Continuiong the 9 vs 45 thread with real world experience (very long)

It's amazing how much debate goes into caliber selection and how little goes into proper training. The vast majority of individuals who carry concealed (LEO's and military aside) don't train or shoot on a regular basis. There seems to be the assumption that because they have a license to carry they are automatically better than a would be assailant. People seem to forget, or don't know about, confrontational avoidance, confrontation de-escalation, commanding a situation and effecting a psychological stop before a physiological or neurological stop becomes necessary.
 
Originally Posted By: wdchuckhuntrIt's amazing how much debate goes into caliber selection and how little goes into proper training.
+1 I'd rather holding an old acurate .22lr revolver than not now what the heck i'm doing with the "lastes and greatest" hand cannon.
 
Originally Posted By: 2muchgun9mms are pea shooters.........

Slightly better than a pocket full of rocks..
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I was @ a gunshow last year and a Vietnam Vet stopped by our booths... he was one of the coolest older guys i've ever met, we talked for about an hour straight... during part of the conversation he was telling me about his 1911 and comparing it to the HK USP tactical 9mm we had on the table... he told me in his experience he has seen a man get shot 4-6 times with a 9mm and still come foreward to attack, then he moved on to the ol 45 ACP story, he told me they had a guy chargin em and his buddy hit him in the shoulder with the 45, the impact spun "twisted" the hard charger so violently it completely dislocated and tore his knee out!!! I personally don't own a acp, i will someday, for now i only have a few 9mms, i'm running the hornady 147gr XTP just under 1000fps for use with my cans, this round is sufficient enough for personal defense, i would feel a heck of alot more comfortable with the 45ACP and the A$$ that it carries behind that round!!!
 
Originally Posted By: skinneyI was @ a gunshow last year and a Vietnam Vet stopped by our booths... he was one of the coolest older guys i've ever met, we talked for about an hour straight... during part of the conversation he was telling me about his 1911 and comparing it to the HK USP tactical 9mm we had on the table... he told me in his experience he has seen a man get shot 4-6 times with a 9mm and still come foreward to attack, then he moved on to the ol 45 ACP story, he told me they had a guy chargin em and his buddy hit him in the shoulder with the 45, the impact spun "twisted" the hard charger so violently it completely dislocated and tore his knee out!!! I personally don't own a acp, i will someday, for now i only have a few 9mms, i'm running the hornady 147gr XTP just under 1000fps for use with my cans, this round is sufficient enough for personal defense, i would feel a heck of alot more comfortable with the 45ACP and the A$$ that it carries behind that round!!!

And I could tell you about the time I saw Sasquatch and Mrs. Abominable Snowman doing the nasty and it'd be just about as believable...
 
Originally Posted By: BusterAnd I could tell you about the time I saw Sasquatch and Mrs. Abominable Snowman doing the nasty and it'd be just about as believable...
hey, lets not change the topic here... i didn't say i believed the ol boy, but his stories and pics he sent me were credible enough...
 
A few years back, a Ga State Trooper shot a bad guy at point blank range with a S/W 4506 45ACP. The bad guy commence to whoop that trooper's azz. This happen at a rest area and a truckdriver went to the aid of the trooper and they both sudued the bad guy.


Now, two year ago I shot a spike buck with a 338 winchester mag. The buck was standing broadside at 41yds. I shot the deer in the front shoulder and the bullet took the rib cage out the other side. The deer ran 70+ yds before he went down.


This past deer season I shot a doe standing broadside at 356yds with a 22-250 handloaded 52gr. Hornaday a-max bullet, high shoulder shot and the deer dropped like a truck had fell on it.


What does this mean?

Not a D... thing. There are no magic bullets.


I would feel just as safe with a 9mm.
 
Originally Posted By: Nikon_Man A few years back, a Ga State Trooper shot a bad guy at point blank range with a S/W 4506 45ACP. The bad guy commence to whoop that trooper's azz. This happen at a rest area and a truckdriver went to the aid of the trooper and they both sudued the bad guy.


Now, two year ago I shot a spike buck with a 338 winchester mag. The buck was standing broadside at 41yds. I shot the deer in the front shoulder and the bullet took the rib cage out the other side. The deer ran 70+ yds before he went down.


This past deer season I shot a doe standing broadside at 356yds with a 22-250 handloaded 52gr. Hornaday a-max bullet, high shoulder shot and the deer dropped like a truck had fell on it.


What does this mean?

Not a D... thing. There are no magic bullets.

I would feel just as safe with a 9mm.

Great comment!

Noone should assume their firearm is inherently capable of on shot stops. To do so could prove to be a fatal mistake.
 
I believe it just means you don't understand much about the concept and effects of shot placement.

#1 poor shot placement

#2 missed heart but punctured lungs

#3 bullet broke spine

Not magic. Just a little common sense/experience.........
 
Originally Posted By: Nikon_Man Not a D... thing. There are no magic bullets.




Wha.................? Are you CRAZY??? Have not you seen even ONE action movie in the last 10 years? All the bad guys instantly fall DRT with any hit from the Good Guy's gun. Why, I have seen it bettern huntert time myownself!

Better getcher self to the picture show real soon and you will see what I am talking about. Dang! Where you been anyhow?

Oh yeah... them guns is REAL quiet too. Dont make hardly no noise atall. Like to have me one or two of them I would.
 
Originally Posted By: 2muchgunI believe it just means you don't understand much about the concept and effects of shot placement.

#1 poor shot placement

#2 missed heart but punctured lungs

#3 bullet broke spine

Not magic. Just a little common sense/experience.........

That's right, we finally agree on something. I can tell you that the 9mm will do the job just as quick as the 45, just a matter of shot placement. By the way, good to see you back to your old self after getting spanked in the remmy savage thread. I was told you had tear drops big as horse turds squirting out the corner of your eyes during that deal. LOL.
 
Wow. Must have been pretty traumatic experience for me, as I don't even recall the thread you are talking about(or care). But I'll take your word for it
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Quote:I can tell you that the 9mm will do the job just as quick as the 45, just a matter of shot placement.

Well, yeah, and given that caveat, so will a .22 short.
 
yep

(ETA)...or 9mm short;
actually though, think about it 9mm vs. 45ACP....no brainer IMO
 
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I do believe that shot placement is key in anything that you shoot.

Better to carry a 9mm than a knife. Unless you can hit a 3" target at 15 yards with a knife and cannot hit within 3' with a 9mm.

Same with the .45 vs a 9mm. If you can afford more 9mm ammo and get more proficient with it rather than half the amount of ammo with a .45!

I carry a 9mm and can hit just about anything that I want at 20 yards. I cannot afford the .45 (gun nor ammo) due to cost so I am not as good of a shot with it when I shoot my friends.

I will one day be able to afford a .45 and at that time become proficient with that as well.

The whole robbery scenario I do not think that a handgun will stand up to a fully automatic AK-47.

You cannot knock on the 9mm when if not for that all you have is your hands.
 
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