Decent price for a gun?

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Your 17 and you've got lots of time. If you are uncomfortable with the 30-06 then there is no way I would get a 300 WM. I've had two, and never did enjoy shooting them. I went back to the old 30-06 and 270 for my "Big rifles". I haven't hunted elk in over 20 years so I don't even need those rifles.
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My 6.5x55 works great for our big game "whitetails".

Around here the 06, 270's, and 7mm mags seem to be a dime a dozen. You may like the 7mag better later on.

Use you 30-06 and get good with it first. It'll probably handle anything you want to hunt in North America. It seems to have worked for around 100 years so far.

BTW you can download it to be closer to the 308's performance if you choose to make it a bit more comfortable to shoot.
 
Originally Posted By: getfoxyGrant need we talk about your new purchase? Lmao!

Yep. If he doesn't get a shooter right out of the box we will never hear the end of it......
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Originally Posted By: 2muchgunOriginally Posted By: getfoxyGrant need we talk about your new purchase? Lmao!

Yep. If he doesn't get a shooter right out of the box we will never hear the end of it......
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Im guessing you know? I didnt wanna be a spoiler. This is funny stuff.
 
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When I was 18 I owned a 03A3. Paid $15 for it. I could shoot 50 rounds and not think about it. Now I am 60 and realize that I just don't need all that recoil anymore. I shoot just as many dogs with my .223 as with anything else. As far as range time, I would much rather shoot accurately with .223, 22-250, 22 Hornet or even my .308 than put up with the recoil of anything larger. Had a 300 winmag for about 2 boxes of ammo. I learn slower than others. Go into your local gun store. Look at the used rifles in the racks. Most of them are heavy hitters. Why is that?????
 
As much as I would like to side with Tom(Hogghead) on this one, Leon is correct. I am simply not recoil shy at all, but some people are. That is just the way it is. My one friend, big fellow, has me sight in some of his magnums at times. He doesn't want to come out and say it, and usually makes up some kind of excuses, but the fact is, he simply doesn't care much for shooting them repeatedly off a bench. Everyones recoil threshold is different.

As far as the rifles go, yes that is a great deal on the 300 Win, but until you start taking some really long pokes with it, the only differences you will notice between it and the '06 are increases in recoil and ammo costs. JMO........
 
I thought I would get flamed a god bit more than I did. And I really did not say it to start trouble. It is just a simple theory. My mother in law is scared to death to drive on snow covered roads-so all she does is cry about it. So her kids are naturally scared of snow covered roads, because their mother constantly cries about it. It took me 10 years to get that out of my wifes head. Then she learned how to drive on snowy roads, and she now calls her mother paranoid.

The same principle occurs with recoil of a rifle.

Teach kids the proper way too shoot. The same way it was done 100 years ago with O3A3's. That was the only rifle there was available(to most). Kids and adults "learned" how to shoot properly.

Everybody talks about shooting at the range and shooting off the bench. That is not where a rifle is suppose to be shot for practice. And definitely not shot off a bench for practice.

Everyone tells me how itty bitty of a group they can shoot with their new wis-bang light cartridge and rifle. Then I take away the bench and sandbags and they can't hit a thing because that is not how they practice.

I understand all the principles of recoil. And flinching. No doubt. However IMO most flinching is caused by noise, not recoil. That is just my opinion, but I believe it to be true. When a shooter flinchs and pushes the rifle away that is when they cause the real pain of recoil, not when the rifle is held properly, and the trigger squeezed properly.

The other is poor triggers where hunters are anticipating the firing of the weapon.

I have seen kids shoot 338's with a suppressor and a great trigger-no flinching at all. With a ton of recoil. They simply were not scared of the rifle.

Teach your kids not to be scared, and proper shooting technique. And don't constantly "WHINE" about recoil. They will take to any cartirdige there is.

Magnums are not made to be shot off the bench. They are made to be hunted with. And when practicing you should practice in hunting conditions. How many times do you hear people say they do not mind the recoil when they are hunting?? And the reason for that is they are focusing on the shot. Not the recoil.

If you want a light recoiling rifle then buy one. But if you want to be a well rounded rifleman who can effectively shoot and hunt with any firearm then buck up and learn how to shoot the heavies. And if you don't want to do that, then don't do it. But quit crying about recoil and making up the mind of a kid before he even has a chance to properly learn how to shoot and handle "ALL" types of fireams. He may want to go hunt elephant someday-you never know.

If you want to make a challenge or a bet. Then I propose this bet. Put a suppressor on a 30-06 with no recoil reducing apparatus, and set it side by side with a 243 Winchester. Then have a kid shoot groups with both rifles. I bet you the group of the 30-06 will be smaller than the 243. I really believe shooters and especially kids are considerably more afraid of the noise. Tom.
 
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He could use the 17hmr for elephants though? Its a do it all caliber.

Tom, (can I call you that lol) i agree 110% with alot of your posting. Like I said I have grown up with the 30-06 and I shoot it fine. Can I feel it after awhile..? Sure. Just gotta deal with it.

But case in point here is he does not like tbe recoil. The problem has already started and if he isnt likibg a 30-06 he will not like a 300wm
 
I said "sight in" off the bench, not practice. However, your point is well taken.

My feeling is that inexpereienced shooters should start out with light recoiling rifles and work their way up.

I've seen plenty of weekend warriors with their new magnums leave the bench bleeding
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Originally Posted By: 2muchgun

I've seen plenty of weekend warriors with their new magnums leave the bench bleeding
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No doubt you are correct about that statement. However I am talking about properly training a youngin. Not the weekend warrior. I love the weekend warriors. Those guys are the guys I bought all my magnum rifles from. Heck I bought a 7 MM WBY EuroMark from a guy for $600 because he was scared to death of the recoil. So I love those guys.

But I am not talking about regular weekend warriors. I am talking about a youngin that I teach how to shoot. Or that you may teach how to shoot. Not the average guy. I would not consider the people in this conversation to be weekend warriors.

We all know that the proper way to teach a youngin how to shoot is with a 22 LR. That is common sense. But it amazes me how a parent will buy a kid a semi-automatic 22LR and a bolt action rifle for deer?? Never could understand that. I guess their is a "cool" factor with the semi. But you should match your 22 as close as possible to the deer rifle. That is why I really like the 9422 and the Model 94 Winchester with open sights. I have started several kids on those rigs. Some of them are in their late 20's now. And you can bet they know how to shot any cartridge or rifle known to man. Another great starter rig is an Encore with both barrels. The kid wil not even know the difference-this is for the guys who insist on starting their kids out on a scope instead of open sights. But that is another subject. Tom.
 
Yeah, I bought a few big bores off the weekend warrior discount special plan myself. You see them all the time.

My first gun was a Daisy Red Ryder. My first real gun was a single shot 20 guage. First thing I was taught was to always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

Next I got a couple of deer rifles(a pump and a lever gun) and a pump shotgun.

You are right, it's how you start out......
 
stop being such a pusss! Buy it already. Just kidding. That's a great price and the fact you're thinking about it means you've got some cash and thinking about another rifle. You might be able to make a few extra bucks on that deal by turning it around and selling or trading. You might want to look at the 25-06.
 
It is a good buy noob, but YOU need to decide. We can all offer you our opinion, but YOU are the one writing the check.

SO... ask yourself -

1.) If you already don't like the recoil on the 06, how are YOU going to feel about shooting something with more wallop than that?

2.) If you're already having problems with recoil on the 06, how is shooting the 300 going to affect your shooting with the 06? I'm guessing it's only going to make that situation worse.

3.) If you're not going to shoot it, can you afford it? Most of us old duffers probably have a gun or two we don't shoot much, some of us have one or two we probably paid A LOT for and don't shoot much. But we probably got a few more coins in our pocket than you got, and we can probably afford to have a gun just sitting in the gun safe. You on the other hand have gals to chase, and that means you have a car to keep up and buy gas for, you got pretty young gals to buy supper for and take to the movies, buy presents for occasionally, prom tuxes to rent. And, then there's college to think about shortly down the road.

If you can afford all of that, and afford a 300 you aren't gonna shoot. Then go ahead and buy it and park it in the safe bud. But when I was your age, I'd have saved my money for makin time with the gals, rather than parking a gun in the safe.
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I think Hogghead has a point. I grew up and still live in Southern Ohio. We never needed or could use BIG rifles. We a re a shotgun state so thats what we grew up on. I was shooting a 12 buy the time I was about 11 or 12 so you are right you shoot what you grow up on and whats around. A couple of weeks ago I bought a 7mm mag. I have never shot one of theses rifles before and had read alot of things about the recoil. So I got a good, proper hold of the gun and shot. After I shot I was like dand that wasnt nothin. So I thinik Hogghead is right its what your "Used" to. But I would buy that gun at that price and just keep it for later or turn it around and make some cash out of it.
 
Originally Posted By: Rocky1I'd have saved my money for makin time with the gals, rather than parking a gun in the safe.
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Women, the only hobby of mine more expensive than hunting!
 
Yeah me too... I shoulda bought the gun and put it in the safe. I'd still have it and all other goodies I gave up in 2 divorces!
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