if you cant get far enough away fromm the general public to keep them from ruining your huntd its probably not a safe place to be shooting anyways.I wouldnt be hunting with a firearm if i constantly have to worry about innocent bystanders catching a stray bullet.Here in MT you have to purchase a state lands use permit $2 to do anything on state land,and ill bet theres plenty of tax dollars that go into your public lands trusts.
Complained to game commission
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We hunt a tract of land that the PA game commission stock pheasents on and I can't count how many times rabbit hunting that I've seen people wearing all grey jogging suits come running through no orange on and have there dogs run up to our beagles and interupt the hunt. Nothing can be done they have just as much right as the hunter does. The PGC did put up a sign saying something like hunters wear orange so should you. Something like that.
greenmountainboy
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i hate hunting near anybody. i have had many times that other road hunters on trail walkers have ruined a hunt, so i go where the lazy people don't go. i know it's a pain and takes alot of time, but to me it's worth getting off the beaten path.
slugger
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Guys, Guys, Guys!
I can't believe what I am reading. Let's get real about this! If they are not doing anything illegal suck it up and get away from them as many have said. If we start bitching about people walking their dogs, enjoying the outdoors what have we become and worse, what will we accomplish. Roughly only 25% of the ENTIRE population actively supports hunting in some form. Roughly 25% would love to have it abolished in any way they can. That leaves about 50% of the public that has not formed an opinion. If we start yelling because we can't kill anything because average joe is walking his dog, then some of those 50% will start to swing to the abolish standpoint and we as a group CAN NOT afford that!
What would some say if Colorado all of a sudden said: "NO OUT OF STATE HUNTERS -- PERIOD". I can hear the uproar right now.
However, I have had my hunting plans ruined by more "hunters' on ATV's than by anybody walking their fricking dog! Let's get real and grow-up. It's public land as defined by law, get over it and get off your [beeep] and work a little and get away from the hikers, bikers, etc...
I don't mean to alienate anyone but damn some here are acting like 2 year olds!
I can't believe what I am reading. Let's get real about this! If they are not doing anything illegal suck it up and get away from them as many have said. If we start bitching about people walking their dogs, enjoying the outdoors what have we become and worse, what will we accomplish. Roughly only 25% of the ENTIRE population actively supports hunting in some form. Roughly 25% would love to have it abolished in any way they can. That leaves about 50% of the public that has not formed an opinion. If we start yelling because we can't kill anything because average joe is walking his dog, then some of those 50% will start to swing to the abolish standpoint and we as a group CAN NOT afford that!
What would some say if Colorado all of a sudden said: "NO OUT OF STATE HUNTERS -- PERIOD". I can hear the uproar right now.
However, I have had my hunting plans ruined by more "hunters' on ATV's than by anybody walking their fricking dog! Let's get real and grow-up. It's public land as defined by law, get over it and get off your [beeep] and work a little and get away from the hikers, bikers, etc...
I don't mean to alienate anyone but damn some here are acting like 2 year olds!
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if you cant get far enough away fromm the general public to keep them from ruining your huntd its probably not a safe place to be shooting anyways.I wouldnt be hunting with a firearm if i constantly have to worry about innocent bystanders catching a stray bullet.
These games lands are plenty far from houses and they also all contain wooded areas seperating the "outside". Dirt roads are the only access to some of these areas and are out of the way. Some are just back some small back roads that are still considered dirt roads on a map, the game commission, and my money as a hunter, has paid for that road to be paved. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
if you cant get far enough away fromm the general public to keep them from ruining your huntd its probably not a safe place to be shooting anyways.I wouldnt be hunting with a firearm if i constantly have to worry about innocent bystanders catching a stray bullet.
These games lands are plenty far from houses and they also all contain wooded areas seperating the "outside". Dirt roads are the only access to some of these areas and are out of the way. Some are just back some small back roads that are still considered dirt roads on a map, the game commission, and my money as a hunter, has paid for that road to be paved. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
bluealtered
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I have worse problems from other hunters that see you on a set up. And they decide to walk along the ridge 100 yards from you to see what you are set up on and spook a bedded 5x5 mulie. Bedded 35 yards in front of me that i had to belly crawl 100 yards to get that close to and i sat there by the sage for 30 minutes waiting for it to stand up. Then those idiots came over the hill glassing after 10 minutes. Spotted me and moved along the ridge to see why I was hidden in the sage. Oh shoot did we spook those bucks. I live in eastern washington and they were from seattle. We over here call them coasties and most of them are some dumb [beeep] jerks.
Same thing here in eastern oregon,...most of my problems come from westsiders,(this side of the state is their private play ground) who want to set up camp the night before opening day, get sh*t faced drunk, and spend all night and opening day shooting their rifles to "sight them in".
If there are farms or ranchs in your area, ask the owner to hunt there, ... most of them will let you if you will show them that you will help them with their predator problems.
The bottom line is simple,...if your hunting on public land you will have to deal with the public sooner or later.
Now i shouldn't say this,... but if you having problems with p.e.t.a. wanna be's, like we used to, you can cure that with a road flare set on top of a tire on their rig.
After this happens a couple of times, they will go somewhere else. ...blue
I have worse problems from other hunters that see you on a set up. And they decide to walk along the ridge 100 yards from you to see what you are set up on and spook a bedded 5x5 mulie. Bedded 35 yards in front of me that i had to belly crawl 100 yards to get that close to and i sat there by the sage for 30 minutes waiting for it to stand up. Then those idiots came over the hill glassing after 10 minutes. Spotted me and moved along the ridge to see why I was hidden in the sage. Oh shoot did we spook those bucks. I live in eastern washington and they were from seattle. We over here call them coasties and most of them are some dumb [beeep] jerks.
Same thing here in eastern oregon,...most of my problems come from westsiders,(this side of the state is their private play ground) who want to set up camp the night before opening day, get sh*t faced drunk, and spend all night and opening day shooting their rifles to "sight them in".
If there are farms or ranchs in your area, ask the owner to hunt there, ... most of them will let you if you will show them that you will help them with their predator problems.
The bottom line is simple,...if your hunting on public land you will have to deal with the public sooner or later.
Now i shouldn't say this,... but if you having problems with p.e.t.a. wanna be's, like we used to, you can cure that with a road flare set on top of a tire on their rig.
After this happens a couple of times, they will go somewhere else. ...blue
Just to add. I am not saying I don't want people on game lands. I am saying that from Nov to mid feb, allow hunters to use the gamelands for their intended purpose without being interupted. Again, we are paying to use it for it's intended use. Is it fair that I have to pay to use it and not even gaurantee it will be uninterrupted by someone who does not pay for it?
I'm not from your state & I'm gonna comment anyhow. I don't care what any of your responses are either so save your little finger tips the trouble of typing a reply. It's PUBLIC land regardless of who pays for it so deal with it. Thats exactly why I've spent countless hours burning countless gallons of gas to get the 10,000 private acres I have access to hunt on. Not to mention the time & money involved in land I either got a "NO" from or land I haven't heard back from. This is as bad as the religious argument for no Sunday hunting. It's mostly from a hypocritical point of view. You can't use it cuz it's mine!! Well public is public regardless of who pays for it. Like it or not.
BTW-- Ohio is full of hunters. We don't need anymore.
BTW-- Ohio is full of hunters. We don't need anymore.
daddyflea
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I was not advocating shooting someones dog but I have had a few hunts ruined by dogs that will not go away. If my hunt is ruined anyway a rifle set off next to the dogs ear kinda teaches them to be cautious next time. It would be real easy to be arrested for shooting someones dog these days.
GC
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Is it fair that I have to pay to use it and not even gaurantee it will be uninterrupted by someone who does not pay for it?
Not trying to rain on your parade, and understanding your frustration... However, the only way to absolutely be sure that you'll be the only one on a certain piece of property is to buy yourself some ground and post it, patrol it, and then enjoy it for yourself only as private property.
I'm not sure exactly how the game department structure is for you state, however, I'd say if the other folks are taxpayers, citizens, legally engaged in an outdoor activity, and it is PUBLIC property, then they have as much a right there as you. I wouldn't want to get in a buying power argument with the general non-hunting public about who "owns" the ground and has "rights" to use it. All hunters will lose in that type of disagreement. Despite the facts about who does actually fund wildlife preservation and conservation as it currently is within the U.S. Ask yourself this... would you be upset if your hunt was interupted by an out of state hunter who purchased the proper out of state licences to legally hunt there? They don't pay taxes in your state, would that situation upset you?
Is it fair that I have to pay to use it and not even gaurantee it will be uninterrupted by someone who does not pay for it?
Not trying to rain on your parade, and understanding your frustration... However, the only way to absolutely be sure that you'll be the only one on a certain piece of property is to buy yourself some ground and post it, patrol it, and then enjoy it for yourself only as private property.
I'm not sure exactly how the game department structure is for you state, however, I'd say if the other folks are taxpayers, citizens, legally engaged in an outdoor activity, and it is PUBLIC property, then they have as much a right there as you. I wouldn't want to get in a buying power argument with the general non-hunting public about who "owns" the ground and has "rights" to use it. All hunters will lose in that type of disagreement. Despite the facts about who does actually fund wildlife preservation and conservation as it currently is within the U.S. Ask yourself this... would you be upset if your hunt was interupted by an out of state hunter who purchased the proper out of state licences to legally hunt there? They don't pay taxes in your state, would that situation upset you?
wachtelhund1
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If I'm not mistaken, don't most states have laws against non-hunters interferring with hunters participating in lawful hunting, especially in the East. I think these were mostly passed during the later 80's and 90's, when many anti-hunters were interferring mainly during deer seasons. These laws allow for the arrest of the interferring parties.
As previously stated many people know exacting what they are doing. And as previousl stated I would never shoot a dog regardless of the idiot on the end of the leash.
I don't want to hijack this thread, but since were are talking about dogs, I'm going to relate a story that happened to me. In 1999 I moved out of AK and was visiting my sister in CT. About a mile from her house is a section of state land, 640 acres with resovior. As a kid I hunted grouse there, to get to it from the closest road, we had to climb a 300 foot very steep bluff because the resovior was off limits. For CT it is pretty remote. Today, fishing is allowed in the resovor and there is a 1 1/2 mile walking trail around the res. One day, my sister and I were walking my two gundogs around the res. Since it is still pretty isolated, I had my dogs off their leash, but had e-collars on them. My female bumped a cottontail and gave chase. I let her go as she normally would return after a few minutes. This time she didn't so I gave her a low stimulation, waited and nothing. So I gave her another but higher. I heard no yelp as normal and she did not return. We continued walking down the trail towards the parking lot, same direction as my female headed. Almost to the parking lot we came upon a woman holding my dog. She had removed the e-collar and was holding it in her hand. She said, "these collars hurt dogs". Needless to say I was PO'd, she had touched my dog and removed my property. I porposely reach down and riped the collar out of her hand so that it would hurt her hand and proceeded to chastize her. I kept her there for several minutes looking down at her, right in her face, just screming at her. I threw in many obscene words I'm sure. There were a number of people watching. I spent 28 years in the Air Force, 11 enlisted and 17 as an officer. One thing I know how to do, is to chastize someone when needed. In the end, she ran off in tears as fast as she could, if she had a tail it would have been definitely between her legs. She was lucky she was not a man, otherwise she would have been on the ground spitting out teeth. I pity the person that does something to my dogs. I'm sure she'll never touch another person's dog the rest of her life.
As previously stated many people know exacting what they are doing. And as previousl stated I would never shoot a dog regardless of the idiot on the end of the leash.
I don't want to hijack this thread, but since were are talking about dogs, I'm going to relate a story that happened to me. In 1999 I moved out of AK and was visiting my sister in CT. About a mile from her house is a section of state land, 640 acres with resovior. As a kid I hunted grouse there, to get to it from the closest road, we had to climb a 300 foot very steep bluff because the resovior was off limits. For CT it is pretty remote. Today, fishing is allowed in the resovor and there is a 1 1/2 mile walking trail around the res. One day, my sister and I were walking my two gundogs around the res. Since it is still pretty isolated, I had my dogs off their leash, but had e-collars on them. My female bumped a cottontail and gave chase. I let her go as she normally would return after a few minutes. This time she didn't so I gave her a low stimulation, waited and nothing. So I gave her another but higher. I heard no yelp as normal and she did not return. We continued walking down the trail towards the parking lot, same direction as my female headed. Almost to the parking lot we came upon a woman holding my dog. She had removed the e-collar and was holding it in her hand. She said, "these collars hurt dogs". Needless to say I was PO'd, she had touched my dog and removed my property. I porposely reach down and riped the collar out of her hand so that it would hurt her hand and proceeded to chastize her. I kept her there for several minutes looking down at her, right in her face, just screming at her. I threw in many obscene words I'm sure. There were a number of people watching. I spent 28 years in the Air Force, 11 enlisted and 17 as an officer. One thing I know how to do, is to chastize someone when needed. In the end, she ran off in tears as fast as she could, if she had a tail it would have been definitely between her legs. She was lucky she was not a man, otherwise she would have been on the ground spitting out teeth. I pity the person that does something to my dogs. I'm sure she'll never touch another person's dog the rest of her life.
GC
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Hunter harassement laws usually require the other party be knowingly interupting and not engaged in a lawful activity upon the property. There's a lot of gray area and leaves plenty of wiggle room in many situations. In the case of a hiker or dog walker, it'd be mighty hard to prove they had the intention of harrassing the hunter. The law was written to prevent sign carrying, whistle and siren blowing anti-hunters from protesting hunts by attempting to scare animals out of the hunt area and disrupt the hunt. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Everytime I go to the woods I'm not hunting. In fact, I just bought my wife a new pair of hunting type insulated and Gore Tex equipped boots and ladies Carhartt's so she and I can walk our dog on long hikes in the timber. If we happened to blunder into a small game hunter, predator hunter, bow hunter, ect. it'd be an accident and with no ill intentions. Shoot my dog, get in my face, damage my parked vehicle, and we'll be at war... I never go in the timber without a firearm of some sort for protection. You see when you start something you just don't know how badly it'll escalate and how quick that could happen. Something simple turns into something really terrible.
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I am saying that from Nov to mid feb, allow hunters to use the gamelands for their intended purpose without being interupted. Again, we are paying to use it for it's intended use. Is it fair that I have to pay to use it and not even gaurantee it will be uninterrupted by someone who does not pay for it?
Once again IT'S PUBLIC LAND. The gamelands around my area even have walking trails and signs that allow mountain bikers.It's intended purpose is for the PUBLIC to enjoy the outdoors. And the PGC does require individuals to wear flourscent orange while on gamelands after a certain date. Does your $25 purchase of a hunting license entitle you to thousands of acres without anyone interrferring with your hunt. Please. I'm an avid hunter but public land is public land. If you don't like it don't hunt there. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
I am saying that from Nov to mid feb, allow hunters to use the gamelands for their intended purpose without being interupted. Again, we are paying to use it for it's intended use. Is it fair that I have to pay to use it and not even gaurantee it will be uninterrupted by someone who does not pay for it?
Once again IT'S PUBLIC LAND. The gamelands around my area even have walking trails and signs that allow mountain bikers.It's intended purpose is for the PUBLIC to enjoy the outdoors. And the PGC does require individuals to wear flourscent orange while on gamelands after a certain date. Does your $25 purchase of a hunting license entitle you to thousands of acres without anyone interrferring with your hunt. Please. I'm an avid hunter but public land is public land. If you don't like it don't hunt there. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
BRADFORDcoHUNTER
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Beagler: So why the EFF am I paying that extra $25.00? Multiply my $25.00 by a million: The "dog walkers sure as hell aren't paying a fraction of that much to use the same land....so how other than "civil right" to be on said public land, do they REALLY have as much right? DUring the off season, I don't have an issue with it. But when they "accidentally" and some what rudely interupt ones hunting venture and hard work afield, then show little remorse about it...that's just BS.
AGAIN: so if they have as much right as we do, why do we not have the same rights to hunt in their suburban parks and tracts of land? Heres why: Because 8,000 of them will show up at a city council meeting and make sure the motion never gets off the table!
Anyways, I'm just voicing my opinion and providing facts to the best of my knowledge. It's not that big a deal to me really, as I don't usually have these problems...it's more a matter or principal. If I encountered problems like this, I'm more than capable of handling matters..no worries.
On an ending note Remember this: Give them an inch, and they will try to take a foot. Once your rights, and the public hunting land YOU pay for become over run with liberals and PETA people, your not getting it back....so don't come whining, and wanting to help the "cause." If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem!
AGAIN: so if they have as much right as we do, why do we not have the same rights to hunt in their suburban parks and tracts of land? Heres why: Because 8,000 of them will show up at a city council meeting and make sure the motion never gets off the table!
Anyways, I'm just voicing my opinion and providing facts to the best of my knowledge. It's not that big a deal to me really, as I don't usually have these problems...it's more a matter or principal. If I encountered problems like this, I'm more than capable of handling matters..no worries.
On an ending note Remember this: Give them an inch, and they will try to take a foot. Once your rights, and the public hunting land YOU pay for become over run with liberals and PETA people, your not getting it back....so don't come whining, and wanting to help the "cause." If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem!
I'm sorry but in my area anyway I don't see the woods being overrun with treehuggers,peta, etc. I'm sorry if some of your hunts got ruined by somebody walking in the woods. But what if you were bowhunting and I happened to come along with my dogs? Training a new pup or running our other hounds. I may have ruined your hunt as well but would you place any blame on me or become agitated? Are you guys more concerned about your perception of your hunt being ruined or nonhunters in the woods? Hell maybe some hikers might push a buck into you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif As far as calling goes I do most of my hunting at night so I never really had a problem with "intruders". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
gotchanow
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Guys, Guys, Guys!
I can't believe what I am reading. Let's get real about this! If they are not doing anything illegal suck it up and get away from them as many have said. If we start bitching about people walking their dogs, enjoying the outdoors what have we become and worse, what will we accomplish. Roughly only 25% of the ENTIRE population actively supports hunting in some form. Roughly 25% would love to have it abolished in any way they can. That leaves about 50% of the public that has not formed an opinion. If we start yelling because we can't kill anything because average joe is walking his dog, then some of those 50% will start to swing to the abolish standpoint and we as a group CAN NOT afford that!
What would some say if Colorado all of a sudden said: "NO OUT OF STATE HUNTERS -- PERIOD". I can hear the uproar right now.
However, I have had my hunting plans ruined by more "hunters' on ATV's than by anybody walking their fricking dog! Let's get real and grow-up. It's public land as defined by law, get over it and get off your [beeep] and work a little and get away from the hikers, bikers, etc...
I don't mean to alienate anyone but damn some here are acting like 2 year olds!
Amen brother. We sometimes are our worst enemy me for one would rather drive 2 hours each way to hunt than pick a fight with somebody.
Guys, Guys, Guys!
I can't believe what I am reading. Let's get real about this! If they are not doing anything illegal suck it up and get away from them as many have said. If we start bitching about people walking their dogs, enjoying the outdoors what have we become and worse, what will we accomplish. Roughly only 25% of the ENTIRE population actively supports hunting in some form. Roughly 25% would love to have it abolished in any way they can. That leaves about 50% of the public that has not formed an opinion. If we start yelling because we can't kill anything because average joe is walking his dog, then some of those 50% will start to swing to the abolish standpoint and we as a group CAN NOT afford that!
What would some say if Colorado all of a sudden said: "NO OUT OF STATE HUNTERS -- PERIOD". I can hear the uproar right now.
However, I have had my hunting plans ruined by more "hunters' on ATV's than by anybody walking their fricking dog! Let's get real and grow-up. It's public land as defined by law, get over it and get off your [beeep] and work a little and get away from the hikers, bikers, etc...
I don't mean to alienate anyone but damn some here are acting like 2 year olds!
Amen brother. We sometimes are our worst enemy me for one would rather drive 2 hours each way to hunt than pick a fight with somebody.