Cheap Version of Partitions and Barnes TTSX....?

Laffn...
Don't have to be shoulder, but CNS .

My real question is.... When you lung shoot a deer and you get 2 holes (in and out ) and the it runs a lil bit, what diff does it make what bullet you use if it exits ?
 
Dan, I've been around 6mm's for many years. Built a 6mm Rem. on a 98 Mauser action for my 8 YO son in 1968 and he shot a lot of deer with it before he was big enough to handle the 30-06.

My current favorite coyote/deer/hog rifle is an AR in 243 WSSM (Because I'd rather hunt coyotes. There is no significant difference in velocity than 243 Win and about = to 6mm Rem.). I've shot a ton of hogs with it and shot placement is king, especially on hogs.

Couple of things I have learned over the years about the .243's:

1) They cannot be relied upon to leave a strong blood trail. I loaded 100 gr. NP's for son's use and, while they can usually be relied upon to exit, the blood trail is still pretty weak sometimes.

2) Most deer and probably all hogs will travel 40, and sometimes 100 yards w/double lung shot unless you "break them down". That is, break one or both shoulders or as has been suggested a central nervous system hit. IME, many, if not most, will do the same even if hit with larger calibers as well.

3) I really can't see much difference in performance between the 6mm 100 gr. NP's and the 100 gr. SB. having never recovered either from an animal, but haven't spent much time looking for them, either.

3) Most standard cup and core bullets will out perform the partitions in the accuracy department, but not so much as to nix the partitions for hunting.

IMO, the 6mm's biggest disadvantage is the minimal blood trail and I don't believe you're going to find a bullet that will improve that. All any bullet can do is provide an entry and exit and smaller holes just = less leakage
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Good luck in your search for the perfect 6mm bullet, but I believe you're getting pretty close right now.
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Regards,
hm

 
Originally Posted By: dan brothersHe is not against buying premium bullets...he just wanted to know if he could find something else that was just as good.... but cheaper than 35.00 for ONLY 50 bullets.

I'll tell him that you guys said.... Don't be so Cheap...LOL.

It only hurts once. Again, assuming you fire 4 per year (and to be honest I do 3. 1 to check zero and 1 to harvest goat and 1 to harvest deer.) But I'm not budget conscious. I know the bullets are accurate, will burn 1/2 a box checking before I'm comfy with them. I have different guns for different game so I don't need to swap bullet weights back and forth and constantly adjust zero. So as long as it hits where it needs to, meat's in the freezer. So the first box still gives me range time + 5 years hunting. 2 boxes and I'm free to be frivolous and still hunt as long as I care too. 3 boxes, and I can be just plain silly.

Box of 50 last 12.5 years. At $35/box that/s $2.80 PER YEAR. If he starts picking up pennies on sidewalks today, by tonight he has this years bullet budget. Or just spend the $35 this year, and for the next 11 years, bullets are free.

Prairie dog bullets, different story. Cheap cheap cheap as long as they shoot well.
 
Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeGood post HM.

Rarely do I have a bad blood trail with a 243, most times I can find them in the few feet they go when tipping over.
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Ooops, Tim, guess I should have qualified my "poor blood trail" statement to include when compared to a real caliber (that is .30 cal & up
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) and have yet failed to find any animal shot with a 6mm 100 gr. bullet of any type.

Regards,
hm
 
Lots of good info. here but in when an animal is shot, they don't always drop dead on the spot. I shot a good size doe when I was in the navy ( 45 years ago ) with a 308. The bullet went thru the heart and she still went almost 100 yds. I have used a 243 with hornady 95 gn sst and 95 nosler's and they did a lot of damage but the deer still ran some. The last few years I have used a 223 with 75 gr amax and it worked as well or better than the rest. I'm not saying it is a better choice as most bullets made for deer size game will all work if a good shot is made. A pass thru will help in tracking, that's for sure.
 
Originally Posted By: why A pass thru will help in tracking, that's for sure.

And that's why I like Barnes and other monometal bullets. If the critter doesn't crumple at the shot, you can almost always count on an exit wound to add more blood to the blood trail. Plus they've proven to be very accurate in the rifles I use them in.
 

Dan,

I have taken many deer (and antelope) over the years with a variety of calibers and loads and have witnessed other hunters shoot them as well. I have seen deer jump and run from a double-lunger from a .444 Marlin and 240 gr. soft point at 25 yards, with an exit wound like you wouldn't believe, and had one drop where it stood from a .243 and 100 gr. Sierra SP. Yet another deer ran maybe 75 yards from a double lung shot from a .243 and a 95 gr. Nosler Partition. One deer ran 50-75 yards after being double lunged from a 25-06 and the old Barnes X bullet. I have had deer both run AND drop from a 7mm magnum using the same bullet and load, and even had a deer run maybe 10 yards from a .338 Win Mag and a Barnes TSX. Deer are nervy creatures and unpredictable from one animal to another, so nothing is certain.

In general, a good conventional bullet is all that is needed for deer sized animals. In recent years I have been using the Barnes TSX in two calibers - 7mm STW and .338 Win. Mag. My son uses the TSX in his .300 Remington Ultra Mag. We use them in Wyoming (not the .338) on mule deer and antelope and with good success. Of the 10 or so animals we have taken with the TSX, only two have run a few yards before falling. All others have hit the dirt right there. The STW and Ultra Mag are way more than needed for deer size game, but I like the great accuracy, flat trajectory and the drop-dead performance I generally get from them, so I don't pay attention to those who might tell me it's overkill.

Having said all the above, I have killed 5 antelope and my buddy got 2 with my 25-06 and 100 gr. Speer SP bullets. Some dropped right there and others ran a bit. None were lost.

I like the performance of the TSX bullets and if I were to use a .243 for deer, that's probably the bullet I would want. However, I don't need such a bullet for deer, but I would use it anyway because of the experiences I have had with it in the past.

As others have mentioned, the relatively low cost of shooting the TSX "for hunting" should not be a concern. The difference in cost between it and a box of conventional bullets is not very great, only a few dollars.

Just keep in mind that no bullet will drop deer instantly, every time.


 
I have some 100g Hornady Flat base bullets coming... should be here tomorrow... I'll start running some of them first, before I start buying Barnes @ 70.00 per 100 rds. Not that they aren't worth it, they probably are... just thought about starting with something less costly.

I postponed my yearly coyote trip out West until Nov 22nd, so I should have plenty of time to test these bullets out on some deer... we'll see. thanks Guys Dan
 
Sadly, it looks like Hornady has discontinued the 100 grain flat base. It does not show up on their website. The 100 grain boat tail sp and 95 grain SST still show. Fortunately I have a full box of the flat base bullets. The 100 flat base and the 95 grain Nosler BTip are my favorites with the Hornady being much cheaper.
 
Originally Posted By: lhitchcoxSadly, it looks like Hornady has discontinued the 100 grain flat base. It does not show up on their website. The 100 grain boat tail sp and 95 grain SST still show. Fortunately I have a full box of the flat base bullets. The 100 flat base and the 95 grain Nosler BTip are my favorites with the Hornady being much cheaper.

OH CRAP!!!!

New powder R#26 is putting the 243 in another class with 3300 fps with 100-105 grain bullets!!!!

Double lung shots with just about any caliber including 30/06 and 7 Mag equals RUNNING DEER!!! I have been told by a very deer savy guy here in SC that if you can catch them in between breaths, they WILL drop on the spot.
 
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Catch them between breaths.... now that is funny...LOL

I believe the idea is to.... knock the breath out of them.
 
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Quote: Double lung shots with just about any caliber including 30/06 and 7 Mag equals RUNNING DEER!!! I have been told by a very deer savy guy here in SC that if you can catch them in between breaths, they WILL drop on the spot.


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While I cannot prove it, I am of the same opinion. I've seen a number of double lunged deer drop in tracks and that is best explanation I have been able to come up with over the years because most will run about 40 yds, a few farther. Just makes sense to me that if they have a lung full of air, they can continue to function longer than if lungs are empty.

Regards,
hm
 

First, I agree with the price of bullets not being a factor in my buying of bullets. And I am a huge fan of Barnes TTSX. I have been a Barnes Bullets fan, since the original X-Bullet, and did my first autopsy, on a whitetail, shot with a 130 gr. Barnes X-Bullet. The TTSX bullets are even better...More accurate and more consistent expansion.

This year I sent a 130 gr. .308 cal. bullet through a antelope buck, at around 100 yards, and was kind of surprised it didn't DRT. I got it back in the scope, and saw blood gushing from the chest shot, but in the interest of less of a drag, put one high in the front shoulders, and then it DRT. Both rounds had impressive exit wounds, and there was nothing but pudding left of the vitals. I am sure it would have dropped soon, on the first shot, but an antelope can motor a few hundred yards before it flops, with a heart shot, and I don't need to add a few hundred yards to my drag, for the price of another round. The previous two antelope bucks were high shoulder shots, and for some reason, I decided to do the classic lung shot this time...And then the DRT high shoulder shot. Next time I think I will stick with the high shoulder shot for the first shot.
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The first antelope buck I ever shot was taken with a Barnes 80 gr. TTSX, high shoulder shot at 320 yards. DRT with a 6mm entry hole, and a 4" exit hole, with bone fragments spread across the high plains. I was sold on the little Barnes bullets(6mm).

Shot placement will save you more money than the price of bullets.

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