Difference Between V-Max and Z-Max Bullets
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midwestpredator
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Originally Posted By: BrayOriginally Posted By: Tbone-AZ
I just wish i had them in Afghanistan.
Yep. I don't know why we still follow the stupid GC rules out there.
if the libs had their way you would prob be lucky to get rubber bullets and bean bags!
I just wish i had them in Afghanistan.
Yep. I don't know why we still follow the stupid GC rules out there.
if the libs had their way you would prob be lucky to get rubber bullets and bean bags!
mark85304
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I sent a message to Hornady asking the difference between the V-Max and Z-Max bullets. Here's the response I received/
"Mark, thank you for your inquiry. The V-max and Z-max bullets are the same, except for the color of the polymer tip. The A-max and Match are our match grade bullets. Thank you"
So there we have it straight from the horse's mouth.
This is as I suspected, but verification is good to have.
"Mark, thank you for your inquiry. The V-max and Z-max bullets are the same, except for the color of the polymer tip. The A-max and Match are our match grade bullets. Thank you"
So there we have it straight from the horse's mouth.
This is as I suspected, but verification is good to have.
Widow maker 223
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If they are the same why is the jacket thicker??? The z max jacket looks like the A max.
midwestpredator
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Originally Posted By: mark85304I sent a message to Hornady asking the difference between the V-Max and Z-Max bullets. Here's the response I received/
"Mark, thank you for your inquiry. The V-max and Z-max bullets are the same, except for the color of the polymer tip. The A-max and Match are our match grade bullets. Thank you"
So there we have it straight from the horse's mouth.
This is as I suspected, but verification is good to have.
They told me the same story. Pictures tell a diff story though.
"Mark, thank you for your inquiry. The V-max and Z-max bullets are the same, except for the color of the polymer tip. The A-max and Match are our match grade bullets. Thank you"
So there we have it straight from the horse's mouth.
This is as I suspected, but verification is good to have.
They told me the same story. Pictures tell a diff story though.
Originally Posted By: Widow maker 223If they are the same why is the jacket thicker??? The z max jacket looks like the A max.
I've seen pix of cutaways where it looked to be the other way around. I think the way the things are cut apart/ground down, etc. has an effect on how much jacket thickness we think we are seeing on the cut edges, ie, I think the jackets "stretch/pull" sometimes, or not so much, and appear to be thicker or thinner depending on how the person cutting it away does it and what tool is used. I see no reason for Hornady to lie about it. Shoot and be happy.
I've seen pix of cutaways where it looked to be the other way around. I think the way the things are cut apart/ground down, etc. has an effect on how much jacket thickness we think we are seeing on the cut edges, ie, I think the jackets "stretch/pull" sometimes, or not so much, and appear to be thicker or thinner depending on how the person cutting it away does it and what tool is used. I see no reason for Hornady to lie about it. Shoot and be happy.
jarheadhunter
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About $18 per 500 difference.
biggen0_8
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Originally Posted By: Mike BOriginally Posted By: Widow maker 223If they are the same why is the jacket thicker??? The z max jacket looks like the A max.
I've seen pix of cutaways where it looked to be the other way around. I think the way the things are cut apart/ground down, etc. has an effect on how much jacket thickness we think we are seeing on the cut edges, ie, I think the jackets "stretch/pull" sometimes, or not so much, and appear to be thicker or thinner depending on how the person cutting it away does it and what tool is used. I see no reason for Hornady to lie about it. Shoot and be happy.
Most likely the reason the pictures contradict the description is because, the people who take pictures and build websites and print magazines don't know squat about the product.
I used to have to work with a publication company everytime our company put out a new catalog. It was a nightmare. As familar as I was with the product we still had to have a couple of us proof read the catalog to make sure the pics matched the text.
I've seen pix of cutaways where it looked to be the other way around. I think the way the things are cut apart/ground down, etc. has an effect on how much jacket thickness we think we are seeing on the cut edges, ie, I think the jackets "stretch/pull" sometimes, or not so much, and appear to be thicker or thinner depending on how the person cutting it away does it and what tool is used. I see no reason for Hornady to lie about it. Shoot and be happy.
Most likely the reason the pictures contradict the description is because, the people who take pictures and build websites and print magazines don't know squat about the product.
I used to have to work with a publication company everytime our company put out a new catalog. It was a nightmare. As familar as I was with the product we still had to have a couple of us proof read the catalog to make sure the pics matched the text.
midwestpredator
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a simple ballistics gel test may show a difference if any also.
Lights
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If I could at work. Which I can't right now. I would like to pull the plastic tips of each style V and Z-max and cut them in a wire EDM. A wire EDM does not create any cutting forces or friction. So it would not burr the copper over and into the lead. That would tell the true story on them.
Widow maker 223
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Both those bullets were sectioned length wise so the jacket over lapping the lead would be minimal.
midwestpredator
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The pics look pretty much de-burred to me. Someone send them to hoenady and see what they say.
CallingArkansas
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Had a bushmaster varminter that shot lights out with the factory loaded 55 gr Zmax. They definitely shot tighter groups in that gun vs 53 gr Vmax. A crack head decided he liked that gun more than I did so I just purchased a new CA 15 3 Gun in .223 Wylde with an 18" Cabon Fiber Match barrel. It also shots tighter groups with the 55 gr Zmax factory loads.
ohihunter2014
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I called Hornady last week and they said its the same exact bullet the only difference is the tip and that i should have no accuracy or performace on game issues if using the v max vs z max
coyotezapper
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I think that its obvious that calling Hornady is not the answer here. From the picture it is obvious they are 2 completely different bullets.
Also, the Z-Max bullets have been out a few years now. I have had a 500 count box of 17 cal 20 grain sitting on my shelf for years - I'm thinking 2012.
Also, the Z-Max bullets have been out a few years now. I have had a 500 count box of 17 cal 20 grain sitting on my shelf for years - I'm thinking 2012.
You can't inform whether a Vmax and Zmax are the same thing by posting a picture of two completely different bullets.
Go to Midway and look at the 50gr Zmax and Vmax. Both are boat tail, no canneluere. They are exactly the same externally. I've bought large quantities of both and seen this with my own eyes. I've mixed them in a mag and shot them into the same group at 300 yards. I've smacked a couple hundred prairie dogs with each and cannot discern any difference in terminal (splat) performance.
This has been discussed here before, with the pics to illustrate:
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2678122
Go to Midway and look at the 50gr Zmax and Vmax. Both are boat tail, no canneluere. They are exactly the same externally. I've bought large quantities of both and seen this with my own eyes. I've mixed them in a mag and shot them into the same group at 300 yards. I've smacked a couple hundred prairie dogs with each and cannot discern any difference in terminal (splat) performance.
This has been discussed here before, with the pics to illustrate:
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2678122
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Acronin
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I have had no consistency between the .204" 32gr Vmax and Zmax. The Vmax will shoot 1/2-3/4 MOA where the Zmax will sometimes shoot 3/4 MOA but will shoot as large as 1-1/2 MOA.
Maybe I received a bad batch, but I thought they were the same so I bought 500 of them. I shot 1/2 of them and sold the rest. I think they are seconds, personally.
Maybe I received a bad batch, but I thought they were the same so I bought 500 of them. I shot 1/2 of them and sold the rest. I think they are seconds, personally.