coyotaytalker
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Hey i have the ss10x42.It's a good scope.True it's not the best choice for coyotes.It's a good scope it went out of zero only one time,and i haul it on a quad all over the place.
Coyote hunting in Idaho?
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Wow, don't you think this was a bit harsh? Are you going to sit there and act like it doesn't bother you, even just a little, to show up to your favorite spot only to find someone else there? I have always been very understanding about public land, and I've always been very respectful to anyone else using it, but that doesn't keep me from feeling a little "irked" that there is someone else in the spot I want to be in, "my spot" (especially if they have Ada county plates ). That's all I read out of Mason's posts. You don't think that he would really go so far as to vandalize someone's rig do you? I am pretty sure, although I don't know the guy, that he was just joking.
I agree with I.O.NDoyle. Public land is just that; "public land" no matter the Co.of origin or person,,,,,If you have a problem and can't come up with personel "public" property that is yours only.... Then I suggest you run for office office and start a petition for sanctioned land that applies to you......... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Wow, don't you think this was a bit harsh? Are you going to sit there and act like it doesn't bother you, even just a little, to show up to your favorite spot only to find someone else there? I have always been very understanding about public land, and I've always been very respectful to anyone else using it, but that doesn't keep me from feeling a little "irked" that there is someone else in the spot I want to be in, "my spot" (especially if they have Ada county plates ). That's all I read out of Mason's posts. You don't think that he would really go so far as to vandalize someone's rig do you? I am pretty sure, although I don't know the guy, that he was just joking.
I agree with I.O.NDoyle. Public land is just that; "public land" no matter the Co.of origin or person,,,,,If you have a problem and can't come up with personel "public" property that is yours only.... Then I suggest you run for office office and start a petition for sanctioned land that applies to you......... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
SalemDawger
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Did you mean a rem 700 and not a M77 I thought that was a Ruger thing, sorry some times I am a jerk.
Idaho is great. There are a lot of farmers and ranchers that will let you hunt coyotes if you ask. I also like Idaho because you have to have a license to hunt, that keeps a lot of out of staters away, like me.
Idaho is great. There are a lot of farmers and ranchers that will let you hunt coyotes if you ask. I also like Idaho because you have to have a license to hunt, that keeps a lot of out of staters away, like me.
Mason_Jarr
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I was gone rafting for the weekend so didn't follow this. I do have some final words on it though and then I'll move on to something productive.
I also moved here from Alaska. The terrain is somewhat different, but animals will always be where there is food and shelter. I don't think that changes from state-to-state. My issue wasn't that other people hunt out where we do because each year there are more and more. My issue is that rather than get out there and find a place to hunt folks just want to know where to go without putting in any effort. I don't know JHansen from JHenson, but I do know if a fellow says he's a hunter then get out there and hunt. Public posting of exact areas where there are good concentrations of animals only leads to overcrowding in my experience and shortly after the place is shot out, full of garbage and ruined. Maybe that won't be the case this time, but if it is I'll be the first one to get on here and let everyone know.
I don't think my point of view is selfish. I think the majority of people, at least the ones I know, would be a little miffed if someone posted exact directions to their hunting grounds.....public land or not. If they say otherwise, I'd question their integrity.
I've met some great folks from Ada County who come over this way to hunt. But they came and explored on their own and found it on their own. I find no fault with that.
Finally, I do not work in Boise. I don't go there very often either unless there's something I can't get here in Mt Home.
And yes, I do consider it to be MY public land. I spent the last 30 years in the military defending it. I remove trash from it every time I use it. I've planted sage brush and bitterbrush on it without compensation. If you can't understand why I don't want it advertised to the hordes, that's not my issue!
I also moved here from Alaska. The terrain is somewhat different, but animals will always be where there is food and shelter. I don't think that changes from state-to-state. My issue wasn't that other people hunt out where we do because each year there are more and more. My issue is that rather than get out there and find a place to hunt folks just want to know where to go without putting in any effort. I don't know JHansen from JHenson, but I do know if a fellow says he's a hunter then get out there and hunt. Public posting of exact areas where there are good concentrations of animals only leads to overcrowding in my experience and shortly after the place is shot out, full of garbage and ruined. Maybe that won't be the case this time, but if it is I'll be the first one to get on here and let everyone know.
I don't think my point of view is selfish. I think the majority of people, at least the ones I know, would be a little miffed if someone posted exact directions to their hunting grounds.....public land or not. If they say otherwise, I'd question their integrity.
I've met some great folks from Ada County who come over this way to hunt. But they came and explored on their own and found it on their own. I find no fault with that.
Finally, I do not work in Boise. I don't go there very often either unless there's something I can't get here in Mt Home.
And yes, I do consider it to be MY public land. I spent the last 30 years in the military defending it. I remove trash from it every time I use it. I've planted sage brush and bitterbrush on it without compensation. If you can't understand why I don't want it advertised to the hordes, that's not my issue!
cjg_beef
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I agree with Mason Jarr for the most part. I've taken some guys out a few times and then they burned me and I saw their pick-up out there or heard they went out there with a few other guys. I've worked hard and spent a bunch of $$ searching for the areas that I hunt and I don't like to give them out. I hunt mostly public land so it's free game to everyone but I just don't like it when guys give away my hunting areas. I'll send you in a good direction and if you stubble upon some good spots that's great but I won't give away exact gps coordinates to the "honey holes" I've stubbled on.
Lungbuster
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I don't think my point of view is selfish. I think the majority of people, at least the ones I know, would be a little miffed if someone posted exact directions to their hunting grounds.....public land or not. If they say otherwise, I'd question their integrity.
If you can't understand why I don't want it advertised to the hordes, that's not my issue!
Well said.... I'm new to this area also, but every weekend I'm racking up the miles (and the gas money) trying to get ready for hunting season. I've had a few locals offer to show me where they hunt, but if they do that than I am obligated to only hunt there when I am with them. If I find my own places to hunt, than I can hunt them anytime I want( at least, thats the way it works in my mind).
There are a few people on this board that I look forward to hunting with this fall, and when they take me to thier spots, even if it is public property, it is still their spots ......and I will only hunt there when I am their guests.....
I don't think my point of view is selfish. I think the majority of people, at least the ones I know, would be a little miffed if someone posted exact directions to their hunting grounds.....public land or not. If they say otherwise, I'd question their integrity.
If you can't understand why I don't want it advertised to the hordes, that's not my issue!
Well said.... I'm new to this area also, but every weekend I'm racking up the miles (and the gas money) trying to get ready for hunting season. I've had a few locals offer to show me where they hunt, but if they do that than I am obligated to only hunt there when I am with them. If I find my own places to hunt, than I can hunt them anytime I want( at least, thats the way it works in my mind).
There are a few people on this board that I look forward to hunting with this fall, and when they take me to thier spots, even if it is public property, it is still their spots ......and I will only hunt there when I am their guests.....
I.O.N.Doyle
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There are a few people on this board that I look forward to hunting with this fall, and when they take me to thier spots, even if it is public property, it is still their spots
But what does that have to do with anything really? It is only their spot to you but not to me. If I go there wouldn't it be my spot? Why are you hunting at my spot anyway? You guys aren't the only ones who have spent time, effort, and gas going to these locations. You guys aren't the only ones with military duty defending it. You guys aren't the only ones who have picked up trash. There is likely nothing that anybody here has done that somebody else has not done also. The simple fact is that the area has grown (for the worse in a lot of ways) and the amount of users has grown also (not limited to coyote hunters). Yes it sucks and yes there is a lot more abuse of the land than there used to be but everybody has the same right to use it as anybody else, if somebody is doing something wrong on it then that is another story. Whether it is somebody who has spent decades exploring it or if it somebody who heard from somebody else where to go and is out for the first time, the same right to be there. I tend to hunt further west but have certainly spent some time in the area of question and will continue to do so, maybe even more this year now. It is only my spot if I am there first, if I am not then it is not my spot and will have to continue on.
There are a few people on this board that I look forward to hunting with this fall, and when they take me to thier spots, even if it is public property, it is still their spots
But what does that have to do with anything really? It is only their spot to you but not to me. If I go there wouldn't it be my spot? Why are you hunting at my spot anyway? You guys aren't the only ones who have spent time, effort, and gas going to these locations. You guys aren't the only ones with military duty defending it. You guys aren't the only ones who have picked up trash. There is likely nothing that anybody here has done that somebody else has not done also. The simple fact is that the area has grown (for the worse in a lot of ways) and the amount of users has grown also (not limited to coyote hunters). Yes it sucks and yes there is a lot more abuse of the land than there used to be but everybody has the same right to use it as anybody else, if somebody is doing something wrong on it then that is another story. Whether it is somebody who has spent decades exploring it or if it somebody who heard from somebody else where to go and is out for the first time, the same right to be there. I tend to hunt further west but have certainly spent some time in the area of question and will continue to do so, maybe even more this year now. It is only my spot if I am there first, if I am not then it is not my spot and will have to continue on.
Brendan43
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What the heck are all these people freaking out over? We hunt friggin' coyotes, not gold bullion. I live over in Meridian with Ada county plates and everything. PM me and I'll show you and your son some places to go. I teach school so I don't have much goin' on in the summer. Heck- I might even take you to some of my favorite places out by Mountain Home. Really,if you want to hunt dogs, you came to the right state. If you like badgers, you have attained nirvana. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Dave Allen
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Head east towards Mountain Home, Turn south on hwy. 51 hunt althe way south to the Border or to that Indian Reservation.
What ?? Bofire..come on dude..you hand out direction's..via..the worldwide web..so everyone in the world know's where you think someone wanting to hunt southern idaho should go..yet you can't remember the name of the reservation ?? in my opinion..you should have sent the original poster a p.m. now that everyone know's the general location..BTW..it's called the duck valley indian reservation..i could care less where yelm washington is..&..i have zero interest in looking it up..perhap's you would like to post direction's on the web toward's your favorite spot's..whadda ya say /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Head east towards Mountain Home, Turn south on hwy. 51 hunt althe way south to the Border or to that Indian Reservation.
What ?? Bofire..come on dude..you hand out direction's..via..the worldwide web..so everyone in the world know's where you think someone wanting to hunt southern idaho should go..yet you can't remember the name of the reservation ?? in my opinion..you should have sent the original poster a p.m. now that everyone know's the general location..BTW..it's called the duck valley indian reservation..i could care less where yelm washington is..&..i have zero interest in looking it up..perhap's you would like to post direction's on the web toward's your favorite spot's..whadda ya say /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
IdahoSawtooth
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Good grief is there nothing better to argue about. Mabey put some of this energy into the antis and stop bashing each other. JHansen if you ever get over on the eastern side of the state look me up and I will show you around (mabey even some of my spots that use to be somebody elses spot and somebodys before that) sorry I had to take a jab, that kind of makes my first statement pointless don't it.
Dave Allen
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as far as the public land thing goes..it's just that public land..nobody own's a spot.."however" i do think we all have to put in the time & gasoline investment to search out our desirable calling location's..if one want's to disperse this information via friend's so be it..&..i have done so..in my opinion i don't think it correct to get free information handed out..via..the web when some of us have worked hard to get what we have..
my comment's are not directed to the original poster..
my comment's are not directed to the original poster..
Brendan43
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I had to find every friggin' spot I hunt all by myself. You're right- it' cost a lot in gas and wear and tear on my rig. I have a few friends that are not as....enthusiastic as I am about the sport, so when they want to go, they call me. I don't resent it or worry. I'll show anyone where to hunt. I don't think people like that make such a big dent in things. Most of the inexperienced are the guys who show up at 9:00 am smoking slamming doors etc..The rest of us have already come and gone by then. If you show someone a few spots and they start hunting them, so what? I constantly find new spots- it's not like there's a shortage of them. The only problem with posting directions is that I believe Peta freaks monitor these kind of websites. If they started showing up on my stands-now that might bother me.
I.O.N.Doyle
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Good grief is there nothing better to argue about. Mabey put some of this energy into the antis and stop bashing each other.
No, there is nothing better to argue about. It keeps us all on our toes and unified better than it may seem. While it has seemed like arguing I think everybody has kept a pretty even keel over everything and been able to state points in a rational, sane manner to the point that their position is able to be thought through and considered. Most of the fighting with the anti's will be in a fashion that requires that we use our wits to get opinions across to the general public in such a matter that it sounds reasonable.
Good grief is there nothing better to argue about. Mabey put some of this energy into the antis and stop bashing each other.
No, there is nothing better to argue about. It keeps us all on our toes and unified better than it may seem. While it has seemed like arguing I think everybody has kept a pretty even keel over everything and been able to state points in a rational, sane manner to the point that their position is able to be thought through and considered. Most of the fighting with the anti's will be in a fashion that requires that we use our wits to get opinions across to the general public in such a matter that it sounds reasonable.
Curt Barrett
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JHansen, welcome to PM. Sorry your thread took turn South. I'm pretty sure this wasn't the results you were seeking. lol! It isn't like this all the time, Little more in the summer it seems.
Anyway, I can see valid points on both sides of this issue. I'm impressed that for the most part you fellas are keeping it respectful in light of how this subject can get tempers up sometimes.
On one hand I can sympathize with guys that have lived in an area for an extended time seeing things change, competition increase, good available hunting areas disappear. It is a bummer sometimes but has been going on for hundreds of years really.
Then the other side of the coin is JHansen is a tax paying Idaho resident and technically has as much right to hunt any public land he wants as anyone. I understand the animosity over giving directions on the web but I'm sure Bofire was simply trying to be helpful. Not divulge anyone's hunting spots. Just giving a hand. That's what we do here. I doubt JHansen will be coming over every weekend hammering the county. lol!
Like Mason_Jarr said, he was an Alaskan transplant once too. Alot of people are hunting areas they aren't native to I'll bet. Heck, we might want to hunt in Alaska sometime. lol! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Don't get to worked up guys. It will be fall before you know it. Plenty of coyotes out there.
Good hunting
Anyway, I can see valid points on both sides of this issue. I'm impressed that for the most part you fellas are keeping it respectful in light of how this subject can get tempers up sometimes.
On one hand I can sympathize with guys that have lived in an area for an extended time seeing things change, competition increase, good available hunting areas disappear. It is a bummer sometimes but has been going on for hundreds of years really.
Then the other side of the coin is JHansen is a tax paying Idaho resident and technically has as much right to hunt any public land he wants as anyone. I understand the animosity over giving directions on the web but I'm sure Bofire was simply trying to be helpful. Not divulge anyone's hunting spots. Just giving a hand. That's what we do here. I doubt JHansen will be coming over every weekend hammering the county. lol!
Like Mason_Jarr said, he was an Alaskan transplant once too. Alot of people are hunting areas they aren't native to I'll bet. Heck, we might want to hunt in Alaska sometime. lol! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Don't get to worked up guys. It will be fall before you know it. Plenty of coyotes out there.
Good hunting
Lost_River
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Personally as a lifelong Idaho resident,
I am against cats in the house!!
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I am against cats in the house!!
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Curt Barrett
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Personally as a lifelong Idaho resident,
I am against cats in the house!!
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LOL! +1 on that! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Personally as a lifelong Idaho resident,
I am against cats in the house!!
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LOL! +1 on that! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Lungbuster
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You guys aren't the only ones who have spent time, effort, and gas going to these locations.
I.O.N, if you put in the effort to find and scout the location and than you invite me to go hunting with you once. I would consider it your spot and not hunt there unless you were with me. But if I just happen to stumble across this same spot with out someone telling me where it is than I can hunt there anytime I want with out feeling like I am up to something sneeky.
Does that make sense?
In my mind it would be very disrespectful of me to go back to your spot.
I'm not trying to beat a dead horse,or speak for Mason_Jar or any one else, I just dont think you understand my position....
It's not so much that the public spot is mine , its that if I show you a good hunting spot you should respect the time and effort I put into finding it and stay out of there unless I am with you. And definitely dont tell all your buddies about it or broadcst its location over the internet....
Am I making sense?
You guys aren't the only ones who have spent time, effort, and gas going to these locations.
I.O.N, if you put in the effort to find and scout the location and than you invite me to go hunting with you once. I would consider it your spot and not hunt there unless you were with me. But if I just happen to stumble across this same spot with out someone telling me where it is than I can hunt there anytime I want with out feeling like I am up to something sneeky.
Does that make sense?
In my mind it would be very disrespectful of me to go back to your spot.
I'm not trying to beat a dead horse,or speak for Mason_Jar or any one else, I just dont think you understand my position....
It's not so much that the public spot is mine , its that if I show you a good hunting spot you should respect the time and effort I put into finding it and stay out of there unless I am with you. And definitely dont tell all your buddies about it or broadcst its location over the internet....
Am I making sense?
I.O.N.Doyle
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I just dont think you understand my position....
Actually I was quite able to comprehend your position the first time you said it. Those are your standards that you have set for yourself and more power to you.
The gist of the argument in the first place was what is the right and wrong way to get information on spots. The best way (and the way that I use) is to go out and find them yourself. But.....at the end of the day there is technically no wrong way to go about it. Finding them yourself, having a rancher or other hunter tell you about them, from the guy on the next bar stool down at the Dew Drop Inn, or from some guy off of the internet. None of them are illegal, immoral or fattening it just comes down to a persons own standards on how it is accepted. In the end, guys who take the time to find the spots and how to hunt them will always have the leg up on most other people. When these "sweet spots" get overhunted/overkilled then it will create other opportunities elsewhere and I will be there then.
I just dont think you understand my position....
Actually I was quite able to comprehend your position the first time you said it. Those are your standards that you have set for yourself and more power to you.
The gist of the argument in the first place was what is the right and wrong way to get information on spots. The best way (and the way that I use) is to go out and find them yourself. But.....at the end of the day there is technically no wrong way to go about it. Finding them yourself, having a rancher or other hunter tell you about them, from the guy on the next bar stool down at the Dew Drop Inn, or from some guy off of the internet. None of them are illegal, immoral or fattening it just comes down to a persons own standards on how it is accepted. In the end, guys who take the time to find the spots and how to hunt them will always have the leg up on most other people. When these "sweet spots" get overhunted/overkilled then it will create other opportunities elsewhere and I will be there then.
shrek
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Okay I'm about to die laughing reading this post. If those spots are the best then you guys haven't seen good yet. First off. Your spots are no secret. Shoot my great grandfather trapped and hunted there for a living. Now you have the great Mountain Home AirForce Base. Where do you think all our good soldiers head? haha also where do you think everyone in Marsing, homedale, and Jordan Valley hunt? Or how about Bruneau. haha yeah its not secret boys.
haha but what ever you boys want to argue over.
JHansen....Do yourself a favor. Start hunting close and start working your way out of Boise. I have killed as many coyotes within 30 minutes of Boise as I have 3 hours from Boise. Use your brain. You just need to be smarter then the average dork chasing coyotes. If it looks way to obivious it probably is. You may have to change your style a little depending on the areas. Don't tell these other guys but some of the best coyote hunting I ever had was in Eagle. Dang near in town. You may need to switch weapons. I started with a 22-250 and found my partner was killing more with his 12 gauge. We seen all the videos of dogs at 200+ yrds and thought that is what it would be like. We shot more at 10-50yrds then we ever have at long range.
Also do yourself a favor and experiament with your calls and take notes. You can watch 50 videos and 49 of them say the same thing. So guess what everyone is going to be doing. Hunt coyotes like you hunt turkeys. Excpet add the scent into the equation. You know you can call a dog when you can toast multiple dogs and they all fall under 70yrds.
Try to think like a coyote. If there is a ton of feilds around that are short grain then one feild that is corn the yote is going to hang out in the corn. But instead of hiting it with the screaming rabbit try a mouse. You will be supprised how far they will hear the mouse squeak. Or if you can try a cat or kitten in distress. Another great one is starlings in distress or chickens. haha I have even staked out a chicken and let him call the coyotes/foxes for me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
As far from normal as you can get the better.
Good Luck
haha but what ever you boys want to argue over.
JHansen....Do yourself a favor. Start hunting close and start working your way out of Boise. I have killed as many coyotes within 30 minutes of Boise as I have 3 hours from Boise. Use your brain. You just need to be smarter then the average dork chasing coyotes. If it looks way to obivious it probably is. You may have to change your style a little depending on the areas. Don't tell these other guys but some of the best coyote hunting I ever had was in Eagle. Dang near in town. You may need to switch weapons. I started with a 22-250 and found my partner was killing more with his 12 gauge. We seen all the videos of dogs at 200+ yrds and thought that is what it would be like. We shot more at 10-50yrds then we ever have at long range.
Also do yourself a favor and experiament with your calls and take notes. You can watch 50 videos and 49 of them say the same thing. So guess what everyone is going to be doing. Hunt coyotes like you hunt turkeys. Excpet add the scent into the equation. You know you can call a dog when you can toast multiple dogs and they all fall under 70yrds.
Try to think like a coyote. If there is a ton of feilds around that are short grain then one feild that is corn the yote is going to hang out in the corn. But instead of hiting it with the screaming rabbit try a mouse. You will be supprised how far they will hear the mouse squeak. Or if you can try a cat or kitten in distress. Another great one is starlings in distress or chickens. haha I have even staked out a chicken and let him call the coyotes/foxes for me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
As far from normal as you can get the better.
Good Luck
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