Eastern Coyotes VS Western Coyotes

getemduck

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Boy I have been away from this forum for some time, life happened and time got away. But to the point. I moved from western nebraska back to my home state of west virginia about a year ago. Any coyote hunting has not been the same. in western nebraska and north eastern colorado dogs loved to come to the call a bad morning would be three dogs and a good morning would be 6 or more. Seems the eastern dogs don't like the same tricks I used out west. how do you eastern boys hunt these dogs? I use my foxpro and an assortment of hand calls mostly customs bought on the board here. and so far i have struck out with calling.

i have seen three or four around the house, I know they are there.

Thanks
 
Eastern coyotes have an accent!!!

Sorry, I had to. If you don't get your answer here try the calling in the East forum. Good luck.
 
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maybe I need to switch to blowin' on a whiskey jug and strummin' a banjo..........do they make them sounds fur da foxy pro?


I think I might try switching my sounds and playing them softer, with all these trees I have to remember I am hunting closer dogs the the wide open fields of nebraska.
 
IMHO, eastern coyotes are a lot harder. One reason is we don't have the population density they do out west. Heartworms keep the population down around here. Secondly, eastern coyotes tend to be pack animals to a much greater extent than their western counterparts. This makes them harder to call, as you more frequently have to convince multiple minds to come your way. They tend to prey on larger animals (ie deer) to a greater extent than western yotes, and they are larger themselves. They are also not nearly as vocal as western coyotes. Around here, you very rarely hear them during daylight hours. I don't think vocals work nearly as well in the east.

Gerry Parker's book "Eastern Coyote: The Story of Its Success" is a treasure trove of information on the eastern coyote.
 
Eastern coyotes are definitely harder to kill consistently. Around my areas...a lot of guys using hounds. A big reason I hunt at night.
 

Originally Posted By: KizmoIMHO, eastern coyotes are a lot harder. One reason is we don't have the population density they do out west. Heartworms keep the population down around here. Secondly, eastern coyotes tend to be pack animals to a much greater extent than their western counterparts. This makes them harder to call, as you more frequently have to convince multiple minds to come your way. They tend to prey on larger animals (ie deer) to a greater extent than western yotes, and they are larger themselves. They are also not nearly as vocal as western coyotes. Around here, you very rarely hear them during daylight hours. I don't think vocals work nearly as well in the east.

Gerry Parker's book "Eastern Coyote: The Story of Its Success" is a treasure trove of information on the eastern coyote.

Well said Kiz. I have hunted both and I can say that it was very refreshing to have called in New Mexico and Arizona where the coyotes just seemed to keep on coming and from such great distances. It just doesn't happen that way in the east. My tactics here in the east basically are no different than out west. But finding a calling spot here in the mountains is not easy.

I will also add that so much of the terrain in the east is thick, heavily forested and steep. That makes for some very tough hunting just to get into. Finding a good setup location is sometimes almost impossible due to the terrain and the wind, whereas out west a guy can generally get the wind in his favor. That's hard to do when your proper wind location is down a hollow where the coyotes will most likely come up out of of when called. It's tough.

One other point is this - out west a guy generally has large expanses of land to hunt. He can drive a short distance and setup again, whereas in the east, at least where I live, I can spend most of my time driving and maybe only be able to make one or two stands an evening. I have to walk into tough places once I get there too. Most of the land here is owned in small partials, so getting permission is one thing and then finding the right area to call is yet another.

I have permission on several pieces of land that for all practical purposes, just isn't huntable.

I have often wondered just how many coyotes I may have called that I never saw, due to the deepness of hollows, of the thickness of woods, thickets etc.

 
of all the coyotes I have killed i have never called one into a meadow or field it is woods here or nothing, and you better be ready, and prepared for the long haul. I have had response times as short as 10 seconds, and as long as 3 hrs. as for the wind i have seen it blow a flag all 4 directions within a half hour. the other day I was going out a road that had been flagged for a pipeline, with flags straight across from each other and about 18 feet apart. one flag was blowing west, one flag was blowing east. I went home. wv is tuffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff.
 
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My best season (last season) I called in a total of 28 here in michigan. That beat the previous season by 2.
My .02 is they are harder around here because
1) not near the population density
2) cover is a factor. .they have more here and are more reluctant to break it generally, and they will use it to circle the call and you may not see them if your not set up right, and sometimes even if you are.
3) not sure I buy the group thing. .I've called in both groups and singles. More singles than groups.
4) they are well fed. Between deer, rabbits, rodents, fowl and pets they eat good. Especially after deer season. I have had them completely ignore animal distress calls, come to find out the property owner next door had been feeding them dead cattle and i didn't know it.
5) I think they are more wary. I say that because of the population of farmers and deer hunters that regularly shot at every one they see.
I feel i am getting the knack of it finally. And my calling numbers shown it. Last season i called in more than the guys running them with dogs got.
it's definitely a challenge.
I have never hunted them out west and hope to some day
 
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Totally agree with Rotty.

I enjoy watching the predator TV shows that are mostly western coyotes, but for the most part they just show everything that almost never happen in the east. Coyotes running in through wide open fields and then standing still to get shot. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have it happen here, but it doesn't.

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Agreed with what everyone has said above, I think population density is the biggest factor between east/west. I'm a born & raised eastern guy and have never hunted out west so I don't have any boots on the ground experience out there, Abner has a great podcast with Brian Downs where he answers alot of east/west questions.

I'll tell you what i'm dieing to try my same techniques i've devolved in the east out west. Just curious to see how much higher the percentages are. Dry stands are the norm around here, western guys would probably give up after one weekend. Hardly anyone films here, there's a reason for that.
 
Originally Posted By: LARUEminati Dry stands are the norm around here, western guys would probably give up after one weekend. Hardly anyone films here, there's a reason for that.

You ain't just whistlin' Dixie. If I tried to make a Georgia coyote DVD, I'd forget that was what I was trying to do by the time I got enough footage.

It would be neat to watch me age on video, though. Kind of like a coyote hunting video version of the movie Boyhood...
 
Richard Baxter (screen name CCP) made an excellent eastern coyote hunting video years ago. I "think" it was filmed in Georgia. The video was titled EasternCoyotes.com Vol. I. The website is still up, I don't know if the video is still available or not. If not that's a shame as the video is an excellent instructional video complete with maps depicting the set up and how it relates to wind direction, cover and topography and where the coyotes are expected to be when the caller begins the stand. A lot of people could benefit from that video. Rich doesn't come around here much anymore but he's a good guy and understands how to kill coyotes and proves it by actually doing so.

Another eastern video was made by Brent Saxton and called Predators, Hunting in the East; Back to Basics Pt. 1. I think that was filmed in Ohio and West Virginia if memory serves me correctly. I doubt that is available now, Brent sorta faded away for one reason or another. It wasn't as comprehensive as Rich's video but worth a watch for a new or confused predator hunter.

Byron South made another, though it was filmed in East Texas and many felt it wasn't truly representative of eastern conditions. Byron countered with the idea that thick cover was thick cover wherever it was found. His video was titled "Calling the Thick Stuff." It might still be available, I don't know but Byron could be contacted for more information.
 
Yeah, I've got Richard Baxter's and Byron's videos. Both of them are good. Will check out the middle one.

I would definitely rather hunt Texas thick cover than Georgia thick cover.
 
out west you have less cover, especially where you are talking about. There are places in the desert that have thick cover and it's a lot harder to hunt them there.

They can spot you and leave before you realize it. They are there, just busting you..

We also have area's where the food is really good, and you can blow rabbit all day and see nothing.

I think your challenges are that you have limited ground, dense cover and Coyotes that don't want to leave that cover. Lastly you have other pressure.

Take all that into account, I hunted out in Virginia, and its harder, but like dating, you have to adjust your game and style to match the desires of the locals.

try sitting in the middle of the openings and looking at the edge of the openings, if their bellies are full, what else will work with calling? play on their social game side, and watch the edges of the openings for faces. Make hay in Sept. and Oct. that is where you are going to see the most action with dispersion. They are going to be cautious and watch you, so hand calling is going to bust you. sitting in an opening up against a hay bale, and the call out infront of me about 25 yrds and upwind a little so that if some energetic coyote shows up and breaks cover will cross right in front of me broadside. Other than that watch for faces to "appear" out of no where.
 
Originally Posted By: KizmoYeah, I've got Richard Baxter's and Byron's videos. Both of them are good. Will check out the middle one.

I would definitely rather hunt Texas thick cover than Georgia thick cover.

For clarity my post wasn't meant to imply anything. Rather a generalized information type thing. I have Saxton's video if you can't find a copy let me know and I'll send it to you for viewing. Last I had heard Rich had been shooting video for a follow up DVD but that was years ago so I guess it fell through the cracks. We used to talk some on the phone but I haven't heard from Rich in years now. Same for Byron, couldn't tell ya what is going on with him anymore. A lot of the old guard left this place and I've lost touch with some guys I considered friends back then. There was actually another eastern video planned that never came to fruition. A northern film maker shot some video with a friend of mine in Virginia, and I think he went down the coast into the Carolina's for more video. He was scheduled to come here and shoot some in the Ozark's but some personal issues for him came up and he never finished his video. Same for a guy in Florida, he shot video there and was supposed to make a swing along the south and end up here to complete an eastern predator hunting video but he quit the project for several reasons. No doubt getting good video and enough video is a challenge in dense cover.
 
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