Coyote dog cost
- Thread starter jrnm
- Start date
Coyotejunki
Well-known member
I am curious where this goes myself. I know a finished dog can get very expensive. But expensive is a matter of opinion I suppose.
And, how far trained, is a "started dog"? That might be cheap insurance from getting a gunshy or a other issues, from a reputable breeder/trainer of course.
And, how far trained, is a "started dog"? That might be cheap insurance from getting a gunshy or a other issues, from a reputable breeder/trainer of course.
I am curious, as I know cattledogs are priced relative to how much you want and have to have a dog after watching it work. I assume the same could be said of a decoy dog.
Don't drive up in the Cadillac if you are thinking about buying, a horse trader once told me to never pull a trailer when you go to look at a horse, they assume you are going to take one home if you do.
Don't drive up in the Cadillac if you are thinking about buying, a horse trader once told me to never pull a trailer when you go to look at a horse, they assume you are going to take one home if you do.
bigtrucker
New member
T.T. is taking orders for "Decoy Dogs" on Face Book a couple of days ago. If you want to go that route. I did and it didn't work out, but he's traing more than ever.
cawilson82
New member
Your definion of started and finished will reflect on the price
A great running walker that has been completely finished will cost you a small fortune here in the northeast. A hound that has spent a lot of time in a pen learning the smell and then run with a pack or a small group for awhile will cost you two arms. A "cold noser", finished, physically trained by roading, run with groups and alone will cost you a down payment on a new truck.... lots of talk out there about what someones hounds will do but be safe and tell you'd like to accompany a hunt with the hound... all of the above range between $1000 - $5000 hard earned dollars..
Don't turn this into another TT bashing thread. I would like to know what decoy dog price ranges are.
From the number of pm's I have received people assume because we are both from NM that I needed advise and warning, thank you for your time and now back to what dogs are selling for.
From the number of pm's I have received people assume because we are both from NM that I needed advise and warning, thank you for your time and now back to what dogs are selling for.
Coyotejunki
Well-known member
Yea i have to agree, like him or not, this isn't about TT.
I would like to hear more about prices and just how far or trained a started dog is. I guess that is also on the same definition as a trued action, or custom rifle. Means different things to different people.
I would like to hear more about prices and just how far or trained a started dog is. I guess that is also on the same definition as a trued action, or custom rifle. Means different things to different people.
chazwho2
Active member
Here is my imput, a started dog is going to come with a little experience for sure. The experience is going to give you a leg up. Here is the kicker, if you don't have time to train a pup you don't have time to train a started dog. Started, not started you are going to have to put some serious time into your dog. If your not serious as he11 you will waste your money, time and possibly a good dog. Having a dog on stand doesn't just poof coyotes in front of ya in magical land. Now having said that my dog gives me great satisfaction when things work out.
Originally Posted By: chazwho2Here is my imput, a started dog is going to come with a little experience for sure. The experience is going to give you a leg up. Here is the kicker, if you don't have time to train a pup you don't have time to train a started dog. Started, not started you are going to have to put some serious time into your dog. If your not serious as he11 you will waste your money, time and possibly a good dog. Having a dog on stand doesn't just poof coyotes in front of ya in magical land. Now having said that my dog gives me great satisfaction when things work out.
A started dog saves you several months waiting for the dog to grow up, coyote season is coming sooner than that. If a guy didn't enjoy fooling with dogs why would you want to put up with keeping one around? Any old dog will sit in your lap, eat and poop. If my weimer wasn't gunshy I would be using him, I inherited him when he was almost 3, he runs under the kitchen table when I pull out a gun case.
A started dog saves you several months waiting for the dog to grow up, coyote season is coming sooner than that. If a guy didn't enjoy fooling with dogs why would you want to put up with keeping one around? Any old dog will sit in your lap, eat and poop. If my weimer wasn't gunshy I would be using him, I inherited him when he was almost 3, he runs under the kitchen table when I pull out a gun case.
Sounds to me like you got it all figured out so have at it. I just wish somebody would of helped me out before I took a 700.00 hit. But lucky for me I ran into a good group of guys that have helped me out.
To the ones that say don't bash TT get screwed out of that much of your hard earned money and just see if your not bitter.
So I would say figure out what you want in a dog and the price should be easy. Better the dog the more money it is.
To the ones that say don't bash TT get screwed out of that much of your hard earned money and just see if your not bitter.
So I would say figure out what you want in a dog and the price should be easy. Better the dog the more money it is.
A dog that is nearing the "finished" stage has been hunted 3-5 days a week between the months of May and October for 2 years. A well started dog with plenty of video footage to back its performance both with another dog and solo will cost between $2,500 and $3,500. Anyone selling a "finished" dog that has less than two solid years under its belt is totally misrepresenting the dog.
^^^^^^ this is a private response from a guy I asked about this thread*^^^
I would say heed the advice given to you from guys that have experience buying dogs.
^^^^^^ this is a private response from a guy I asked about this thread*^^^
I would say heed the advice given to you from guys that have experience buying dogs.
Originally Posted By: bparkerA dog that is nearing the "finished" stage has been hunted 3-5 days a week between the months of May and October for 2 years. A well started dog with plenty of video footage to back its performance both with another dog and solo will cost between $2,500 and $3,500. Anyone selling a "finished" dog that has less than two solid years under its belt is totally misrepresenting the dog.
^^^^^^ this is a private response from a guy I asked about this thread*^^^
I would say heed the advice given to you from guys that have experience buying dogs.
Glad someone finally answered my question...this ain't my first rodeo. That is why I don't buy gas from the first place I pass on the road unless I am running on fumes...it don't hurt to know what the market is before you start casting bait.
^^^^^^ this is a private response from a guy I asked about this thread*^^^
I would say heed the advice given to you from guys that have experience buying dogs.
Glad someone finally answered my question...this ain't my first rodeo. That is why I don't buy gas from the first place I pass on the road unless I am running on fumes...it don't hurt to know what the market is before you start casting bait.
cawilson82
New member
B PARKER IS RIGHT!!!
As to the TT issue its old news no need to keep riding it. He knows he made mistakes and regrets it. As for training a dog there is no doubt the man has plenty of coyotes and is very good at bringing them in which is what it takes to make a dog. I'm not perfect as i doubt anyone else here is so get over all that crap.
As to the TT issue its old news no need to keep riding it. He knows he made mistakes and regrets it. As for training a dog there is no doubt the man has plenty of coyotes and is very good at bringing them in which is what it takes to make a dog. I'm not perfect as i doubt anyone else here is so get over all that crap.
Last edited:
jglynn
New member
i would say a dog that hasnt been started that you wana train should be in the "free" range. you can find hundreds of dogs out there that can work a coyote for free.
my opinion is that if you are not willing or capable to put 75-100 coyotes in front of a dog a year, you do not need one.it is not fair to the dog! they can only take so many blank stands or days sitting in the yard before they start going down hill. it takes alot of time and effort.
ive seen good dogs that do well on coyotes go from anywhere from $1,000-$3,500. One of the best ones ive seen was free off of Craigslist!
my opinion is that if you are not willing or capable to put 75-100 coyotes in front of a dog a year, you do not need one.it is not fair to the dog! they can only take so many blank stands or days sitting in the yard before they start going down hill. it takes alot of time and effort.
ive seen good dogs that do well on coyotes go from anywhere from $1,000-$3,500. One of the best ones ive seen was free off of Craigslist!
Originally Posted By: cawilson82B PARKER IS RIGHT!!!
As to the TT issue its old news no need to keep riding it. He knows he made mistakes and regrets it. As for training a dog there is no doubt the man has plenty of coyotes and is very good at bringing them in which is what it takes to make a dog. I'm not perfect as i doubt anyone else here is so get over all that crap.
This is the first that I have really spoke out about it. If he would reimburse me I would have no beef with him.
Yes I do agree tony is a very accomplished caller and kills a lot of coyotes. But I agree to disagreed on the other part.
As to the TT issue its old news no need to keep riding it. He knows he made mistakes and regrets it. As for training a dog there is no doubt the man has plenty of coyotes and is very good at bringing them in which is what it takes to make a dog. I'm not perfect as i doubt anyone else here is so get over all that crap.
This is the first that I have really spoke out about it. If he would reimburse me I would have no beef with him.
Yes I do agree tony is a very accomplished caller and kills a lot of coyotes. But I agree to disagreed on the other part.
Last edited:
the impactzone
New member
Jglynn,
this may be one of the few times I disagree with you as you have shown your knowledge in past post and the work you have done with your dog and video documented
BUT..... I don't think you need to put 75-100 coyotes a year in front of a dog to make it a good coyote/decoy dog or keep it a good dog. there are other substitutes and training that will keep the prey drive going and I fully understanding that decoy work is different than any other, and I don't' call my dog a decoy dog as she has only seen maybe 5 as I hunt mostly at night and she is used more of a tracking recovery dog that will track and bay wounded game at night, and at that she has maybe worked only 25 or so kills on coyotes.
I would love to get her up there with you, Scott & btech29 and your dogs to take her to the next level. was planning on this (working her with other dogs) till she turned up with pups from the yellow lab down the street, so that is on the back burner for the next 2 months or so.
like I said I would not call her a decoy dog or myself a decoy dog trainer/breeder, but I would call her a establish started dog with a good prey drive and tracking abilities and being well disciplined and responds quickly to commands. I have no doubt that if you put her in front of 75-100 coyotes in the hands of a competent trainer that she would not give Spot a run,,, ( wow did I just open my mouth)
I guess my point is that 75-100 coyotes would be a finished dog in my eyes (as un-educated or experienced as the are in decoy dogs) and if the dog don't have it or show it in 10-15 coyotes then maybe it never will?
Yes I got her from TT (gunner/lacy) at 10 weeks and have been told by many on this forum it is the training and time I spent with her that has had more influence than the breeding, maybe but there is no TT blood in her its all Lacy/Curr that I know of.
this may be one of the few times I disagree with you as you have shown your knowledge in past post and the work you have done with your dog and video documented
BUT..... I don't think you need to put 75-100 coyotes a year in front of a dog to make it a good coyote/decoy dog or keep it a good dog. there are other substitutes and training that will keep the prey drive going and I fully understanding that decoy work is different than any other, and I don't' call my dog a decoy dog as she has only seen maybe 5 as I hunt mostly at night and she is used more of a tracking recovery dog that will track and bay wounded game at night, and at that she has maybe worked only 25 or so kills on coyotes.
I would love to get her up there with you, Scott & btech29 and your dogs to take her to the next level. was planning on this (working her with other dogs) till she turned up with pups from the yellow lab down the street, so that is on the back burner for the next 2 months or so.
like I said I would not call her a decoy dog or myself a decoy dog trainer/breeder, but I would call her a establish started dog with a good prey drive and tracking abilities and being well disciplined and responds quickly to commands. I have no doubt that if you put her in front of 75-100 coyotes in the hands of a competent trainer that she would not give Spot a run,,, ( wow did I just open my mouth)
I guess my point is that 75-100 coyotes would be a finished dog in my eyes (as un-educated or experienced as the are in decoy dogs) and if the dog don't have it or show it in 10-15 coyotes then maybe it never will?
Yes I got her from TT (gunner/lacy) at 10 weeks and have been told by many on this forum it is the training and time I spent with her that has had more influence than the breeding, maybe but there is no TT blood in her its all Lacy/Curr that I know of.
Last edited:
coyote_roede
New member
JRM,
Cost of a dog or worth of whatever you buy is a very complicated thing.
Paying more for something to some means getting a higher quality whatever, simply from the cost.
I've got a $5,000 dog you only paid $1,000 for yours so mine must be 5 times as good, you see the point.
What you expect to get from a started or finished dog and what the next ten guys expect to get are going to be very different.
You need to have a list of questions and get honest answers about each of them from the seller.
1. Timid, gun shy, afraid of loud noises?
2. Does it listen to basis commands?
3. Load and ride in a truck with no problems?
4. Engage a coyote when seen or sent after?
5. Does it decoy or just chase to catch the coyote?
6. Have to have an elec. collar on to correct behavior?
7. Does it hunt trash off the lead.
8. Trained to roam when on stand or sit next to caller on stand?
9. Will it track and find downed coyotes?
10. How much aggression does the dog have in it?
11. Does it get along with other dogs and people?
12. Health, bloodline, physical shape.
13. The country you will be hunting the dog in?
These are just a quick dozen or so I can think of off the top of my head. Each one can be a topic of discussion because everyone wants something a little different. Each question has a lot of grey area to be talked about.
If you find one that meets your needs and does the majority of them to your approval my next question would be "WHY" are you selling it?
As for the amount, if you find one, it is usually going to be a pure luck deal and you better snap it up. A dog being sold because of a number deal, reducing from 2-3 or something similar, or an older dog being replaced etc. A relocation, a financial deal, needs money etc.
Be very careful with sellers who have lots of dogs all the time because IMO it is not possible to train a huge number of quality started or finished dogs by a single person. Simple logistics. Possible but rare.
Also a dog trained with another dog thru out training may not be the same dog when sent home with you and then hunted alone. Some dogs are very good followers but not very good leaders. Then can get in real trouble very easy without that backup that can ruin them.
It takes very little skill to make a dog want to bite, wool, chase. All you do is cull dogs that do not show aggression. You then reward the aggressive behavior and your dog will want to catch and chew just about anything. To some this is a decoy dog, not me.
In a nutshell you need to ask the right questions and figure out what you want it to do. Then find a seller with similar views and a dog for sale.
Price? A finished dog easily in the $5,00 to $10,000, they will be priced similar to good cattle or sheep dogs as the jobs in some respects are very similar. Older dogs $1,000 to $5,000 depending on age and the shape they are in. The trick will be even finding a marginal dog in the 2-5 year range with experience unless it is totally worthless. Very, very rare to come up with a good dog for sale.
I think sometimes we take good dogs for granted and undervalued until we don't have one. Especially ADC wise.
JRM I assume you will be a recreational caller using it only during the fur season for the most part? That time of year you need less aggression in a dog. IMO. You may need it to be more of a pet? May need to stay inside? Live in the city? Who knows what, you will have to weigh all the pros and cons.
You may find a freebee like John stated, I have had a couple. Had lots more that I wasted time and money on. Also had dogs that came from the best of bloodlines and were not worth the high dollar price. Whether it be in pups or older dogs. It's always a crap shoot with dogs. It seems some people connect better with dogs, some people are more honest than other people, and some sellers have the ability to relate before the sale to you and your needs and if it's not going to work say so.
I wish you the best in your pursuit of a dog and hope this post helps. It's not something that one post can anwer all the questions or opinions on but it can get a person thinking! Best of luck to ya.
Cost of a dog or worth of whatever you buy is a very complicated thing.
Paying more for something to some means getting a higher quality whatever, simply from the cost.
I've got a $5,000 dog you only paid $1,000 for yours so mine must be 5 times as good, you see the point.
What you expect to get from a started or finished dog and what the next ten guys expect to get are going to be very different.
You need to have a list of questions and get honest answers about each of them from the seller.
1. Timid, gun shy, afraid of loud noises?
2. Does it listen to basis commands?
3. Load and ride in a truck with no problems?
4. Engage a coyote when seen or sent after?
5. Does it decoy or just chase to catch the coyote?
6. Have to have an elec. collar on to correct behavior?
7. Does it hunt trash off the lead.
8. Trained to roam when on stand or sit next to caller on stand?
9. Will it track and find downed coyotes?
10. How much aggression does the dog have in it?
11. Does it get along with other dogs and people?
12. Health, bloodline, physical shape.
13. The country you will be hunting the dog in?
These are just a quick dozen or so I can think of off the top of my head. Each one can be a topic of discussion because everyone wants something a little different. Each question has a lot of grey area to be talked about.
If you find one that meets your needs and does the majority of them to your approval my next question would be "WHY" are you selling it?
As for the amount, if you find one, it is usually going to be a pure luck deal and you better snap it up. A dog being sold because of a number deal, reducing from 2-3 or something similar, or an older dog being replaced etc. A relocation, a financial deal, needs money etc.
Be very careful with sellers who have lots of dogs all the time because IMO it is not possible to train a huge number of quality started or finished dogs by a single person. Simple logistics. Possible but rare.
Also a dog trained with another dog thru out training may not be the same dog when sent home with you and then hunted alone. Some dogs are very good followers but not very good leaders. Then can get in real trouble very easy without that backup that can ruin them.
It takes very little skill to make a dog want to bite, wool, chase. All you do is cull dogs that do not show aggression. You then reward the aggressive behavior and your dog will want to catch and chew just about anything. To some this is a decoy dog, not me.
In a nutshell you need to ask the right questions and figure out what you want it to do. Then find a seller with similar views and a dog for sale.
Price? A finished dog easily in the $5,00 to $10,000, they will be priced similar to good cattle or sheep dogs as the jobs in some respects are very similar. Older dogs $1,000 to $5,000 depending on age and the shape they are in. The trick will be even finding a marginal dog in the 2-5 year range with experience unless it is totally worthless. Very, very rare to come up with a good dog for sale.
I think sometimes we take good dogs for granted and undervalued until we don't have one. Especially ADC wise.
JRM I assume you will be a recreational caller using it only during the fur season for the most part? That time of year you need less aggression in a dog. IMO. You may need it to be more of a pet? May need to stay inside? Live in the city? Who knows what, you will have to weigh all the pros and cons.
You may find a freebee like John stated, I have had a couple. Had lots more that I wasted time and money on. Also had dogs that came from the best of bloodlines and were not worth the high dollar price. Whether it be in pups or older dogs. It's always a crap shoot with dogs. It seems some people connect better with dogs, some people are more honest than other people, and some sellers have the ability to relate before the sale to you and your needs and if it's not going to work say so.
I wish you the best in your pursuit of a dog and hope this post helps. It's not something that one post can anwer all the questions or opinions on but it can get a person thinking! Best of luck to ya.