the dogs, buy gas, buy supper, and etc. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Alright, back to coyotes.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
I have always been intrigued by falconry but know less than noting about it. How does one get started in it? PM me if anyone can give me some info on this.
Because we've been talking about this and I don't want anyone to get the wrong ideas about falconry, I'll make this one post public and then shut up and get back to predator hunting (which I did this evening, BTW...no success).
Contact your state game office and get the "falconry packet". This will have rules, regulations, etc. You will have to have all your equipment in hand, have to pass a 100 question test on diseases, ID, game regs, training, trapping, etc, etc., usually w/ a score of 80 or better. For the first 2 years, you can have a kestrel or a redtail and you must have a General or Master class falconer sponsor you. This means he'll sign off on all your paperwork and guide you around. After 2 years, you become a General and you can get most birds except eagles and endangered sp. After 6 more years of experience, you become "Master".
It takes a tremendous amount of time, lots of country, but it's also a lot of fun. I spent the better part of 15 years centering my life around falconry. I'd suggest the first thing you do is get the packet from G&F, then get the names of some local falconers, call 'em up and ask if you can go out with them. Most guys are happy to have "newbies" come along and beat the bush, carry stuff around, run back to the truck for forgotten items, hold the dogs, buy gas, buy supper, and etc. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Alright, back to coyotes.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif