Does bullet diameter matter…..

Absolutely it matters! Speed kills but so does larger and slower. Sometimes it does it better. My example is the new .25-45 Sharps bolt gun I’m using this year. Larger and slower , and never mind the parent 223 , it carries more energy out to distance than even the mid weight 22-250 loads. It has been a very effective thumper for me this year!
 
"….anymore? Everyone trying to kill everything with a 22 Creed."
I have 3, 22 Creeds trust in this
I ain't trying

But having said that ! I have a pile of 55 GR Berger in .204 and just took reception of 1000
40 Gr Vmax in ,204 Ill be going smaller and faster !
 
Bullet diameter means very little if the bullet used is ups to the task and the operator puts it where it belongs. I shoot 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, 6.5mm regularly and they do their job.
 
LONEHOWL said:
….anymore? Everyone trying to kill everything with a 22 Creed.
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It does to me! I guess I'm just old school and haven't jumped into the "modern cartridge" arena. I don't live or hunt in a state that requires 800 yard shots on field mice, nor do I feel like I have anything to prove by killing a Bull moose with a 17hmr.

204 R and 243 Win rounds are my goto's for coyotes and I stick heavily to my trusty 308's for deer and the possibility of a black bear. If I'm hunting deer thick and tight I love my old Ruger 44 Carbine as well!

I wouldn't hesitate to use my 243 on deer at all BTW. I would just select a different bullet than I sling at coyotes.

Don't get me wrong, I am not anyone to knock what anyone else shoots. There's a lot of capable rounds, and capable shooters out there that prove these things time and again are possible and effective. The downside is when that second half of the equation is less than capable. It often leads to some animal suffering more than necessary and/or becoming coyote and vulture turds.
 
That philosophy might be more common than you first think. I’m of the same school except substitute .270 for .308 and 30/30 for 44 carbine.

I do have a Wyoming 800 yard field mouse hunt on my bucket list though. Working up some 6.5 creed loads for that trip. hunt, I’ve got to pass thru your area on the drive out. I’ll let you know when and if you’re free….
 
hunt0168 said:
It does to me! I guess I'm just old school and haven't jumped into the "modern cartridge" arena. I don't live or hunt in a state that requires 800 yard shots on field mice, nor do I feel like I have anything to prove by killing a Bull moose with a 17hmr.

204 R and 243 Win rounds are my goto's for coyotes and I stick heavily to my trusty 308's for deer and the possibility of a black bear. If I'm hunting deer thick and tight I love my old Ruger 44 Carbine as well!

I wouldn't hesitate to use my 243 on deer at all BTW. I would just select a different bullet than I sling at coyotes.

Don't get me wrong, I am not anyone to knock what anyone else shoots. There's a lot of capable rounds, and capable shooters out there that prove these things time and again are possible and effective. The downside is when that second half of the equation is less than capable. It often leads to some animal suffering more than necessary and/or becoming coyote and vulture turds.
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Amen.Amen,Amen!

Like you I do not want to knock others,however I don't get the heavy for caliber craze. I am older (65) and have watched this develop over the years. Back in the DAY we had a varmint rifle,a 22,and a deer rifle. That worked damn good. A 243 was the dividing line I see no point to giving up speed to send a heavier bullet. And the it's almost as fast as argument,to me is well to put it nicely is just STUPID. In addition it negates the excuse to the "I have to have another gun for" argument.

I grew up when they where taking the 7x57 to Africa to kill everything including elephant. How did we get to the point of needing 7MM Winmag to shoot a 120 lb doe at 100 yards? I own a 30-06 Remington 742 that belonged to my uncle, he bought it new in 1958,unless you enjoy toting a bruised shoulder around for 2 weeks I do not recommend it! It is plenty gun enough to kill anything on this planet!

Now with all that said I do get the concept for long range competition type stuff.
 
Don_P said:
That philosophy might be more common than you first think. I’m of the same school except substitute .270 for .308 and 30/30 for 44 carbine.

I do have a Wyoming 800 yard field mouse hunt on my bucket list though. Working up some 6.5 creed loads for that trip. hunt, I’ve got to pass thru your area on the drive out. I’ll let you know when and if you’re free….
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Good luck, Don_P... Just make sure you're good and practiced up with that 6.5 Creed buddy. If you end up tracking that squeaking beast into thick cover you're probably going to need backup!
 
Its nice to hear that not everyone thinks the crapmore is the best elk round available out to 800 yards.
In a perfect world where the animal never moves, the wind never blows, broadside shots are all that are seen, and the animal is 100 yards from your benchrest, small bullets work great.
 
Match the RIGHT bullet for the task at hand.
Any bullet will kill punched through the lungs on a broadside shot.
Don't take much.

I've learned for coyotes, step up to a heavier construction bullet. While calling and multiples come in, sure, that first one facing you straight on or broadside will be easy with a vmax.22 cal. But when the others scatter and you gotta shoot em up the pooper running away, heavy constructed will win everytime.
My all time favorite for shooting straight on,broadside (called in)coyotes is a .17_.204 shooting Nagels 30 grain bullets. Absolutely pile drives them.
However, they don't have enough heft for reliable straight away shots.
Also, love shooting my .243 with 70 blitzkings. Kills straight on/ broadside shots great. Straight away runners, hit/ miss. Knocks m down but not often keeps em down. Follow ups shots are common.

For OVERALL coyotes, straight on,broadside, and runners straight away, or any angle, my 22_250 shooting Sierra Game King 55s soft points hammers them from any angle.
I've lost out on some serious tournament $$ shooting coyotes with bullets not matched up to all scenarios.

If I could have only one rifle for the rest of my life, it would be an accurate 250 and shoot a well constructed bullet.
 
I'm in the bullet construction camp, more than bullet diameter or weight.

Take a raw chicken egg and a golf ball. They are about the same diameter and weight. Have someone throw each one at your head. What are the results?

Let's up the anty- take a raw goose egg and the golf ball. If you had to choose to get hit in the head with one of them, which do you choose?

How about a raw ostrich egg vs. a golf ball?
 
K22-hornet said:
How about a raw ostrich egg vs. a golf ball?
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Maybe be little quick on the feet, when you grabbing some of them Ostrich Eggs to throw.
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