Crimping Barnes 62 gr TSX

FishSqueezer

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I loaded up some 62 Barnes TSX last week for my ordered AR. I'm thinking about putting a slight crimp on to prevent potential bullet slip. However, if my OAL is 2.25, that puts the rim of my case right at one of the pressure grooves. I'm not sure what to do other than seat the bullet deeper or shallower to avoid the groove next time. Anybody else experience the same thing or have suggestions?

Thanks!
 
I've shot that bullet between 2.250 and 2.260 in a mini 14 without crimping. Really most of that groove is out of the case on the ones I just looked at it.
 
When I had the OAL at 2.250-2.260 it seemed to create enough of a gap that I was worried about lint and other debris getting stuck in it. Do you think that a crimp is possible with these OAl's?
 
I doubt it would crimp well by the look of my rounds. I don't crimp any rounds so can't really say if it'd work.

I did get a crimp die for the gun but after researching came to the opinion it wasn't needed. Maybe I'm wrong but I've never had any problems.

With that bullet I think I'm around 3000fps in a 20in 1in8 twist barrel. Only shot a few coyotes with the 62gr TSX and all were DRT with quarter size exits on broadside shots. I haven't tried it at longer ranges past 150 but on paper it shoots minute of crow out to 330yds with a 1.5-4.5x scope.
Tried the 65gr Gameking as well another good option for a heavier higher BC game bullet for 2.260 mag length.

edit, I don't think anything will get stuck in the groove
 
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If you have good case neck tension I wouldn't worry about crimping it - my opinion anyway.
 


I use a Lee crimp die, around $18

I crimp all rounds that go in my AR's. It is the right thing to do.

You do not have too but I play it safe.
 
Originally Posted By: willy1947

I use a Lee crimp die, around $18

I crimp all rounds that go in my AR's. It is the right thing to do.

You do not have too but I play it safe.

You're gonna have to 'splain that one please...
 
Originally Posted By: GCOriginally Posted By: willy1947

I use a Lee crimp die, around $18

I crimp all rounds that go in my AR's. It is the right thing to do.

You do not have too but I play it safe.

You're gonna have to 'splain that one please...


Glad you ask. There is no test you have to pass to load your own ammo.

The facts are this; do not believe anything about reloading on the internet. Find an NRA reloading class near you and take the course.

The following is just things that I do when I reload ammo. They are not right or wrong it is just how I load. I started loading at 14 and I am 64 now. I am still alive.

Any round I loaded in an auto loading firearm, I crimp. I use only bullets; I can crimp and are made for that caliber.

Say you have a feed problem and the bullet is moved back into the case. When, it is fired, chamber pressure will climb. If the case is full of powder and you compress the charge that will add to the pressure. If you rifle does not blow up, you will shoot high and miss your target.

Recoil can push bullets back into the case in the box magazine. It happened to me with my first 700/7mm rem mag. recoil was pushing my reloaded bullets back into the case in the box magazine. I started crimping.

All factory rounds are crimped, when I reload I look for bullets that not only the right diameter but are made for the caliber. 308 bullets for the 308 Marlin express have different crimp grooves placement than a bullet for a 308 win or 30-06. To hold the right over all length for the round, they move the groove.

Bullet companies make bullets that are just for the AR platform. Call a Ammo Company up and tell them you want 1,000, 5.56’s with no bullet crimp. The phone line will go dead if you are lucky.

If you shoot .223rem in a bolt action rifle at the bench, you can seat the bullet to give you the best ogive, for the best group and have no crimp. You can load short or long bullets and install a single shot load ramp

I do not crimp rounds when I target shoot with my bolt action rifles. I only size the neck with a bushing die.

I crimp rounds, I hunt with or feed thru an auto, lever or pump action rifle.

Find an NRA reloading class near you and take the course. They give a test.

PS: When, I elk or deer hunt and the weather turns bad I use my backup rifle sighted in with factory ammo. The factory ammo is crimped and sealed. It is a 1949 Winchester 1894 in 32 Winchester Special. The rifle was a gift from my Dad.
 
Originally Posted By: willy1947
The facts are this; do not believe anything about reloading on the internet.


You read it hear boys and girls. Go info, so why did you post the rest ?
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Sorry ,I couldn't help myself....still laffin' !
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W1947, I killed my first buck with a 32 WS . Cool old gun, is my Gramps and he still uses it. He's 89 !
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Originally Posted By: 1badsheeIve never crimped a round before AR or bolt gun, should never be a need for it if you have proper neck tension.

This -> +1
 
All,

I really appreciate your responses on this. I'm new to AR's and pretty new to reloading, so please bear with me. I would really like to use these bullets if possible, but I don't think a crimp will work on them?? So, if I were to rely on neck tension, how does one know how much is needed? Is there a way to measure this?

Guess I would feel better if I knew how much force is associated with the recoil from an AR and how much neck tension I need to withstand that force/prevent bullet slip.

Thanks
 
The ideal neck tension for 223 is 75 lbs. Anywhere from 50 to 100 is fine.
To measure it you need a scale(bathroom type is fine) and some way to apply pressure. Arbor press, drill press, anything that can gradually increase pressure till the bullet moves.

Jack
 
I used a slight crimp loading the 62 gr Barnes in a 1:9 RRA. Shot well with no excessive pressure signs, and yes the crimp fell into the "gaps" on the projectile. This was loading Varget at the recommended high end of powder charge. Shot 3/4 inch off of a backpack for a rest (100 yds). Want to try a sturdier rest a at a real range some time; but I think it'll serve well. Note: 16" Tactical Entry with 3x12 Nikon (BDC) scope. Haven't drawn blood with the combo yet, but am ready to try. PS: This was a slightly compressed load.
 
W. Hopmann,

Sounds like you've got her dialed in with Varget. I had a full can of Benchmark, so I thought I'd start with that.

Can you elaborate on your crimping method? What was your OAL?

Thanks!
 
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