Curious about your thoughts

Not to high-jack your thread, but that's one good thing about a "national" forum. I've learned a lot about Western hunting and how different it is than Eastern hunting. Also, as you said, I've learned about how a lot of states' laws may totally be the opposite of other states. I guess that shows you how vastly different habitat is throughout the US.
Yep same here and a very good point.
 
Wow, the 22 and 6 arc the cartridge that defies physics!Getting deep here.
Was a simple question and it’s more on the 22 cal. I mentioned the 6 cause the BC.

I can also build an arrow that defies physics. Just most people can’t wrap there head around it. No big deal, in life I chose not to be a sheep.
 
22-250 vs 22 ARC the 22-250 will be flatter shooting than the ARC with the same bullet just because the 22-250 can push them faster. Finding rifles in 22-250 that can use heavier bullets is the problem, but they are out there if you need to push heavies faster than the ARC, it will be a handloading effort though.
 
22-250 vs 22 ARC the 22-250 will be flatter shooting than the ARC with the same bullet just because the 22-250 can push them faster. Finding rifles in 22-250 that can use heavier bullets is the problem, but they are out there if you need to push heavies faster than the ARC, it will be a handloading effort though.
That is the whole basis of my question about BCs, because that is not what I’m experiencing. That said, maybe I’m missing something, or doing something wrong. I completely understand velocities and also the what should be’s in relation . Maybe I just simply can’t articulate my question where it can be understood. Either way it’s ok until you’ve had and spent time behind both, you can simply look at velocities and say what’s written. Or again maybe there is something I’m flat missing or doing wrong.
 
Using Hornadys Published data for their factory loads, which both show a 24 inch barrel, I pluged the numbers into their ballistic calculator. Aside from MV, BC, and bullet weight, all other variables were kept the same.

- 22 ARC 62 grain V-Match (left).
- 22-250 50 grain V-Max Superformance (right).

You can see that the 22 ARC does not "shoot flatter" (have less drop) until you hit 800 yards. However, energy is higher at only 200 yards. Also, wind drift is less the entire way, which ultimately is a bigger deal for shooting long range.

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Don't get me wrong, I love my 22 ARC. You can't beat it in a small frame AR. However, my 22 Creed will push that same bullet much faster. So will a 22-250 if you have the required rifling twist. That's just physics.
 
Don't get me wrong, I love my 22 ARC. You can't beat it in a small frame AR. However, my 22 Creed will push that same bullet much faster. So will a 22-250 if you have the required rifling twist. That's just physics.
I understand everything you posted. I guess there’s just something I’m missin something I’m doing wrong. Or something inconsistent on my 22-250. I’ve rebarreled it twice.
 
That is the whole basis of my question about BCs, because that is not what I’m experiencing. That said, maybe I’m missing something, or doing something wrong. I completely understand velocities and also the what should be’s in relation . Maybe I just simply can’t articulate my question where it can be understood. Either way it’s ok until you’ve had and spent time behind both, you can simply look at velocities and say what’s written. Or again maybe there is something I’m flat missing or doing wrong.
You're comparing applies to oranges, because you don't reload, & are shooting factory ammo.

Comparing applies to apples (same bullet in each), the 22-250 will always win due to a bigger boiler room.

BC isn't really a concern until you get around 400 yards & beyond.

Drop is easy to adjust with a spin of the dial, whereas wind is always your enemy, & BC wins that war at distance.

Speed wins at night.
 
I was going to write it in my own words but this excerpt from an article in petersens hunting regarding 62 eldvt in 22 arc and 55vmax in 22-250 explains it better than I can.
As to your findings of the arc outperforming 22-250 it could just be new gun syndrome. When I got my swift I would have swore that it was a magical Lazer compared to my old 22-250 but when I got it on the chronograph It turned out I'm shooting the same bullet at the same speeds lol.

"Heck, a 55-grain V-Max from a .223 Remington has a velocity of 3,240, and a .22-250 is substantially faster at 3,680 with a 55-grain V-Max. In contrast, the ELD-VT’s higher BCs allow it to perform better at extended ranges. The Hornady V-Max .22-250’s high muzzle velocity allow it to shoot slightly flatter than the 22 ARC to 500 yards, but by 600 yards the ARC shoots 2.3 inches flatter than the .22-250 when both rifles are zeroed at 100 yards. The ARC’s trajectory advantage grows as distances increase: at 700 yards the 22 ARC shoots 10 inches flatter than the .22-250 at 700 yards and almost 25 inches flatter at 800 yards."
 
I’d really like to hear your thoughts on BC or ballistic coefficient. I don’t reload as I don’t see a need for it,in my business if i can hold .5 to .75 moa that’s plenty good. Cause I don’t believe i could shoot better. I hear horror stories about Hornady factory loads, tho i personally haven’t experienced any issue. So to my question, how big of a factor is a high BC, when it comes to flat shooting. I understand the preverbal need for speed, I shot a 22-250 50 grain v max for a long time enough to rebarrel twice. That said my 22 arc makes it look like a 22 LR. Also my 6mm arc has quite a fur hold, even though it’s fairly weak on the muzzle velocity side of life. This isn’t a stoke the fire post, its an honest question, has any one tested this theory or have any kind of logical explanation. Or completely disagree, I do plan on running some test myself but most likely be springtime before i can. Thanks for any input.
I think it's over played BS myself. I do think though that higher BC will give better penetration as the bullet must be heavier and longer. But I also know guys that believe it gonna make their rifle shoot better really believe that. More power to them, free to think as they wish. Have to admit I am not a long range hunter either but do plink at excessive ranges.
 
I was going to write it in my own words but this excerpt from an article in petersens hunting regarding 62 eldvt in 22 arc and 55vmax in 22-250 explains it better than I can.
As to your findings of the arc outperforming 22-250 it could just be new gun syndrome. When I got my swift I would have swore that it was a magical Lazer compared to my old 22-250 but when I got it on the chronograph It turned out I'm shooting the same bullet at the same speeds lol.

"Heck, a 55-grain V-Max from a .223 Remington has a velocity of 3,240, and a .22-250 is substantially faster at 3,680 with a 55-grain V-Max. In contrast, the ELD-VT’s higher BCs allow it to perform better at extended ranges. The Hornady V-Max .22-250’s high muzzle velocity allow it to shoot slightly flatter than the 22 ARC to 500 yards, but by 600 yards the ARC shoots 2.3 inches flatter than the .22-250 when both rifles are zeroed at 100 yards. The ARC’s trajectory advantage grows as distances increase: at 700 yards the 22 ARC shoots 10 inches flatter than the .22-250 at 700 yards and almost 25 inches flatter at 800 yards."
Thank you that makes sense. I went back today and looked at some of the yardages I’ve been shooting. Didn’t realizes how far I was poking. Definitely making more sense now. I appreciate the comment. I’d add one more note without trying to restart anything. The arc is definitely more forgiving whether wind or me moving at higher magnification’s.
Thanks again.
 
In my opinion, BC is good to have but only really noticeable in certain situations. As many have previously stated, it’s good to have high BC bullets if you are shooting longer ranges. The places I hunt are close range. The furthest coyote I have shot, to my recollection, was only 122 yards, so my focus is not on BC at all, but rather accuracy and bullet prrformance once it hits its mark.

As an example, years ago I hunted deer a lot with a 7mm Rem. Mag. and a 160 gr. Sierra bullet that had, I think a BC of .560, very high BC. Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me with the .560 since charts now say about .455. Regardless, I think the furthest deer I shot with it was maybe 75 yards. The high BC of that bullet didn’t really do anything for me. It didn’t hurt either. It was a very accurate bullet in my rifle and had great performance in the field. That’s what matters most to me. I rarely look at BC.
 
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In my opinion, BC is good to have but only really noticeable in certain situations. As many have previously stated, it’s good to have high BC bullets if you are shooting longer ranges. The places I hunt are close range. The furthest coyote I have shot, to my recollection, was only 122 yards, so my focus is not on BC at all, but rather accuracy and bullet prrformance once it hits its mark.

As an example, years ago I hunted deer a lot with a 7mm Rem. Mag. and a 160 gr. Sierra bullet that had, I think a BC of .560, very high BC. Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me with the .560 since charts now say about .455. Regardless, I think the furthest deer I shot with it was maybe 75 yards. The high BC of that bullet didn’t really do anything for me. It didn’t hurt either. It was a very accurate bullet in my rifle and had great performance in the field. That’s what matters most to me. I rarely look at BC.
I agree I was just trying to understand my 22 arc seemed to outperform my my old 22-250. Even though velocity wise the arc was quite a bit slower. All using factory loads. I think I was stretching my shots a lot further then I initially thought I was. I also typically don’t have far shots. I do however extend while practicing. Seems to really concrete my close ones. Also allowing confidence in a further distance if situation dictates. It’s not perferred by no means, but my whole existence is to stop the killing of stock.
 


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