We were out 14-18 saw and heard bulls from 3 pm til dark, no morning talk at all. I did not have a permit, so of course 2 nice bulls 50' and 27 yards while buddy with tag is couple hundred yards away. Of course I had to show him pics, we are headed out Thursday if his new(to him) truck is ready. Will try cow talk this run hoping for bulls looking for cows that haven't been bred. Would help if bulls are vocal in the morning.