Democrats (Teachers) Behaving Badly

NM Leon

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Fire every one of those that walked off. There's plenty of teachers looking for work.


Editorial: It's A Mad, Mad Madison World

Labor: Unionized Wisconsin teachers should be ashamed of their response to legislation that would end their privilege to bargain collectively. And if such lousy behavior continues, they should be relieved of their duties.

The Wisconsin government is in a financial hole, operating with a $137 million deficit for the current fiscal year ending June 30. Its future is filled with bigger deficits, projected to be as large as $3.6 billion.

One way to cut into the shortfall is to end the public employee unions' collective bargaining privilege that has landed them the generous salaries and benefits the taxpayers are struggling to pay.

Doing what voters elected him to do, new Republican Gov. Scott Walker introduced a bill last week that would strip nonfederal government workers in Wisconsin of their collective bargaining license and require them to contribute more to their benefits package.

Public school teachers, who would not be the only public employees affected, responded as if they took their cues from their students. They marched like spoiled entitlement queens on the Capitol in Madison and threw a tantrum, leaving behind trash and tarnished images that someone else has to clean up.

The teachers are so incensed that 40% of the 2,600 of them who are in the Madison collective bargaining unit cut class Wednesday to demonstrate.

This prompted school officials to cancel classes Wednesday and again Thursday, which is cheating students — and taxpayers — out of two days of learning.

But this is all about the kids, right? Isn't that why some teachers even took students with them to protest, as one student so eloquently put it, "whatever this dude is doing"?

The media are labeling Walker's plan to cut costs bold and aggressive, which it is. It is also overdue.

But it is not extreme, as one poorly informed college-student protester claimed.

If the governor's proposal becomes law, public employees would have to pay half of their pension contributions and at least 12.6% of their health care insurance premiums. Overall, their costs would go up by 8%.

Considering that private-sector workers who aren't protected by favorable laws have been hit much harder, that's a modest impact. It is not, as Barack Obama, president of the United States — not president of the local union hall — has suggested, "an assault on unions."

And it's a much better outcome than layoffs, which will come in the thousands if not tens of thousands if the legislation doesn't become law.

Teachers belong in classrooms, not in mass protests. The only teaching they can do at demonstrations is to show their students how not to act.

Some protesters have chanted "Recall Walker now," but it's the teachers, not the governor, who should be losing their jobs if they refuse to perform them.


Public employees should NOT have collective bargaining rights. Even FDR opposed them, saying:

“[a] strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to obstruct the operations of government until their demands are satisfied. Such action looking toward the paralysis of government by those who have sworn to support it is unthinkable and intolerable.”

Too bad the teacher's union didn't get the message.
 
And surprise surprise!!


DNC Caught Organizing Wisconsin Protests

The Democratic National Committee's Organizing for America arm -- the remnant of the 2008 Obama campaign -- is playing an active role in organizing protests against Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's attempt to strip most public employees of collective bargaining rights.

OfA, as the campaign group is known, has been criticized at times for staying out of local issues like same-sex marraige, but it's riding to the aide of the public sector unions who hoping to persuade some Republican legislators to oppose Walker's plan. And while Obama may have his difference with teachers unions, OfA's engagement with the fight -- and Obama's own clear stance against Walker -- mean that he's remaining loyal to key Democratic Party allies at what is, for them, a very dangerous moment.

OfA Wisconsin's field efforts include filling buses and building turnout for the rallies this week in Madison, organizing 15 rapid response phone banks urging supporters to call their state legislators, and working on planning and producing rallies, a Democratic Party official in Washington said.

The @OFA_WI twitter account has published 54 tweets promoting the rallies, which the group has also plugged on its blog.
 
FDR was talking about strikes. It's illegal in Wisconsin for teachers to strike. There has been no strike in Wisconsin.
 
Originally Posted By: jeffoFDR was talking about strikes. It's illegal in Wisconsin for teachers to strike. There has been no strike in Wisconsin.

A mass call-in by teachers,under Wisconsin's state laws,is an illegal strike. This is going to get interesting.
 
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Collective bargaining in private industry means the union sits across the table and negotiates with corporate management. Both sides have a dog in the fight. The union because they are trying to get money (wages or benefits), and the corporation because they are trying to retain profits and stay competitive in the marketplace.

Collective bargaining in the public sphere means the unions have a dog in the fight (wages and benefits), but the negotiators from the other side (local, state, fed government) do NOT have a dog in the fight. They don't have to compete in the marketplace for the monies they are negotiating with, they just raise tax rates to meet revenue requirements.

To make the basic concept of public unions even more screwy, unions can and do make political donations to the very people they then sit across the table from and "negotiate" with, so that the only loser at the table is the taxpayer.

This particular taxpayer has had (more than) enough of the game.
 
An addiction for sure...

Did they think this great reccession was not going to touch them? I heard one element they are upset about is having to put 12% towards their benefits...gee I wish I had that obligation...I contribute 50% to my medical/dental benefits.

Prepare for more of this BS elsewhere and the DOTUS to stir the pot.

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Why do we the people have to pay for these Public union members insurance and retirement for life?
while I have to pay for my own insurance and retirement?
 
It will be interesting. Wait and see what this governor has in store for the private sector. Those who are singing his praises now will be crying foul when he unveils his new budget.
 
Originally Posted By: NM LeonFire every one of those that walked off. There's plenty of teachers looking for work.


Editorial: It's A Mad, Mad Madison World

Labor: Unionized Wisconsin teachers should be ashamed of their response to legislation that would end their privilege to bargain collectively. And if such lousy behavior continues, they should be relieved of their duties.

The Wisconsin government is in a financial hole, operating with a $137 million deficit for the current fiscal year ending June 30. Its future is filled with bigger deficits, projected to be as large as $3.6 billion.

One way to cut into the shortfall is to end the public employee unions' collective bargaining privilege that has landed them the generous salaries and benefits the taxpayers are struggling to pay.

Doing what voters elected him to do, new Republican Gov. Scott Walker introduced a bill last week that would strip nonfederal government workers in Wisconsin of their collective bargaining license and require them to contribute more to their benefits package.

Public school teachers, who would not be the only public employees affected, responded as if they took their cues from their students. They marched like spoiled entitlement queens on the Capitol in Madison and threw a tantrum, leaving behind trash and tarnished images that someone else has to clean up.

The teachers are so incensed that 40% of the 2,600 of them who are in the Madison collective bargaining unit cut class Wednesday to demonstrate.

This prompted school officials to cancel classes Wednesday and again Thursday, which is cheating students — and taxpayers — out of two days of learning.

But this is all about the kids, right? Isn't that why some teachers even took students with them to protest, as one student so eloquently put it, "whatever this dude is doing"?

The media are labeling Walker's plan to cut costs bold and aggressive, which it is. It is also overdue.

But it is not extreme, as one poorly informed college-student protester claimed.

If the governor's proposal becomes law, public employees would have to pay half of their pension contributions and at least 12.6% of their health care insurance premiums. Overall, their costs would go up by 8%.

Considering that private-sector workers who aren't protected by favorable laws have been hit much harder, that's a modest impact. It is not, as Barack Obama, president of the United States — not president of the local union hall — has suggested, "an assault on unions."

And it's a much better outcome than layoffs, which will come in the thousands if not tens of thousands if the legislation doesn't become law.

Teachers belong in classrooms, not in mass protests. The only teaching they can do at demonstrations is to show their students how not to act.

Some protesters have chanted "Recall Walker now," but it's the teachers, not the governor, who should be losing their jobs if they refuse to perform them.


Public employees should NOT have collective bargaining rights. Even FDR opposed them, saying:

“[a] strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to obstruct the operations of government until their demands are satisfied. Such action looking toward the paralysis of government by those who have sworn to support it is unthinkable and intolerable.”

Too bad the teacher's union didn't get the message.






It's called the 1st amendment. For someone so gung-ho on the constitution and American rights I'm surprised you take exception to this.
 
Originally Posted By: NM LeonCollective bargaining in private industry means the union sits across the table and negotiates with corporate management. Both sides have a dog in the fight. The union because they are trying to get money (wages or benefits), and the corporation because they are trying to retain profits and stay competitive in the marketplace.

Collective bargaining in the public sphere means the unions have a dog in the fight (wages and benefits), but the negotiators from the other side (local, state, fed government) do NOT have a dog in the fight. They don't have to compete in the marketplace for the monies they are negotiating with, they just raise tax rates to meet revenue requirements.

To make the basic concept of public unions even more screwy, unions can and do make political donations to the very people they then sit across the table from and "negotiate" with, so that the only loser at the table is the taxpayer.

This particular taxpayer has had (more than) enough of the game.



Have you ever been involved in collective bargaining in the public sphere? Have you ever been a public school teacher? Are you speaking from experience here or just spewing diatribe? I've been there. I've been in the trenches for 24 years, teaching kids parents are glad to get out of the house. Maybe I'm not a typical teacher, I don't know, but if you are getting your information from the media or the crap floating around on the internet, you haven't got a clue what it's really like or how it works. You of all people should know that.
 
Quote:Because that's the path you chose.

No, that's the path that a guy elected with union funding "negotiated" for us non-government union taxpayers. What's wrong with this picture?




Quote:It will be interesting. Wait and see what this governor has in store for the private sector. Those who are singing his praises now will be crying foul when he unveils his new budget.

Those of us in the private sector understand the economic reality that we are BROKE!! What we decry is that in addition to the pain we are going to endure to fix the situation, there are greedy government unions who are in large part the cause of our troubles wanting us non-government taxpayers to continue to carry them on our backs.

The voters finally woke up and spoke last NOV, saying..."NO MORE!!"




Quote:It's called the 1st amendment. For someone so gung-ho on the constitution and American rights I'm surprised you take exception to this.

The 1st amendment doesn't give you the right to abrogate your contract and walk off the job. It dang sure doesn't give you the right to drag my child to your protest.

The penalty for illegally walking off a job is/should be... you get fired. Then you can exercise your 1st amendment rights on the capitol steps to your hearts content.

I think (hope) that you government union folks are about to come to the realization that you have lived off of the backs of the rest of us too long and that your collective greed has killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
 
Originally Posted By: NM LeonQuote:Because that's the path you chose.

No, that's the path that a guy elected with union funding "negotiated" for us non-government union taxpayers. What's wrong with this picture?

If you're talking about Walker the teachers unions did not endorse him. That's why he's retaliating.


Quote:It will be interesting. Wait and see what this governor has in store for the private sector. Those who are singing his praises now will be crying foul when he unveils his new budget.

Those of us in the private sector understand the economic reality that we are BROKE!!

Lot's of rich teachers, are there?

What we decry is that in addition to the pain we are going to endure to fix the situation, there are greedy government unions who are in large part the cause of our troubles wanting us non-government taxpayers to continue to carry them on our backs.

The voters finally woke up and spoke last NOV, saying..."NO MORE!!"




Quote:It's called the 1st amendment. For someone so gung-ho on the constitution and American rights I'm surprised you take exception to this.

The 1st amendment doesn't give you the right to abrogate your contract and walk off the job. It dang sure doesn't give you the right to drag my child to your protest.

The penalty for illegally walking off a job is/should be... you get fired. Then you can exercise your 1st amendment rights on the capitol steps to your hearts content.


No one illegally walked off his/her job.

I think (hope) that you government union folks are about to come to the realization that you have lived off of the backs of the rest of us too long and that your collective greed has killed the goose that laid the golden egg.

So, essentially, you're saying that teachers don't earn their pay? Is your problem with teachers or with unions? You've never really been clear on that.
 
There is both the upside and downside of unions. Unions, as most of us know, came into existence because of the abuses of workers by capitalists. Later, unions became the bad guy due to well-publicized corruption (illegal capitalism) AND too many unions just became dues collectors and couldn't really care less about helping its members. The members of the various unions in modern-day Wisconsin are not corrupt or useless. They are honorable - looking out for their middleclass members. Bottom line: If government needs more money, don't take it from the middleclass who cannot afford the loss. Take it from the wealthy - they can afford it easily.
 
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