Dedicated Varmint Rifle Cartridge?

Which cartridge is best for my application?

  • 6mm Creedmoor

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 243 Winchester

    Votes: 8 20.0%
  • 6 ARC

    Votes: 4 10.0%
  • 22-250 Remington

    Votes: 24 60.0%
  • Other (Specify below)

    Votes: 4 10.0%

  • Total voters
    40
I agree with username 223 on the 223 suggestion. Ha
That’s the easy button for a variety of factory offerings if needed. And you said 100-200 yards. Some may argue with me, but I don’t think you’d tell a difference between 233 and 22-250 at that yardage if shot placement is good with each.

If you wanted a little more oomph…a 6arc in an AR platform seems fun.
 
Welcome to PM, David.
I already have a Howa Mini 223. I don't trust it on coyote or long range groundhog. I'm personally leaning toward 243 1:9 or 8 twist in a 20" barrel so I could shoot light or heavier bullets.
Nothing wrong with the .223 for coyotes/bobcats and I'm sure fox (we don't have fox down here). 99% of my shots are 200 or less, but have taken out to 300. The 22-250 seems to be the favorite of most, and it would absolutely stretch that effective range, but I've never owned one. Used Dtech 243 WSSM (243 Win equivalent) for years. It was my favorite and a hammer on coyotes, but a bit hard on pelts (not an issue for me).
My first rifle was a 22-250 and I kind of miss it. Got rid of my 22-250 for a 308 Model Seven, years ago. Killed a pile of deer, groundhog, squirrel, and the odd turkey with it since. Never a fox or coyote.
Don't sell your .308 short if you are not interested in saving fur. A bit harder on hides than the .243, but not much. When I couldn't use the .243 looked at the .308 and developed 2 loads w/110 gr. Varmageddon which shot best in a BAR, and the 125gr NBT, shot well in Savage scout. Both are ballistically close to 243 Win and hammer coyotes.
 
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Don't sell your .308 short if you are not interested in saving fur. A bit harder on hides than the .243, but not much. When I couldn't use the .243 looked at the .308 and developed 2 loads w/110 gr. Varmageddon which shot best in a BAR, and the 125gr NBT, shot well in Savage scout. Both are ballistically close to 243 Win and hammer coyotes.

She currently wears a 2.5-8x Leupold and I'm looking to get the 2-10x. I have a 110gr Vmax load which I've used on the aforementioned groundhog and it worked well but not in the least bit fur friendly. I also know it'd absolutely destroy a fox. I do enjoy saving pelts for my own personal use if possible, which is why I was looking for something smaller. If I just wanted to kill I know the 308 would do it in spades. I killed a fox during deer season using my 270win and copper bullets and it was surprisingly fur friendly. A shame I couldn't save the hide because it was pretty mangy...
 
Understand. As far as fur friendly, your .223 w/55 gr NBT's (some prefer smaller/faster than that) works reasonably well, unless you hit a shoulder. The 22-250 also has reputation for being fur friendly. 243's & up, not so much, although, shooting a coyote w/the Garand was on my bucket list so I worked up a load w/125 NBT and shot this coyote @ 175 yards. Was very surprised at how little damage it did tight behind the shoulder.

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I retired last August. And I've taken my share of yotes and chucks. Been getting my rifles out of moth balls. I love a 243 Win. I use a Barnes 62 grain Varmint Grenade 45 grains of Win 760. Rifle Winchester M70 1:10 twist 26"Heavy Barrel Varmint with a Leupold 4.5-14×40. Rarely have these bullets exited. Also use for deer but not with the bullet. Have a great day guys.
 

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I retired last August. And I've taken my share of yotes and chucks. Been getting my rifles out of moth balls. I love a 243 Win. I use a Barnes 62 grain Varmint Grenade 45 grains of Win 760. Rifle Winchester M70 1:10 twist 26"Heavy Barrel Varmint with a Leupold 4.5-14×40. Rarely have these bullets exited. Also use for deer but not with the bullet. Have a great day guys.
Nice looking M70, you're going to like this retirement. :ROFLMAO: I ordered an M70 Long Range in a 22.250 can't wait till she gets here.
 
Nice looking M70, you're going to like this retirement. :ROFLMAO: I ordered an M70 Long Range in a 22.250 can't wait till she gets here.
I have a 220 Swift just like it setup the same way. They look like brother and sister. I bought them a year apart the SWIFT is a tack driver sub moa.
 
I have a 220 Swift just like it setup the same way. They look like brother and sister. I bought them a year apart the SWIFT is a tack driver sub moa.
my elk rifle is an M70 in a .338 Win mag, I bought it back in the mid 80's. It's got a sporter barrel on best I shot was a 4" group @533 yds. great hunting rifle.
 
Well, opinions are like belly buttons - everybody has one, so I’ll give my two cents worth. First I will say the 22-250 is a good one. I shot groundhogs for many years with that round in a 700 Remington. However, over the years I have tended to lean a little heavier and consider the .243 to be about as good as you can get for your intended purpose but with an added benefit - it can be used very well for deer. I think it is a very good dual purpose round. The 6mm’s in my opinion are great for coyotes, even the 6x45 that utilizes a .223 case with a 6mm bullet. I have dropped numerous coyotes with that round as well as a few fox, bobcats and deer.

Personally I have been eyeing the CVA Cascade in .243 lately. It has a Bergara barrel, very good factory trigger and free floated. Just yet anothet one to ponder.

Good luck with your decision, and hope to hear some future success stories.
 
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I have a 220 Swift just like it setup the same way. They look like brother and sister. I bought them a year apart the SWIFT is a tack driver
my elk rifle is an M70 in a .338 Win mag, I bought it back in the mid 80's. It's got a sporter barrel on best I shot was a 4" group @533 yds. great hunting rifle.
Not bad @533 yards. Just have to master that recoil.😁 The Win 70 22-250 good choice your gonna love it.
 
Hard to beat the 223 for your application. I’ve killed scores of coyotes with that cartridge.
I did end up picking up a 22-250 and it's lights out accurate with a 17.5" barrel and 55gr BT at 3300fps. I also have a 20" 223 I've killed fox and groundhog with but what I've heard about the 223 is that people either love it or they get a ton of runners. I don't want runners since I'm trying to save pelts and I hunt at night... so what bullet should I be using if I crack out my 223 for yote too?
 
Looking over this thread there so many great suggestions.
That honestly I can't really add to. I could but most is just the same girl in a different dress.

That being said I'm kind of surprised no one has even thrown out a AR-15 or a AR-10 format lower in maybe a pistol format (just in case a sale on a short barrel is offered). Then for the upper maybe a BCA bolt action upper (they have both AR-10 &15 uppers in the bolt action) or even a side charger. As a test bed for the cartridge before settling on the exact cartridge you want. Why am I suggesting this route as a possibility ?

I'm assuming you "might" / "probably" have one already (AR15 / AR10). If you don't I would probably NOT go this route. Unless this serves as a excuse to buy one.
And actually is not really a suggestion rather observation
Cost effectiveness, right now BCA has a sale on their some of the uppers.
In a Bolt configuration such as the BCA offering the port noise is eliminated when shooting suppressed. Now could one turn a side charger into a bolt Yep! easy remove gas tube install the gas block backwards blocking / covering the gas port. (eliminates the looking for a barrel without gas port)
Barrel swaps are easy. No gunsmith $$$ or wait time required on barrel swap out. Coupled that with USUALLY the barrels are already threaded.

Depending on what is in the currant Senate bill if it passes, as well date signed. Could result in less than 16" barrel being legal next year or soon after 2026.

Could this route / suggestion be more cost effective and the best route for you maybe, maybe not. It's just a idea and thought.
Understand I am of the opinion that a true Bolt gun is more accurate than a shell chucker as a rule. ( and rules are meant to be broken)
The downside it it does take away funds from a absolutely great varmint rifle build

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22-250 it is great choice in my opinion
On the .223 for Yote nailing not sure what to advise. Although Sierria does have a 69gr Blitzking I really like but only seen as a factory load. I've seen quite a few state their go to is the Hornady 53gr V-max on this site. And avoid the shoulder.
 
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I also have a 20" 223 I've killed fox and groundhog with but what I've heard about the 223 is that people either love it or they get a ton of runners. I don't want runners since I'm trying to save pelts and I hunt at night... so what bullet should I be using if I crack out my 223 for yote too?
As with any caliber, put a decent .223 bullet where it belongs and you won't get runners. As all do, I have had shots placed poorly over the years, and if shot is off the mark, they'll run with any caliber, but honestly haven't spent a lot time tracking and when I did, it was my fault. Hunted .223's exclusively for a number of years, keeping 99% of my shots 200 yards and under w/55 gr. NBT's out of both bolt gun and AR. Probably 90% of shots around 100-125 yds.
I use 55 gr. NBT @ 3000 fps and have also culled a number of hogs and whitetail does with head and neck shots with that bullet while coyote hunting. Only had one hog run and that was a full facing 45 yard shot; saw the bullet splash right between a boar's eyes, knocked him down flat but he recovered his footing and made it over the low rise on which he was standing. Lost that one, and vowed to never take that shot w/the 55 gr. bullet. Pick your shots and the 55 gr. NBT will do the job. Super accurate, as well.
 
I still can’t wrap my head around bullets and hogs heads. Then again most of my dead on head shots are generally dispatch type shots with a .22 at fairly close range, 15-20ft.
This is gonna sound stupid and probably is, but for me and calibers it’s a confidence issue. I own several AR15’s but just lack the confidence with them. I’ve killed plenty of deer and even pigs with them shooting 53gr Superformance. But I lost confidence on hogs that run.
I’d lose them because of no blood and them acting as though they were never hit. Buzzards would let me know that wasn’t the case a couple days later!
What’s crazy is the deer would either fall on the spot or make it 20-30yds before falling dead. Most all of these shots were 100yds or less.
I made the jump to the .308 and never had another issue, lol. Now after being on this sight I’ve dropped to a .243 shooting the 87gr Vmax and that so far has produced like the .308. While I haven’t got to try it on coyotes yet, it’s proven to be a very fine hog round!
 
I still can’t wrap my head around bullets and hogs heads. Then again most of my dead on head shots are generally dispatch type shots with a .22 at fairly close range, 15-20ft.
This is gonna sound stupid and probably is, but for me and calibers it’s a confidence issue. I own several AR15’s but just lack the confidence with them. I’ve killed plenty of deer and even pigs with them shooting 53gr Superformance. But I lost confidence on hogs that run.
I’d lose them because of no blood and them acting as though they were never hit. Buzzards would let me know that wasn’t the case a couple days later!
Probably true. I chose a .223 bolt gun for predators when I switched from deer to predators years ago, then discovered AR's:). It worked great for my conditions and when landowner asked me to cull does and shoot hogs, just kept on dancin' with the gal that brung me. I've shot coyotes w/everything from the ,223 up to 375 h&h (2), just whatever I have in my hand at the moment. Believe it or not the .375 was only 50/50: one drt, the other, I misjudged range on a coyote facing me @ about 150 yards. Held too high thinking he was more like 225 and hit him at the base of his left ear. He went down like he'd been pole axed but jumped up and fortunately started spinning and I got a 2nd shot. There was a hole in his scull and ear was attached only by thin strips of fur on each side of the ear. Just proves that it doesn't make any difference what you're shooting, shot placement is king.

As for the hog, probably need a bit more information of this particular shot. I was sitting on a low chair overlooking a water hole when this boar came trotting over a rise, about 3' higher than my eye level. He had his head down and I aimed between his eyes. I saw the splash when bullet found it's mark and his knees buckled, but he rolled back to his feet, turned and disappeared back over the rise before I could get a 2nd shot....even with the AR!

I've re-run that scenario many times and I believe that, since I was shooting from low position, and due to the shape of a hog's nose, the bullet struck almost parallel to the snout and ricocheted off his skull. He left little or no blood and disappeared into a very dense thicket, so unable to recover. I don't fault the bullet or caliber, just the shooter on that one.

Have taken a lot of whitetails, hogs and coyotes w/223 and don't feel a bit handicapped, other than range with the little quarter bore; have shot out to 300 but conditions gotta be favorable beyond 200. Bet I could count on one hand the number of coyotes, only one hog and no deer that ran with that load over the years.
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I really like the 50 gr SX in a 223 AR for coyote ,fox, raccoon. Very easy on fur inside 200 yards. No tip allows for seating depth adjustment in the mag. Bullet is much cheaper than other bullets, so load development/testing can be extensive. All three of my AR will shoot moa or less with the bullet, Benchmark is the easy powder. H322 works well of course. I haven't had runner issues, bullet doesn't exit on headshots, doesn't splash on hair.
 
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