Don't like how I hunt, huh?

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B!tch all you want but high fences are here to stay and there has NEVER been a case of CWD here in Texas. If you want to pay a rancher money to shoot a cow then do it and if you want to go to the store and by your hambuger then do that. If you want to hunt a high fence then do it and if you want to hunt free range then do it.
 
where do you all get your hamburger from? do you go out and hunt it in the wild or does someone walk out to the pen and wack it in the head?
if ur style is to hunt behind a fence great your choice to do so i personally dont i hunt in the adirondack mountains millions of acers of wild land but also that is my choice as a hunter
 
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We do not have to agree with each other and our metheds but we need to stick together. If game farms are the cause of so many things regulate them do not do away with them.



AHA!!! a revelation!!!
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Ok im usually a pretty laid back kinda guy, but I do have one question for Nunya. Please try to not get too riled up, and full of piss and vinigar. The 240lb wild hog I killed this weekend with a knife, is that fair chase/ethical??? I didn't climb a mountain, or speend a week camping out. Just wondering.
 
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where do you all get your hamburger from? do you go out and hunt it in the wild or does someone walk out to the pen and wack it in the head?
if ur style is to hunt behind a fence great your choice to do so i personally dont i hunt in the adirondack mountains millions of acers of wild land but also that is my choice as a hunter



I have never heard anyone going to the store call it HUNTING!!! If people want to raise elk, deer or whatever as livestock there is nothing wrong with that; BUT...... do not try and pass off the shooting of livestock as 'hunting' which it is not!!!
 
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Ok im usually a pretty laid back kinda guy, but I do have one question for Nunya. Please try to not get too riled up, and full of piss and vinigar. The 240lb wild hog I killed this weekend with a knife, is that fair chase/ethical??? I didn't climb a mountain, or speend a week camping out. Just wondering.



Of course hunting with dogs and knives isn't fair chase. You have several dogs hanging off the hog holding him for you while you stick him with a knife. If it was fair chase then you would do it on your own and we all know how that would turn out, you would lose. (Don't take that as I'm against hound hunting because I too enjoy hunting hogs with hounds) The same goes for hunting with high-powered rifles and scopes, like the one Nonya uses. Look guys, it isn't supposed to be fair. Our goal is to kill the animal, not keep from violating their civil rights. Whether you kill them with a knife, club, bomb, trap, bow, or rifle, the ultimate goal is the same. That is to kill them, graveyard-dead. As long as it's legal, knock yourself out. The American Indian is the undisputed king of hunters. I think everyone can agree with that. They used horses to herd elk and bison into box canyons and off of cliffs to slaughter them by the hundreds. How does that fit into the "fair chase" argument? Do you think they cared if the animal died quickly or not? No. They put as many arrows into an animal as they could until it fell dead.

As far as the game fence debate goes, we need to get clarify something. There are ranches, in Texas, that are bigger than Rhode Island and have high fences on them. Is that a pen? Is that game farm? I don't think so. Would I hunt them? No. But some people do. So what? There are also high fences in Texas on properties that are only a few hundred acres. These I would consider a "game farm" or "pen". Is that hunting? Well, by definition it is. The "hunters" are taking a weapon and "hunting" down an animal to kill it. So what? Would I do it? No. I think the question here everyone is arguing about is should game fences be allowed? If it's private property, I say do what you want. If you want the government controlling what we do with our private land, move to China. I hear they are pretty good at that.

This is America. Don't tread on me!
 
This place is one I hunted. It has a high fence. The fence is just on the other side of those two mountains. Behind me it is about 6 miles to the other perimeter fence.
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Poor animals didn't have a chance. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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Closest fence in the second picture was at least 10 miles away. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Pro hunt, 4100fps, nonya, NorthernWY, Loony, EastCoastHunter, eaglerock

Since I have not had anyone take the opportunity to answer my questions could you address them.

I need to know were you stand on these issues so I can see if it is things you do not do that you want outlawed or just hunting in general.
 
Just so you know where I am coming from. I think Montana did not need Elk game farms or High fences nor does Colorado we have plenty of elk and deer but that does not mean we should say it has no value anywhere.
 
1). You'd half to ask the Dept. of Game in Texas or the Dept. of Livestock.
2).No
3).No
4). Occasionally have a nice beef steak, that wasn't killed on a game farm.
5). We don't have gates other than gated roads, I don't walk gated roads. This number doesnt apply to me.
6). Are you kidding.
7).No.
8). Range finder.
9). We stand to loose more if we stand with game farms.
10). Yes I get what your trying to tie here. My point is I believe we're more apt to hurt ourselves by embracing game farms than by doing the right things. Do you get my point?
We did do away with the canned hunt scenario in Montana, and the transfer of the permit to raise elk and deer as livestock. In Montana or any state where wild elk live game farms are to big a risk to allow. Get it!
 
I shot an elk behind a high fence once. I stuck the barrel of a .30-30 through the fence for the shot. She sure was tasty!!! Sure glad it wasn't illegal. I don't think I could have chased her down and killed her with my bare hands.

I got to thinking about this thread. I believe my next step will be to try to outlaw fishing in Minnesota. If you think about it, it's really a lot like canned hunts. People breed the fish in a hatchery and then release them into a lake for the purpose of people coming to catch them! The poor fishies can't get away either because the banks and shores of the lake act just like a fence. Yup, I have to work to that crap outlawed!

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R Buker, lets just work on getting all types of hunting and fishing outlawed. I think we could get 4100fps and his buddies to help with that. What do you think?
 
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Yes I get what your trying to tie here. My point is I believe we're more apt to hurt ourselves by embracing game farms than by doing the right things. Do you get my point?



The right thing for you and the Anti's or the right thing for those that do not want to see our hunting ability chiped away one method/Species at a time?

What is good for you in Montana and me in Colorado may not be good for other states. This is the problem with your logic in my mind.

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We did do away with the canned hunt scenario in Montana, and the transfer of the permit to raise elk and deer as livestock. In Montana or any state where wild elk live game farms are to big a risk to allow. Get it!



You should probable shut down
Fish farms they can/are causing and spreading wurling disease.
Poultry farms they can\are causing and spreading bird flu
Pig farms they can\are causing and spreading swine feaver.
Cattle farms they can\are causing and spreading madcow.
What else can we get rid of because PETA thinks it is bad.
 
Nonya, and 4100fps I have one more question.

In years when you are having a bad winter do you feed your wild elk herd like Colorado and Wyoming do?
 
I found an interesting article online last night (should have bookmarked it, I'll try to find it again).
The writer went on and on about the "cretins" that hunt cougar with dogs as if he was a full-fledged PETA member.
At the end of the article, it states that the author likes to go deer-hunting. He was from Montana, too.
Maybe it was Nonya, 4100fps, or one of their hunting buddies?

(edited to correct; he made reference to hunters that hunt with hounds as being "cretins", not heathens. He then went on to include varmint hunters)
 
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I find it strange that a post meant to unite, is dividing.



The division was already there. The post just brought it to light.
Hopefully when it's all said and done, some good will come of it.
 
GWH, in answer to your questions:

1. You would have to contact the state authorities in Texas to find out their experience with CWD.. I wonder if they would give out the whole truthful answer - Gov'ts can be secretive. If they had no issues, they certainly must of feared the possibility of some since they stopped the importation of deer into the state. Also, I know of other jurisdictions where they even outlawed the use of deer scents because they generally come from game farms and they were concerned about the possible spread of prions. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

2. No
3. No
4. Of course! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
5. Generally walk 3 miles or so, but when I was younger a 6 mile hike was not uncommon during a days hunting.
6. Don't eat Yotes, Coons, or PD --- Deer definately.
7. No
8. No
9. Of course we want to preserve things. Our different points of view have come about because we perceive game farming and canned hunts to be threats to wildlife and hunting in general. I'm sorry "the you must support things that you don't believe in line" holds no water with me. In fact, what does it say about a man's character if he goes along with what he believes to be wrong for his own (possible) gain? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

Remember ... To Thy Own Self Be True /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
 
Texas has NEVER had a case of CWD.


http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/diseases/cwd/

CWD is known to infect free-ranging deer and elk in areas of Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, South Dakota, Utah, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Illinois, New York, West Virginia, and Saskatchewan. It has been diagnosed in deer and elk in game ranches in Colorado, Nebraska, South Dakota, Montana, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Kansas, New York, and in the Canadian provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan.

TPWD has been conducting surveys of hunter-kill animals since 2002 and has collected more than 7300 samples (as of 31 August 2005). In total, there have been over 9400 samples, both hunter-kill and private samples, tested in Texas to date, and no positives have been found.
 
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I don't doubt what your saying Courgus ... Hopefully they won't have any cases, but just because they haven't yet (that have come to the authorities attention) doesn't mean that they won't in the future.

Tell me, would you at least agree that their ban on importation of animals was put in place to protect their herds from possible outside contamination? If you won't conceed this point, then why do you think they banned importation?

Why are other jurisdictions banning the use of scents?
 
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