Coyotes being called dogs.

I have a lot of respect for the animals I hunt. It irritates me to hear them given degrading names, dogs/coyote, ditch parrots/pheasants, speed goat/antelope. I guess I might be more sensitive to coyotes being called dogs because at more than one time I've had to hunt feral dog packs that were causing problems.

According to the dictionary coyote is a three syllable word ending in "tee" but notes that a chiefly western pronunciation is a two syllable word ending in "ote". So everyone is in the clear there.
 
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Originally Posted By: reaper4I'm not really sure why it would even register as a thought to be bothered by it Yes indeed.

I often wonder just how bad things will have to get before people within our own community will stop thinking up new trivial reasons to disagree with each other.
 
Originally Posted By: orkanOriginally Posted By: reaper4I'm not really sure why it would even register as a thought to be bothered by it Yes indeed.

I often wonder just how bad things will have to get before people within our own community will stop thinking up new trivial reasons to disagree with each other.

 
I find it funny how much dissention there is amongst coyote hunters. We squable over such silly things as what the proper term is or hand calls vs ecallers. A lot of guys dont like the long range coyote hunters and to a lot of guys thats part of the fun. I personally dont really like guys that run them with greyhounds and a lot of folks dont like the fact that I enjoy coyote contests so much.

I call coyotes dogs frequently along with a host of other names. Who in the [beeep] cares what we refer to them as. If I am telling a story and say "I killed a big dog this morning!" and you puff out your chest and proclaim "behold this large Coyote whose life I have ended!" does not mean I respect the animal or sport any less than you do.

As far as the antis ive already spent far too much of my life trying to be sensitive to others views and it has done ZERO good im done doing anything to placate them.

The truth is we are all spokes of the same wheel and if we want to continue rolling along and doing what we do we all need to stick together.
 
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Originally Posted By: FairChase93As far as the antis ive already spent far too much of my life trying to be sensitive to others views and it has done ZERO good im done doing anything to placate them. Lots of wisdom there. The "be nice and get along" approach has been done. Over and over again.

People's sensitivities are irrelevant. Always someone somewhere sitting around waiting to be offended.
 
Originally Posted By: DoubleCKCan you tell the difference????




Is the coyote the one with the gun? And the "dog" is kinda anxious because he has heard about all the dog killings? That's messed up!
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Originally Posted By: GCOriginally Posted By: DoubleCKCan you tell the difference????




Is the coyote the one with the gun? And the "dog" is kinda anxious because he has heard about all the dog killings? That's messed up!
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I don't know a lot about coyotes, but I'm pretty sure this is a dog:


 
Originally Posted By: fw707

I don't know a lot about coyotes, but I'm pretty sure this is a dog:




that looks like a really tired coyote from up in a Kentucky holler.
 
Originally Posted By: orkanOriginally Posted By: FairChase93As far as the antis ive already spent far too much of my life trying to be sensitive to others views and it has done ZERO good im done doing anything to placate them. Lots of wisdom there. The "be nice and get along" approach has been done. Over and over again.

People's sensitivities are irrelevant. Always someone somewhere sitting around waiting to be offended.

I agree, I am however concerned what the 80 percent of americans who don't hunt think about hunters and the way we conduct ourselves. Thats why I try to speak accurately and respectfully about our activities and do my best not to needlessly upset generally supportive people by using terms that are inaccurate at best and inflammatory at worst. Just my 2 cents, and now I'm moving on.........
 
Originally Posted By: jcs271
I agree, I am however concerned what the 80 percent of americans who don't hunt think about hunters and the way we conduct ourselves. Thats why I try to speak accurately and respectfully about our activities and do my best not to needlessly upset generally supportive people by using terms that are inaccurate at best and inflammatory at worst. Just my 2 cents, and now I'm moving on.........

That's it right there. It's about effective communication. Words have meaning. It's up to us to clearly articulate to the fence-sitters why we do what we do. We can communicate well and hopefully convince them of the justness of our cause, or we can be crappy communicators and leave them with a bad taste in their mouths. It's all up to us. How do you want to be perceived?
 
Originally Posted By: DesertRamOriginally Posted By: jcs271
I agree, I am however concerned what the 80 percent of americans who don't hunt think about hunters and the way we conduct ourselves. Thats why I try to speak accurately and respectfully about our activities and do my best not to needlessly upset generally supportive people by using terms that are inaccurate at best and inflammatory at worst. Just my 2 cents, and now I'm moving on.........

That's it right there. It's about effective communication. Words have meaning. It's up to us to clearly articulate to the fence-sitters why we do what we do. We can communicate well and hopefully convince them of the justness of our cause, or we can be crappy communicators and leave them with a bad taste in their mouths. It's all up to us. How do you want to be perceived? I find that reasonable people can be drawn to reasonable conclusions quite easily. Those people wouldn't care if we called them dogs, coyotes, coy-o-tee's, or predators. Reasonable people, however, are not the problem. Overly-sensitive, emotional, and illogical/irrational people are the problem. In my experience, there is no form of communication that will sway that person from their beliefs, other than being victimized.

I recall a neighbor lady of mine that lived about 5 miles down the road. She hated that I shot coyotes. Then one day I get a call, begging me to come and track down a coyote that grabbed her cat out of the yard. I was asked to find it, kill it, and bring the remains of the cat back... all teary eyed. Prior to that moment, I had spent countless hours, over meals, lunches, coffee's at the local diner, etc... trying to get her to understand the usefulness of my endeavors. Nothing made a dent, which saddened me because her property held lots of coyotes. Yet after she was victimized and something SHE cared about was killed... THEN it mattered. Yet the neighbor down the road from her losing 50 lambs minimum every year to coyotes didn't phase her a bit.

Language doesn't matter. Culture matters. Some people are simply not exposed to the things that would lead to them forming a certain opinion. They think they are intelligent and rational people, yet have no empathy or imagination which guides their decision making process. They lack critical thinking ability. As such, events are required to take place before they change. Talking... well, talking does absolutely nothing with those folks. I have learned this many times through hard and bitter experience.

As most of us here are capable of critical thinking, and are logical, we want to think that all folks are logical. All we need to do is talk some sense into them in the right way. This is a false belief.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't all conduct ourselves professionally while engaged in our sport. Obviously that is true. Yet having a realistic understanding of our enemy is greatly important as well.
 
Originally Posted By: ZegleWhen people use the term "dog" I don't mind so much.
The thing that bugs me is when people say it like "COYOTEE" (kahy-oh-tee)...bugs the he11 out of me. Maybe its just regional or cultural differences, but I say it like Coyote (kahy-oht)
Some people pronounce him with one syllable like kouts. I don't care much for yotes or otes I prefer a coyotes. Kiyotees does not bother me

Yep I remember coyote gods too.
 
Perhaps Shakespeare can shed some enlightenment on our conversation:

O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title.
 

Originally Posted By: orkanOriginally Posted By: DesertRamOriginally Posted By: jcs271
I agree, I am however concerned what the 80 percent of americans who don't hunt think about hunters and the way we conduct ourselves. Thats why I try to speak accurately and respectfully about our activities and do my best not to needlessly upset generally supportive people by using terms that are inaccurate at best and inflammatory at worst. Just my 2 cents, and now I'm moving on.........

That's it right there. It's about effective communication. Words have meaning. It's up to us to clearly articulate to the fence-sitters why we do what we do. We can communicate well and hopefully convince them of the justness of our cause, or we can be crappy communicators and leave them with a bad taste in their mouths. It's all up to us. How do you want to be perceived? I find that reasonable people can be drawn to reasonable conclusions quite easily. Those people wouldn't care if we called them dogs, coyotes, coy-o-tee's, or predators. Reasonable people, however, are not the problem. Overly-sensitive, emotional, and illogical/irrational people are the problem. In my experience, there is no form of communication that will sway that person from their beliefs, other than being victimized.

I recall a neighbor lady of mine that lived about 5 miles down the road. She hated that I shot coyotes. Then one day I get a call, begging me to come and track down a coyote that grabbed her cat out of the yard. I was asked to find it, kill it, and bring the remains of the cat back... all teary eyed. Prior to that moment, I had spent countless hours, over meals, lunches, coffee's at the local diner, etc... trying to get her to understand the usefulness of my endeavors. Nothing made a dent, which saddened me because her property held lots of coyotes. Yet after she was victimized and something SHE cared about was killed... THEN it mattered. Yet the neighbor down the road from her losing 50 lambs minimum every year to coyotes didn't phase her a bit.

Language doesn't matter. Culture matters. Some people are simply not exposed to the things that would lead to them forming a certain opinion. They think they are intelligent and rational people, yet have no empathy or imagination which guides their decision making process. They lack critical thinking ability. As such, events are required to take place before they change. Talking... well, talking does absolutely nothing with those folks. I have learned this many times through hard and bitter experience.

As most of us here are capable of critical thinking, and are logical, we want to think that all folks are logical. All we need to do is talk some sense into them in the right way. This is a false belief.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't all conduct ourselves professionally while engaged in our sport. Obviously that is true. Yet having a realistic understanding of our enemy is greatly important as well.


Very well said and you summed it up as good as can be said.


 


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