Originally Posted By: Plant.Onei never said you were using an AR-10 platform, just astounded by your claim, irregardless of the platform. your post sure read like you were alluding to being able to produce 3½ GROUPS. the paragraph above you were discussing vertical dispersion - then you switched to discussing groups.
I see your point. Sorry for the confusion.
Quote:Another thing, a good group at 100 yds doesn't always translate to a good one at longer ranges. I've had 1 hole loads at 100 that came apart at 600. When I got the 600 load down to 1 1/2" it shot 3 1/2" at 1000 but about an inch at 100.
Quote: what makes it doubly unusual is as most of the world records have been set not with a .308 but with one of the 6mm variants out there. and you're doing it with what most serious competition shooters would consider a "inferior" bullet no less. Red boxes seem almost taboo in the serious bench rest world.
I understand that. But what I've come to realize is this drive for tighter and tighter groups is leading to more and more reliance on gadgets and equipment and less and less on developing the skill of the individual shooter. By doing so, they're loosing sight of what can actually be done with "inferior" equipment.
That target I shot was from prone, off a bipod and a rear bag with a 16x scope shooting at a 4" spot on white paper.
Oh, one other thing that I have to grin at about conventional "wisdom", I'm using a 22" bbl and pushing a 178 gr bullet at 2693 fps with no pressure signs. Most F/TR guys think you need a long barrel to get that speed.
Quote:i also tend to be suspicious of any target with tape over any of the holes - but that's a personal bias based on many targets i've seen posted online .... many many many of which turned out to be bogus.
Understood. But why not be suspicious of the claim of 1000 yds? There is certainly no way to verify that. No offense taken at the suspicion, by the way. It's reasonable. All I can say is I don't dispense BS. As for the tape. There were 3 of us testing that day. We taped over previous shooter's hits after recording the results. Just to avoid confusion.
Quote: according to the measuring tape shown in the picture you gave us (used as a refernce mesasurement point) - OnTarget says the vertical on that was ~3.765 (center to center) and a 4.584" max spread for a 0.438 MOA group @1000 yds.
[beeep]! That was better than I thought. I think I'll keep that load!
Quote: let me say this - if i was in your shoes and able to shoot like that, you couldn't keep me away from BR style competition. You'd be cleaning up in all but national matches, and quite likely even there.
I appreciate that, Plant.One.
Like I said, BR shooting doesn't hold any interest for me. The challenge is hitting moving steel at 400+ yds, 3" at 600, a "know your limits" target at 400, shooting from different positions under time and round limit, having to range your target, knowing the dope for your load; that sort of thing.
Thanks for the comments.
