Child Porn Ring

Hate to jump on the bandwagon here but I think that Encore has another great idea. Are you a politician now Encore? If not you should be. Not blood thirsty, but also not being a furry bunny of love towards criminals who obviously had no sense of compassion when they committed these crimes. I have NO tolerance for child abusers, rapists, thieves etc.. ( Could go on forever ) HOWEVER, I do agree that this type of punishment should be just and the suspect should have a fair trial, and be given every opportunity to prove innocence.

Those that come out with a confession, and admit it, and laugh about it? Don't let them sit around for 20 or 30 years while we feed them, clothe them, and let them watch cable TV while their slime ball attorneys attempt to scrounge for any loop hole or technicality to get them off the hook. Drop the switch on them after the first appeal. This country has become to easy on these people. Can we not see that some of these people will NEVER be rehabilitated? They will continue to poison society and the gene pool of human kind. Very sad to say but it is true.
 
FOOD FOR THOUGHT:

Is it wrong to kill someone for something they did not do ?


Is Jail only Punishment or should it be an attempt at REFORM as well. (ie. what do you learn by going to jail...)
 
One thing I disagree with is the court system or the trial "procedures". I have served on 5 juries so far (luck of the draw?) and in a couple of the cases, they removed the jury in order to discuss evidence, one in particular was a CONVICTED child molestor, this was not known to us as juror's until AFTER the trial, when at the same time we also learned that not only did the defendant have previous convictions for the same type of crimes, but was also wanted in Louisiana after his term was served in Texas.

I think we should have known this guys record before the case, it probably would have saved the poor child from the embarrassment of having to testify in front of everyone in the courtroom and would have saved us 10 minutes in deciding Guilty and sentencing him to the MAXIMUM (20 yrs for his particular offense) sentence.

There were 2 women and a man who were reluctant to convict and sentence him, because they felt like the child was lying on the stand, we were able to convince them that the child was just nervous, and understandably so. The women bursted out in tears when the prosecutor told the jury of his previous record, I guess they felt bad for thinking they were almost going to let the guy off...

But if the criminals are convicted repeatedly, then they obviously learn how to play the system, the jurors, the witnesses and the victims in their favor, correcting their mistakes that got them caught initially. (again, just my opinion)

I have 3 daughters (17, 16 and 3 yrs old), and I would not hesitate spending the rest of my life in jail defending them or because someone hurt or killed one of them (God forbid). I would be the one on trial, not the person who harmed them.

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Remember, the kid you
leave home today, will
be voting tomorrow!!

Take a kid hunting!!
 
Robb, I hold that the the primary purpose of confinement is to punish. It also serves the dual purpose of protecting the rest of society by keeping the person isolated, where he/she can do no farther harm.

If rehab is possible, I have no problem with it being part of the deal.

With pedophiles, we have a pretty long track record to look at. Rehab is a pipe dream for almost 100% of these people. Considering the degree of harm their victims suffer, I am unwilling to gamble more children on the outcome, thus would simply kill them on the first offense. I think the crime warrants it, and I think threat they pose to other children warrants it.


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"When They turn the pages of history,
When these days have passed long ago.

Will they read about us in sorrow,
for the seeds that we let grow?" - RUSH, "A Farewell To Kings"
 
How do you KNOW they did it ?

People lie, pics and video can be faked, DNA isnt 100% reliable.

Eye witness Testimony is Famously unreliable...

I feel your guys passion for wanting to get rid of these scum, dont get me wrong. Think about the all-around consequences of what you are saying.
 
So Jail is Punishment... OK, that should be part of it, no question.

Then they get out. Now what ?

Cant get a good job, youve been out of society for X-number of years, and you have a prison record. You may or may not have Family that wished to deal with you. If you didnt learn anything positive, what you did learn was NEW crime connections and techniques from the other inmates.

What do they do ? More Crime, only now theyre better at it...
 
Robb,
Anyone with an I.Q. above that of a monkey knows that if you do the crime and get caught, then you had better be ready to accept the punishment. When it comes to those people who sexually abuse children, that punishment should be death. By the way, did you know that most children who are sexually abused are being abused by their very own close relatives? That is a fact.
 
No matter what I come up with as a solution option it all equals one thing: The rest of us have to PAY for it.

From 1900-1987 supposedly there were over 50 people that were found innocent AFTER they were executed.
 
Robb, that's why I said I don't mind rehab being part of the deal. Most people will serve their time and get out.

As for the pedophiles, that's the same problem we have with any death penalty crime: burden of proof. With this steep a penalty I think the burden is high, but not impossibly so. Certainly no more than for other capital cases.



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"When They turn the pages of history,
When these days have passed long ago.

Will they read about us in sorrow,
for the seeds that we let grow?" - RUSH, "A Farewell To Kings"
 
Rich...

Caught ?

Caught how ? by whom ?

edit: add below

Since 1973 more than 90 US prisoners have been released from death row after evidence emerged of their innocence of the crimes for which they were sentenced to death. Some had come close to execution after spending many years under sentence of death. Recurring features in their cases include prosecutorial or police misconduct; the use of unreliable witness testimony, physical evidence, or confessions; and inadequate defence representation. Other US prisoners have gone to their deaths despite serious doubts over their guilt.

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Fairly administered?

---A study of racial discrimination in capital cases in Georgia showed that "the average odds of receiving a death sentence among all indicted cases were 4.3 times higher in cases with white victims."—American Civil Liberties Union.

---During the 1980s and early 1990s, only about one percent of those on death row were women. (Women commit about 18 percent of all criminal homicides.)—American Civil Liberties Union.

---Of those executed since 1976, only one has been female—"Capital Punishment for Female Offenders," Cleveland Marshall College of Law via the Kentucky Department of Public Advocacy.

---Approximately 90 percent of those on death row could not afford to hire a lawyer when they were tried.—American Civil Liberties Union.



[This message has been edited by Robb/Scottsdale/AZ (edited 03-22-2002).]
 
Yep, Robb is correct with his facts and data.

Capital punishment has also been "proven" to not reduce crime.

All those facts and figures come from first-degree murder as felonies punishable by death, though. i don't know how different they would be if sexually molesting a child was the only crime punishable by death.


i don't necessarily think killing these offenders is the ONLY solution, yet i AM saying that in my mind, a child sexual molestor does indeed deserve to die.
 
Encore,
I do not buy the idea that capitol punishment does not reduce violent crime. Nobody has yet been able to come up with real documentation of even ONE murderer who killed again AFTER he was hung by the neck until dead. We caught two murderers back in the 1980's who kidnapped a man in Omaha, nebraska and brought him to Iowa to kill him. One of the murderers even told us that they chose Iowa to pull the trigger on their victim because Iowa did not have the death penalty and Nebraska DID. Death penalty does not reduce violent crime? LOL
 
I read a study somewhere a while back that as soon as they lifted the death penalty for the crime of kidnapping that kidnappings increased by something like 40%. (the figures may not be accurate, but the evidence still shows that the death penalty was indeed a factor in reducing certain crimes)....

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Remember, the kid you
leave home today, will
be voting tomorrow!!

Take a kid hunting!!

[This message has been edited by Stretch (edited 03-22-2002).]
 
I think I will put my 2 cents worth in on this topic.

Since I am a Registered Nurse, I will describe a situation I witnessed in an Emergency Room(I will not name town or patient for confidentiality reasons)
We get this little baby 1year and 2 mos. old who was raped vaginally, anally and orally by her UNCLE who was drunk i believe his age was 30 something. The baby was bleeding profusley from her vaginal and anal area, her larnyx and trachea were bleeding and torn also and her ability to breathe was diminished, this little baby was air lifted from our ER after stabilization to Lubbock. All this time the police were chasing this uncle through pasture country as well as his realatives, this person was caught red handed by the girls mother, and escaped out the bedroom window and I WILL PROMISE YOU IF I WOULD HAVE BEEN A COP THERE IS KNOW WAY IN HADES THAT THIS GUY WOULD HAVE EVER MADE IT TO A JAIL CELL MUCH LESS A TRIAL. FURTHERMORE HE RECEIVED 30 YEARS IN PRISON WITH NO PAROLE.

I agree that all caught and convicted of this crime should be killed with out remorse. I VOLUNTEER TO BE THE EXECUTIONER.


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It`s not the size of the weapon, it`s the force of attack!

David Neff
 
From what I hear,

If the other Prisoner's find out what it is he is in Prison for... It will make your Instant Exceution... a "walk in the park" by comparison...


Dont get me wrong, I definitly feel the anger for these horrific crimes and "people" but...

Again Ill reiterate my initial point, and then Ill drop the subject. The more harsh the penalty for a crime, the less it will actually get doled out, and therefore sought after by prosecution. Youll just find that prosecuters will settle for lesser charges to ENSURE a conviction.

Im with you guys though Id like to see those kind of people get that kind of sentence, the reality is it wont work like you hope it will... thats what Im trying to get across.
 
Robb, these guys are kept in solitary for these types of crimes for the reason you mentioned above. Which means more cost to take care of them.

I know you and others don`t think it will help but i for one think we need to revert all laws back to the original 10 commandments When dealing with these types of crimes. Eye for an Eye so to speak.

Oh and there should be no lesser charge.

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It`s not the size of the weapon, it`s the force of attack!

David Neff

[This message has been edited by Neffquail (edited 03-22-2002).]
 
I know, I know, I know this is really the last one...


Looking at the data I presented above about Death Row Sentencing (and really lesser-crime convictions as well which arent examined NEARLY as close) first... gaining a perspective for "Convictions" in our court system (which is arguably among the best there is, though far from perfect...)

Would you consider it wrong for an INNOCENT PERSON to recieve Corporal or Capital Punishment for a crime they didnt commit ?

(side note: without lesser charges, the criminal is even MORE LIKELY to walk away completely FREE... think of the OJ Civil Suit vs Murder Trial... not a Direct comparison but in the same realm)


[This message has been edited by Robb/Scottsdale/AZ (edited 03-22-2002).]
 
I completely agree with you Robb. This could go on forever, and that's fine because I like to hear both sides, but my opinion hasn't changed yet.

And don't forget about cruel and unusual punishment. You can't champion some of the constitution and scratch the rest.( Article 8)
Eye for an eye, death for death.
 
I have a couple more cents worth to add.

What is the greatest motivator of man??
FEAR.
What countries employ death penalties and cutting off hands, caneing and such, places like Singapore who has the lowest crime rate in the world. Iran who hold public beheadings and hand choopings, well we say that is cruel but look around Iran how many 1 or no handed people do you see?? That or they are very good theives. In these countries you kill someone and you are killed. What motivates people not to do something that is wrong, Fear of what might happen to them if they do. The way our law system is right now it is a joke. It`s a shame when you can go to jail for writing a hot check, but kill someone and you get probation (happened in Big Spring Texas) call Paul Harvey he will verify it he even stated on his talk show if you need to kill someone take them to Big Spring Texas and you will receive probation. But do not write a hot check. The crooks here are not scared of the justice system, they know that nine times out of ten they are going to get off scot free.


How does the Mafia motivate there underlings...again FEAR, why because if you wrong them you will wind up sleeping with the fishes.

Undoubtly Fear is the greatest motivator of man.

Kind of like Hank Williams Jr. said "The cops are against the robbers, but the laws are against the cops."


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It`s not the size of the weapon, it`s the force of attack!

David Neff
 
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