Vartarg217
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Thanks for all the great feedback!!
Could Use Some Help: 22 WMR or 17 HMR
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Dultimatpredator
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Originally Posted By: crapshootFor the purpose of coyotes, 22 mag over the 17 hmr. But I'd take the 17wsm over the 22mag provided I could find a shooter without having to spend my children's inheritance.
Agree
That's the problem with not being able to reload a rimfire. I'm sure that's why you see a lot of rimfires up for sale. I just got lucky and ended up with a shooter.
Agree
That's the problem with not being able to reload a rimfire. I'm sure that's why you see a lot of rimfires up for sale. I just got lucky and ended up with a shooter.
SlickerThanSnot
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Originally Posted By: Dultimatpredator The other thing I don't like is how unreliable rimfire ammo is. Every range trip no matter what brand it is I have fail to fires. I'd hate to spend all that time and call in an animal and hear a "click".
either something wrong with your rifle or you are shooting the cheapest, crappiest rf ammo there is.
shoot rf ammo of known good quality, and unless there is a rifle problem, it will go bang every time.
either something wrong with your rifle or you are shooting the cheapest, crappiest rf ammo there is.
shoot rf ammo of known good quality, and unless there is a rifle problem, it will go bang every time.
SlickerThanSnot
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Originally Posted By: marcoI don't think you need a target rifle to kill a coyote! 100yds or less for rimfire yote rifle I don't care what your shooting! If you can't put that bullet in the kill zone you're pretty bad!
do you shoot and kill many coyotes with rimfires?
do you shoot and kill many coyotes with rimfires?
I shot three broadside at ranges of 10-25 yards with 17 HMR, they ran off like they had not been hit. I found one around 110 yards, lung shot, and the other two were gone.
Stayed with my Ruger 77 boat paddle 22 Mag from then on, killed a lot of them with 40g Hp Winchester Silver box. My longest shot was around 150 yards facing me, bang flop.
Stayed with my Ruger 77 boat paddle 22 Mag from then on, killed a lot of them with 40g Hp Winchester Silver box. My longest shot was around 150 yards facing me, bang flop.
If you go .17 HMR, use the 20 gr XTP. If you go .22 WMR, use the 50 gr Federal Gameshok, the best is the .17 WSM, but use the 20gr NOT the 25gr bullets. You can pick up a used HB SS Bmag for around $350. I had mine cut to 20" and use a Sparrow SS can. Nothing better in the rimfire world.
Originally Posted By: cmatera If you go .17 HMR, use the 20 gr XTP. If you go .22 WMR, use the 50 gr Federal Gameshok, the best is the .17 WSM, but use the 20gr NOT the 25gr bullets. You can pick up a used HB SS Bmag for around $350. I had mine cut to 20" and use a Sparrow SS can. Nothing better in the rimfire world.
Plus 10 on that-------svb
Plus 10 on that-------svb
orkan
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I'm in love with the 17WSM for shooting prairie dogs. You can ruin a pdog town inside of 250yds on a calm day.
Shot a coyote with 20gr american eagle just a tiny bit behind the shoulder at 110yds... he ran off like nothing happened. I found him 200yds later, dead... perfectly placed shot. 17WSM definitely is NOT enough for coyotes, but it has to be better than 17HMR.
Whats wrong with the 25gr bullets? I figured they would have done a better job than the 20 I hit this yote with.
Shot a coyote with 20gr american eagle just a tiny bit behind the shoulder at 110yds... he ran off like nothing happened. I found him 200yds later, dead... perfectly placed shot. 17WSM definitely is NOT enough for coyotes, but it has to be better than 17HMR.
Whats wrong with the 25gr bullets? I figured they would have done a better job than the 20 I hit this yote with.
SlickerThanSnot
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Originally Posted By: orkan
Whats wrong with the 25gr bullets? I figured they would have done a better job than the 20 I hit this yote with.
this^^^
the little 25 gr hp out of a 17 hornet is wicked on coyotes. but i do realize there is some speed difference there.
Whats wrong with the 25gr bullets? I figured they would have done a better job than the 20 I hit this yote with.
this^^^
the little 25 gr hp out of a 17 hornet is wicked on coyotes. but i do realize there is some speed difference there.
Originally Posted By: ackleymanI shot three broadside at ranges of 10-25 yards with 17 HMR, they ran off like they had not been hit. I found one around 110 yards, lung shot, and the other two were gone.
Stayed with my Ruger 77 boat paddle 22 Mag from then on, killed a lot of them with 40g Hp Winchester Silver box. My longest shot was around 150 yards facing me, bang flop.
Win. 40gr. HP is what I use with success also. By my own admission I have not tried any other brand so I can't say if they work or not. The Win. work for me so I'll stay with them.
Stayed with my Ruger 77 boat paddle 22 Mag from then on, killed a lot of them with 40g Hp Winchester Silver box. My longest shot was around 150 yards facing me, bang flop.
Win. 40gr. HP is what I use with success also. By my own admission I have not tried any other brand so I can't say if they work or not. The Win. work for me so I'll stay with them.
TripleDeuce660
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Originally Posted By: parson
I will agree with you as far as the CZ 455 goes, CZ messed up with that one, I have both and the 512 will outdo the 455 any day with just about any ammo. They should have built the 455 like the 452 and it would have a winner but the interchangeable barrel idea doesn’t work like the permanant screw on barrel
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You simply got a lemon. CZ barrels are hit or miss, just like they have always been. My 455 is .7 moa or better all day every day. I do not mean a lucky group or two. I mean the average of 30+ 5 round groups. I also had a 512, and it was ok. After trigger work it improved, but it could only hold about 1.1 moa. I also had two 452s they shot very well too. The good thing about the 455 is if your barrel is a lemon, you can roll the dice with another factory barrel or get an aftermarket barrel.
I will agree with you as far as the CZ 455 goes, CZ messed up with that one, I have both and the 512 will outdo the 455 any day with just about any ammo. They should have built the 455 like the 452 and it would have a winner but the interchangeable barrel idea doesn’t work like the permanant screw on barrel
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You simply got a lemon. CZ barrels are hit or miss, just like they have always been. My 455 is .7 moa or better all day every day. I do not mean a lucky group or two. I mean the average of 30+ 5 round groups. I also had a 512, and it was ok. After trigger work it improved, but it could only hold about 1.1 moa. I also had two 452s they shot very well too. The good thing about the 455 is if your barrel is a lemon, you can roll the dice with another factory barrel or get an aftermarket barrel.
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Dultimatpredator
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Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: Dultimatpredator The other thing I don't like is how unreliable rimfire ammo is. Every range trip no matter what brand it is I have fail to fires. I'd hate to spend all that time and call in an animal and hear a "click".
either something wrong with your rifle or you are shooting the cheapest, crappiest rf ammo there is.
shoot rf ammo of known good quality, and unless there is a rifle problem, it will go bang every time.
I had a metal shaving i found inside the bolt assembly when I first bought it. I took it apart, cleaned the oil inside that was black as night, polished all the internals, and reassembled with synthetic lube nor grease. This took care of the misfires till the other day. I had one. I reset the bolt and it fired. It was hornady vmax ammo. I did have some fired cases sticking and wouldn't eject that I had to pick out with a file I had with me. I since cleaned the barrel and action. It seems like I will get stuck casings after every 50 to 100 rounds fired and then I have to clean. I had a lot of Winchester 2250 fps varmint ammo fail to fire before and after cleaning. Any suggestions? The firing pin hit in my ammo looks nice and deep.
I had the same fail to fire with my used CZ 452 ultralux super exclusive. The bolt had sticky varnish all over it like a dirty carburetor. I cleaned it and had only one fail to fire out of about 200 plus rounds. It's very common to have fail to fires with rimfire ammo because of the way the primers are made and designed. I did a lot if research on the subject when I was having issues. Sounds like one if the big issues is the primer material was not all the way around the rim or the firing pin is not hitting hard enough it too far out or in. You can modify the firing pin to have more even reliable strikes. My RAR strikes a little in from the rim and has alot smaller footprint than my CZ 22lr which hits deep from the case edge to about an 1/8" in. I was told by Ruger my strike footprint and placement is correct. I wonder if I just need to clean the chamber more often. I believe when the case gets stuck that it has something to to with the fail to fire?
Here is a post showing pics of where my firing pin strikes on my Ruger 22WMR.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10205850#post10205850
either something wrong with your rifle or you are shooting the cheapest, crappiest rf ammo there is.
shoot rf ammo of known good quality, and unless there is a rifle problem, it will go bang every time.
I had a metal shaving i found inside the bolt assembly when I first bought it. I took it apart, cleaned the oil inside that was black as night, polished all the internals, and reassembled with synthetic lube nor grease. This took care of the misfires till the other day. I had one. I reset the bolt and it fired. It was hornady vmax ammo. I did have some fired cases sticking and wouldn't eject that I had to pick out with a file I had with me. I since cleaned the barrel and action. It seems like I will get stuck casings after every 50 to 100 rounds fired and then I have to clean. I had a lot of Winchester 2250 fps varmint ammo fail to fire before and after cleaning. Any suggestions? The firing pin hit in my ammo looks nice and deep.
I had the same fail to fire with my used CZ 452 ultralux super exclusive. The bolt had sticky varnish all over it like a dirty carburetor. I cleaned it and had only one fail to fire out of about 200 plus rounds. It's very common to have fail to fires with rimfire ammo because of the way the primers are made and designed. I did a lot if research on the subject when I was having issues. Sounds like one if the big issues is the primer material was not all the way around the rim or the firing pin is not hitting hard enough it too far out or in. You can modify the firing pin to have more even reliable strikes. My RAR strikes a little in from the rim and has alot smaller footprint than my CZ 22lr which hits deep from the case edge to about an 1/8" in. I was told by Ruger my strike footprint and placement is correct. I wonder if I just need to clean the chamber more often. I believe when the case gets stuck that it has something to to with the fail to fire?
Here is a post showing pics of where my firing pin strikes on my Ruger 22WMR.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10205850#post10205850
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