Deer on Game Ranches
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UgashikBob
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I'm not saying this to offend anyone but it is sad to me to see the sport of hunting confused with a procurement excercise. I realize that in some areas there are not other options and I truly feel sorry for the people that are deprived of the reward of knowing they have done the entire hunt themselves. If only we could magically remove money from the equation the sport could return to what it once was.
This is not a value judgment on people who have to pay to hunt just a statement saying I wish it was a level playing field where you couldn't buy whatever your definition of success is and a hunter was judged on what he did himself not what he paid for.
This is not a value judgment on people who have to pay to hunt just a statement saying I wish it was a level playing field where you couldn't buy whatever your definition of success is and a hunter was judged on what he did himself not what he paid for.
Now Bob, we can't all live on the edge of Lake Alaska. I wish we could, but you wouldn't want all us rednecks trapsing around your neck of the woods, or eh, tundra. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif Laying all joking aside however, I agree with your statement Bob. I wish we all could go on self guided, well planned out do-it-yourself hunts. The fact is work, family, and other factors come into play. Also, some states like Alaska, require out of state hunters to hire a resistered guide to hunt certain species like Brown Bear. I see absolutely nothing unethical or wrong in hiring a guide and going on a legitimate hunt. I've done it several times in the past and have had some successful, rewarding hunts, and some not. There is however, one "guided" hunt you wouldn't find me on, and although I, like you, do not condim those who find this type of "hunt" appealing, it's just not for me. It's the fenced in "Ranch" experience that I don't care for. Now, mind you, I've never been on one and I may not know what the heck I'm talking about. Maybe I watch too much Outdoor channel, but having some "guide" sitting behind me telling me which buck I can afford to shoot after drinking hot coffee in our heated and sound proof "shooting house" all morning, while watching various other bucks parade in and out of the baited field or road we've been watching, just dosen't do anything for me. But hey! That's just me. Now I'm not saying I'm against legitimate ranch hunting or baiting or hunting from a heated blind, if that's how a person likes to hunt, neither am I against a rancher making a honest living. Fenced in Game Ranch hunting just dosen't appeal to me personally. kyray
UgashikBob
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Kray:
I feel extremely priviliged to live in an area where you can still do the entire hunt on your own if so inclined. Times are a changing and that was the reason for my comment. You are right about some areas requiring a guide for nonresidents. Alaska now requires a guide for nonresidents hunting bear, sheep, goat and I believe Muskox. All brought about by the hunting industry under the guise of safety etc. If you took money out of the equation it would change things. My concern is if you look at hunting from a historical perspective and see where it came from and the direction it is headed you will understand my concern. People profiting from hunting have brought about the no tresspassing signs, the game farms etc and it appears to be a trend that is expanding.
I would like to see Boone & Crockett or Safariclub have a seperate catergory for do it yourself hunters instead of lumping them in with people who purchased hunts. There are varying degrees of contribution to a guided hunt by a hunter and there are times where a true hunter is only in that position to satisfy legal requiremets brought about by the people who profit from it. Being next to a former hunting lodge I have seen a lot of the other side of the coin where everything but pulling the trigger was provided to a client that was no more a hunter than I am a brain surgeon but yet goes home and represents himself as one. I truly wish these kind of people had the opportunity to experience the reward of knowing you had done it all yourself and not purchased the experience.
Glad we can discuss this without offending each other as it is a delicate subject. My goal was not to offend people but to point out a trend I would like to see changed and some of the reasons why I see things the way I do.
I feel extremely priviliged to live in an area where you can still do the entire hunt on your own if so inclined. Times are a changing and that was the reason for my comment. You are right about some areas requiring a guide for nonresidents. Alaska now requires a guide for nonresidents hunting bear, sheep, goat and I believe Muskox. All brought about by the hunting industry under the guise of safety etc. If you took money out of the equation it would change things. My concern is if you look at hunting from a historical perspective and see where it came from and the direction it is headed you will understand my concern. People profiting from hunting have brought about the no tresspassing signs, the game farms etc and it appears to be a trend that is expanding.
I would like to see Boone & Crockett or Safariclub have a seperate catergory for do it yourself hunters instead of lumping them in with people who purchased hunts. There are varying degrees of contribution to a guided hunt by a hunter and there are times where a true hunter is only in that position to satisfy legal requiremets brought about by the people who profit from it. Being next to a former hunting lodge I have seen a lot of the other side of the coin where everything but pulling the trigger was provided to a client that was no more a hunter than I am a brain surgeon but yet goes home and represents himself as one. I truly wish these kind of people had the opportunity to experience the reward of knowing you had done it all yourself and not purchased the experience.
Glad we can discuss this without offending each other as it is a delicate subject. My goal was not to offend people but to point out a trend I would like to see changed and some of the reasons why I see things the way I do.
Hey! I'm with you Bob, but the truth is, it probably ain't gonna happen. This sport which you and I love so much is fueled by money, which is good as well as bad. Hunters dollars have brought back species such as the wild turkey and elk right here in my state of Kentucky, as well as other states through out the US. Back in the early seventies here, a deer track was cause for celebration and many long hours of faithful stand hunting. The thought of herds of deer, elk and flocks of wild turkey roming the Bluegrass and Eastern Hills were just dreams I had after reading the latest Outdoor Life magazine.
On the other hand, it's getting hard to even read a decent article on hunting without being overwhelmed or interupted by advertisers plying their wares.
Your right Bob, the money factor in hunting is getting totally out of hand. What it costs for an average big game hunt is getting ridulacous and is beyond what the average working man can afford. The do-it-yourself hunt is looking better all the time to me. They may require more time, but the reward of having done it on your own is well worth the sacrifice. My buddy, T Harris and I have such a hunt already planned for Alaska next year. We're really looking forward to it. We've both had some experience with such hunts and are already carefully planning our future adventure. Keep after em Bob! kyray
On the other hand, it's getting hard to even read a decent article on hunting without being overwhelmed or interupted by advertisers plying their wares.
Your right Bob, the money factor in hunting is getting totally out of hand. What it costs for an average big game hunt is getting ridulacous and is beyond what the average working man can afford. The do-it-yourself hunt is looking better all the time to me. They may require more time, but the reward of having done it on your own is well worth the sacrifice. My buddy, T Harris and I have such a hunt already planned for Alaska next year. We're really looking forward to it. We've both had some experience with such hunts and are already carefully planning our future adventure. Keep after em Bob! kyray