Chronograph

Guido

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Hey guys, I've been reloading for a while (shotshells and rifle Ammo for hunting and skeet shooting) and the only piece of equipment I've never invested in is a chrono. I develop my loads using various reloading manuals, and besides developing a good shooting load with powder tolerances listed I don't do much experimenting. What info are you actually using from a chrono other than "nice to know" kind of things? I'm not really trying to justify one, just curious on how it would help someone reloading for hunting accuracy.

Please let me know what you guys use them for and how it helps you.

Thanks!
 
I use mine for developing loads. The reloading manuals are pretty accurate for their loads and listed velocities. But when you get away from their specs you need a chrony. For instance most of their test barrels are 26" and you have a 24". And most of their data are "Lawyer Loads".

Here is an example of my use of the chrony:
I have a 6mm/284, 24.5" barrel and I want to shoot a 87 grain Hornady HPBT bullet. I want this load to retain energy of somewhere around 1000 lbs at 500-600 yards for deer size game. To do this I need to get the velocity up to around 3500 fps.

Load #1: H4350, no matter how much powder I put in the max velocity I can get is around 3200 fps. This is because all of the powder isn't being burned in the barrel.

Load #2: Varget, can get up to about 3450 but starting to show pressure signs.

Load #3: H4895, the same results as the Varget but better accuracy.

The problem here is the burning rate with my length of barrel. I need to try powders with burning rates in between H4895 and H4350.

Load #4: H414, same results as H4350

Load #5: H380, accuracy was so bad I didn't go on.

Load #6: IMR4320, finally hit the right powder for my barrel. Velocity 3510 fps, accuracy one ragged hole.

So you can see without a chrony I wouldn't know where I am at and what my trajectory will or would be.

Now if you are doing all your shooting under 200 yards you can probably live without one.
 
If you're curious about velocity, you can pick up an inexpensive unit from Shooting Chrony. They're not known for perfection, but all you really need to use it for is to give you a "ball park" idea of trajectory.

There are other ways, however, to establish trajectory--and velocity. Simply shooting at a large target in the distance, or at a rock on a bank at, say, 500 yards, will give you the amount of drop your bullet is actually experiencing from that 100 yard zero. In other words, if you shoot at a baseball sized rock on a hillside at 500 yards, and the bullet splashes dirt four feet down the bank, you've got a ball park idea right there. Four feet at 500 yards would be about (about /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif ) ten MOA. Dial the scope up 10 MOA (forty clicks on most scopes) and try another shot.

Now you know your bullet, which has a BC of .365 say, is dropping 10 MOA at 500 yards. You can calculate velocity from there.

Targets...

Targets are the final arbiter of what a load is doing. No matter how good, or how bad the chronograph numbers look, the target has the last word--at 100 yards to 1000 yards, between and beyond.

Developing a load to reach a specific velocity can often lead you away from good accuracy. You've got to let the components (bullet, powder, etc.) tell you where they want to group, then you must accept that velocity.

If you're working with a healthy charge (near the max in the loading manual) your velocity is going to be somewhere within ten percent of the numbers shown in most cases. This should be generally true for barrels within two inches of the test barrel. So if Sierra got 2650 fps with a 180 grain Gameking and so much IMR 4064 in a .308 with a 22" barrel, your 24" barrel should be very close to that figure.

In my opinion, you really shouldn't even get curious about velocity until you find the powder combination that works properly. Some folks shoot strings of shots across a chronograph until they find a tight extreme spread. Sometimes this works, but often it will not. Depending on your seating depth, neck tension, etc., a particular recipe can look tight on the numbers one day, and sloppy the next. The OCW method www.clik.to/optimalchargeweight will get you to a solid performing load in as few as twenty shots--without any help (or better put, distraction) from a chronograph.

So again, it is best to let the paper tell you what's working and what isn't. Think about it: If you're shooting 1/2 MOA groups at the longest range at which you hunt, do you really care what the chronograph is saying about SD and ES? And conversely, if your groups are all to hell at 1K and nothing you do seems to tighten them, does it matter that the ES looks good?

The Shooting Chrony which can be had for under 75 dollars works just fine, and is easy to set up. It'll tell you about how fast your bullets are going, and the targets will tell you the rest. Some of the F-1 Shooting Chrony models tend to like a calibration shot fired across them before you begin recording results. The Chrony folks actually just recommend firing a rubber band across the unit to let it get acclimated to the light conditions.

Use my OCW load development method (shameless plug) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif and you'll get where you need to be. Once you've identified the OCW then you can chronograph that load recipe so you'll have a rough idea of trajectory and energy. You'll need the chronograph for about five minutes while you put a half dozen shots or so across it--then you'll be done with it. So I wouldn't invest in an expensive unit. You need to let the targets tell you how you're doing. All you need a chronograph for is a short cut to approximate velocity.

Dan
 
I second Dan's advise. Years ago, when I had a job, I bought an Oehler Model 35P Chronograph with Built-In Printer. It still didn't replace reading the target or going out and shooting at different ranges to figure bullet drop, drift, etc. Sd & ES mean nothing to me in a real world hunting situation. If I had it to do over. I would buy the $75 Shooting Chrony and use the remaining $350+ on a good scope or another rifle.
 
If you guys are insinuating that I worry about velocity more than accuracy you are mistaken. They go hand in hand with each other, if you put in the time and effort you can obtain both.
 
Oh, nobody is implying or insinuating anything. I think everybody knows that more velocity will give you a flatter shooting bullet. Makes range estimation less important, so of course you'll probably be more accurate. I was just saying that for me. I like to see where my bullet hits at different ranges and not rely on ballistics charts to tell me. I'm one of those folks that need to "see" the results. I prefer the most accurate load at the highest safe velocity I can obtain from any given cartridge.
 
I agree that ballistic charts and/or ballistic calculators, reloading manuals and a Chrony are only guidelines but they are all useful tools. I also think they are more accurate then a rock at 500 yards.

The proof is in shooting at an actual target at the given range.

His orginal guestion was what do you use your chrony for.
 
You can use the chrony for determining the actual ballistic coefficient of the bullet you are shooting. Assuming you have a pretty narrow velocity spread in your loads, with the average velocities from two known distances (ie 15 ft and 100 yards) you can plug these numbers into a ballistic calculator and determine the actual BC for the bullet you are launching.
 
I think I've had chrono's for about 25 years, and I really think it's the most overrated piece of stuff I've got. In actual use I found that I used the hell out of it for 2 weeks. Then once I found out what my load was doing, it went back onto the shelf. Great was to satisfy curiosity, but it just isn't something I use much of anymore.
 
I like to do my load development first then check velocity. I find very few maunals loads and printed velocity that match some come close but for the most part they are slower. I think some of the newer caliber may be alot closer since they haven't been around that long. Every once in awhild I'll buy a box of factory and see how they do agains my reloads. I always try and find more than one load and use it to compare. I own same caliber rifles but with different twist and it's fun for me just to see what happens to the velocity. I got the Oehler back in 1987 wasn't alot of them back then like now. I figure the chronograph as a tool to check my reloads not a tool to reload by. I see all kinds of chronographs at the range and they all seem be be happy with what they have. Well good luck.
 
I have used a chrony against my friends oehler a few years ago. the readings were almost the exact same numbers. i bought it used from a freind for 65 bucks. best money i spent.
 
Thank you guys all for the advice. I really appreciate the input. I think I'll put this one on hold for now I think and stick with developing my loads according to accuracy and using targets to check my raise/drop at different distances. I'm with Dan and Weasel...I have to see it to believe it I guess. Maybe eventually when I have more time I'll look deeper into it. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't something I was missing that people were doing with them.

Thanks again and I really appreciate the input.
 
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