cs24 or hellfire

pokeyjeeper

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I'm looking at getting a e-caller and I'm looking for some input from you guys first i'm a hand caller I don't call large open spots just looking for something to put some back ground sounds in with my hand calls I know the cs24 has a 24 bit driver what dose the hellfire have and how many of FoxPro's sounds are 24 bit sounds thank for the input
 
The Hellfire is a nice ecaller and works well, but it can't compare to the CS-24. You can see how many 24 bit sounds are offered at the FoxPro site under the sound library listing. The big advantage to the CS-24 over the hellfire is the FHSS technology used and the TX-1000 remote which is much easier to read and loaded with user friendly features like arranging your sounds into folders.
 
So if you take the remote & the sound storage capacity out of the equation, is the CS24 still that much better than the hellfire?

Of the two, only the CS24 can put out 24bit sound, correct?

Do they both use the same speaker and have equal power to the speaker?

Thanks Al!
 
thanks for the replies guys I don't know what i'm going to get I don't need a e-caller that will call to the next state over most the sets I make are tight swamps small wood lots with big open farm fields
 
I pretty much hate my hellfire remote..I don't much care for my range either. Its still a good call, but I do wish I would have held out for cs24.
 
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Originally Posted By: possumal The big advantage to the CS-24 over the hellfire is the FHSS technology used and the TX-1000 remote which is much easier to read and loaded with user friendly features like arranging your sounds into folders.

Pay special attention to the part highlighted in red. It helps tremendously with the remote operating the caller reliably and having good range.

The CS24C has the TX1000 remote. The CS24B has the TX505 remote.
 
Originally Posted By: Oregon310So if you take the remote & the sound storage capacity out of the equation, is the CS24 still that much better than the hellfire?

Of the two, only the CS24 can put out 24bit sound, correct?

Do they both use the same speaker and have equal power to the speaker?

Thanks Al!

The CS-24 has a stereo amplifier and delivers a lot more power to the speaker. The FHSS technology makes the operating range far superior to the Hellfire. Either one will work the ecaller for practical distances but the CS-24 will work it much further.
 
Cool, thanks for the info guys.

Sorry to jack your thread pokeyjeeper, I hope the info helps us both.

So, just so I'm straight:

1- The FHSS tech is good, a big plus over the hellfire.
2- The CS-24C has the better remote
3- The CS-24 puts more horse power to the ground than the hellfire

So what about the 24bit sound thing, do I care about that? I hunt alone with hand calls, so I'm recording my calls in a studio & want to edit & play the sequences from the e-caller to get the source away from me a bit. Is the 24bit deal going to come into play there & make a better sound quality than other e-calls?

Thanks again for the time & education
 
A 24 bit sound won't do anything better then a good 16 bit CD quality sound..... If you are looking to play your own mixed sounds then go with a CS24 A, B, or C. What you will appreciate about its stereo AMP is that when you record your hand calls, with creative editing you can have the sounds switching back and forth from channel to channel... With an Aux speaker hooked to your Cs24 that switching effect can really add to the sounds struggling, fighting pleading effect. Think of it as a poor mans FOXFUSION.. But what do I know I drive a Minaska, and didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
 
My wife just ordered me the new CS24C. The way i look at is is "buy once, cry once". They are expensive but alot of my friends use the CS24B and swear by it. The down side is by the time you buy the call, batteries and charger + freight its almost $800. I was going to get the hellfire because of the price difference, but everyone that i talked to said just wait until you can get the cs24 and you will not want for another call. They have alot of the other foxpro calls including the shockwave and the one that they hunt with all the time is the CS24. I hope that helps.
 
Originally Posted By: Oregon310Cool, thanks for the info guys.

Sorry to jack your thread pokeyjeeper, I hope the info helps us both.

So, just so I'm straight:

1- The FHSS tech is good, a big plus over the hellfire.
2- The CS-24C has the better remote
3- The CS-24 puts more horse power to the ground than the hellfire

So what about the 24bit sound thing, do I care about that? I hunt alone with hand calls, so I'm recording my calls in a studio & want to edit & play the sequences from the e-caller to get the source away from me a bit. Is the 24bit deal going to come into play there & make a better sound quality than other e-calls?

Thanks again for the time & education oregon310 that's cool I just wanted some good info and all you guys came through thanks guys I may just wait till I can buy a cs24 but the hellfire looked like a good deal poor mans cs24 thanks all
 
The 24bit sound is higher quality but it may not ever make a difference to a predator. That is one of those things you may never be able to prove. I look at it like it is quality sound to match the quality equipment to play it on. If I can have the clearer sound, I want it. The volume could make a big difference in wide open country or extremely windy conditions. You won't regret getting the CS-24C
 
Possum, can you actually hear the differnce in a 24 bit sound compared to a 16 bit? Do you know if Foxpros 24 bit sounds were recorded in 24 bit or are they 16 bit sounds converted to 24 bit via software?
 
Originally Posted By: lowtempguruPossum, can you actually hear the differnce in a 24 bit sound compared to a 16 bit? Do you know if Foxpros 24 bit sounds were recorded in 24 bit or are they 16 bit sounds converted to 24 bit via software?


Read your signature "Who knew Dennis Kirk pioneered recording 24bit sounds". Yes DK was infatuated with improving the quality of the reproduction of calling sounds. If I recall correctly, in the Dec 92 issue of FFG he wrote an article about the limitations of calling cassettes and the advantages of mouth calls of the times. I don't recall if he got into 24 bit sounds in the article but I knew he was working on it before selling his business to NLC.
 
CT, thanks for the information on Dennis Kirk, his cassettes were some of the hardest to find for my library, it took me close to 2 years before I was able to track the last ones down. It's interesting, I'm going to have to go back and try to find that article, because frankly while Dennis has some quality sounds he also has some real poorly recorded dogs. I also heard that he didn't record a lot of his sounds but purchased them from outside sources.
 
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Yeah, many of his sounds were very poor which I found ironic given his passion of improving the reproduction and the delivery a calling sound. I believe he may have also been the first to produce and sell a video of calling coyotes (VHS of very poor quality by todays standards) and close to the first if not the first in writing and selling a detailed "how to" calling book "All You Need To Know About Fox Calling". Russell Tinsley wrote a calling book "Critters Come When Called" prior to that when he followed the Burnham Brothers hunting one summer, but DK's book was the first I found back then to be fully detailed in all areas (callers, lights, camo, wind, noise, odors, set-ups, approach, etc). DK even personally wrote in the book I ordered that if I ever needed more help to give him a call and he wrote his phone number in the book. I still have both of these books and read them from time to time yet as they were the only sources of information back then (no books, no internet, etc). Without FFG and these books, it was all trial and error. Fur Fish Game advertisements seemed to be the only way to find new sources of information and products back in the 80's. The first cassette calling tape I purchased was from the first FFG magazine I received as a teenager. The cassette brand was True To Life sold by a OH family coon hunting supply company that recently just called it quits. It turns out the cassette was a copy of Johnny Stewarts sounds where JS sued and won in court. I have that FFG magazine (my first) along with that cassette tape on display in my calling collection as those items are what got me started in calling.
 
Originally Posted By: lowtempguruPossum, can you actually hear the differnce in a 24 bit sound compared to a 16 bit? Do you know if Foxpros 24 bit sounds were recorded in 24 bit or are they 16 bit sounds converted to 24 bit via software?

I believe I can but wouldn't bet a lot of money on it. I can't answer your question about when 24 bit started, but it is more likely that they saved some of them as 16 bit to offer the customers with ecallers that would not play 24 bit. As I said before, I don't know if a coyote can tell the difference and I can't prove it makes a difference. It is all about confidence in your equipment and your sounds. I can guarantee you it will never hurt having better sounding sounds and equipment. If you don't hunt where there are coyotes, and don't know how to set up properly, you'll have a long learning curve.
 


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